Airline Routes....

george wrote:
On Jul 29, 10:22 pm, "Brownz \(Mobile\)"
wrote:
Is there a website / map that shows what *actual* route BA fly
BA0287 from LHR - SFO ?
Just interested in what I'll be flying over !!

--
Cheerz - Brownz
'89 K100RS
'53 JCW MCS (Cage)http://www.brownz.org/

Of course the route depends on the weather and the head winds. One
time I had one of my most interesting flights ever. We flew over the
Outer Hebrides, Iceland, central Greenland (the black cliffs which
look like bites have been taken out of them and the contrasting strong
pure white snow is excellent, and it's interesting to see how clouds
are not white but pale gray when compared to the Ice Cap), across
Disco Bay, Greenland, the Canadian arctic islands, and then along the
canadian Rockies in Alberta crossing into the US at Idaho (a fairly
small target!) and then down the coast with every snow capped volcano
in sight from the Canadian border on south. Much more interesting
than routes further south, although the ice pack off of the tip of
southern Greenland can be interesting if you've never seen it before.
It was almost enough to get me to give up aisle seats!!!!


Heh, when I fly I've always got to have a window seat, can't stand being
stuck in an aisle.

Just what I'm used to I suppose.


--
Cheerz - Brownz
'89 K100RS
'53 JCW MCS (Cage)
http://www.brownz.org/

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george wrote:
On Jul 29, 10:22 pm, "Brownz \(Mobile\)"
wrote:
Is there a website / map that shows what *actual* route BA fly
BA0287 from LHR - SFO ?
Just interested in what I'll be flying over !!

--
Cheerz - Brownz
'89 K100RS
'53 JCW MCS (Cage)http://www.brownz.org/

Of course the route depends on the weather and the head winds. One
time I had one of my most interesting flights ever. We flew over the
Outer Hebrides, Iceland, central Greenland (the black cliffs which
look like bites have been taken out of them and the contrasting strong
pure white snow is excellent, and it's interesting to see how clouds
are not white but pale gray when compared to the Ice Cap), across
Disco Bay, Greenland, the Canadian arctic islands, and then along the
canadian Rockies in Alberta crossing into the US at Idaho (a fairly
small target!) and then down the coast with every snow capped volcano
in sight from the Canadian border on south. Much more interesting
than routes further south, although the ice pack off of the tip of
southern Greenland can be interesting if you've never seen it before.
It was almost enough to get me to give up aisle seats!!!!


Heh, when I fly I've always got to have a window seat, can't stand being
stuck in an aisle.

Just what I'm used to I suppose.


--
Cheerz - Brownz
'89 K100RS
'53 JCW MCS (Cage)
http://www.brownz.org/


You might also be interested in
http://oak.webtrak-lochard.com/template/index.html Although it's for
Oakland you can see the routes into SFO as well. You will probably find
that you will come to a place called Point Reyes (about 30 miles north of
San Francisco) at about 20000ft then drift gently down to about 12000 as you
approach the city. After that things get a bit more interesting as the
plane crosses the airport at about 10000 and then proceeds down the bay
turning round to come back up the bay, across the San Mateo bridge in pretty
short order. The two runways (28L+28R) at SFO are very closely spaced and
there is every chance they will be doing parallel landings with another
aircraft just off your wing. I've never done a different approach although
my wife did once land on 19 coming down over Oakland when her brother was
flying the aircraft.

Departures tend to use the other two runways of the + with two aircraft
(1L+1R) departing in between two arriving aircraft. If you're interested
in that kind of thing drive just south of the airport to Coyote Point, park
up and watch the fun. There's a quite nice museum there too.

On Wed, 30 Jul 2008 18:54:13 +0100, "Graham Harrison"
wrote:


"Brownz (Mobile)" wrote in message
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george wrote:
On Jul 29, 10:22 pm, "Brownz \(Mobile\)"
wrote:
Is there a website / map that shows what *actual* route BA fly
BA0287 from LHR - SFO ?
Just interested in what I'll be flying over !!

You might also be interested in
http://oak.webtrak-lochard.com/template/index.html Although it's for
Oakland you can see the routes into SFO as well. You will probably find
that you will come to a place called Point Reyes (about 30 miles north of
San Francisco) at about 20000ft then drift gently down to about 12000 as you
approach the city. After that things get a bit more interesting as the
plane crosses the airport at about 10000 and then proceeds down the bay
turning round to come back up the bay, across the San Mateo bridge in pretty
short order. The two runways (28L+28R) at SFO are very closely spaced and
there is every chance they will be doing parallel landings with another
aircraft just off your wing. I've never done a different approach although
my wife did once land on 19 coming down over Oakland when her brother was
flying the aircraft.


if you're interested in the overall route, get a globe and a
peice of string and pull the string taut between SFO and LHR.
This is he great circle route and the one the pilots will try to
approximate as closely as practical.

If you fly SFO-LHR in the summer, and since BA has an evening
departure, an oddity is that as you begin the main part of the
flight the sun is low off the west wing of the plane as sunset
approaches. The sun remains off the left wing for the rest of the
flight until you get to England the next morning, where it
remains off the left wing, but it is now rising.

--
************* DAVE HATUNEN ) *************
* Tucson Arizona, out where the cacti grow *
* My typos & mispellings are intentional copyright traps *

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"Brownz (Mobile)" wrote in message
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george wrote:
On Jul 29, 10:22 pm, "Brownz \(Mobile\)"
wrote:
Is there a website / map that shows what *actual* route BA fly
BA0287 from LHR - SFO ?
Just interested in what I'll be flying over !!

--
Cheerz - Brownz
'89 K100RS
'53 JCW MCS (Cage)http://www.brownz.org/

Of course the route depends on the weather and the head winds. One
time I had one of my most interesting flights ever. We flew over the
Outer Hebrides, Iceland, central Greenland (the black cliffs which
look like bites have been taken out of them and the contrasting strong
pure white snow is excellent, and it's interesting to see how clouds
are not white but pale gray when compared to the Ice Cap), across
Disco Bay, Greenland, the Canadian arctic islands, and then along the
canadian Rockies in Alberta crossing into the US at Idaho (a fairly
small target!) and then down the coast with every snow capped volcano
in sight from the Canadian border on south. Much more interesting
than routes further south, although the ice pack off of the tip of
southern Greenland can be interesting if you've never seen it before.
It was almost enough to get me to give up aisle seats!!!!


Heh, when I fly I've always got to have a window seat, can't stand being
stuck in an aisle.

Just what I'm used to I suppose.


--
Cheerz - Brownz
'89 K100RS
'53 JCW MCS (Cage)
http://www.brownz.org/


You might also be interested in
http://oak.webtrak-lochard.com/template/index.html Although it's for
Oakland you can see the routes into SFO as well. You will probably find
that you will come to a place called Point Reyes (about 30 miles north of
San Francisco) at about 20000ft then drift gently down to about 12000 as
you approach the city. After that things get a bit more interesting as
the plane crosses the airport at about 10000 and then proceeds down the
bay turning round to come back up the bay, across the San Mateo bridge in
pretty short order. The two runways (28L+28R) at SFO are very closely
spaced and there is every chance they will be doing parallel landings with
another aircraft just off your wing. I've never done a different
approach although my wife did once land on 19 coming down over Oakland
when her brother was flying the aircraft.

Departures tend to use the other two runways of the + with two aircraft
(1L+1R) departing in between two arriving aircraft. If you're interested
in that kind of thing drive just south of the airport to Coyote Point,
park up and watch the fun. There's a quite nice museum there too.

If you access the webtrak site and choose replay, rather than live in the
bottom right then set the date to yesterday (29th) and the time to 1610
you'll see where the 287 went yesterday. You might want to set the replay
speed up a bit.

Graham Harrison wrote:
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george wrote:
On Jul 29, 10:22 pm, "Brownz \(Mobile\)"
wrote:
Is there a website / map that shows what *actual* route BA fly
BA0287 from LHR - SFO ?
Just interested in what I'll be flying over !!


Of course the route depends on the weather and the head winds. One
time I had one of my most interesting flights ever. We flew over
the Outer Hebrides, Iceland, central Greenland (the black cliffs
which look like bites have been taken out of them and the
contrasting strong pure white snow is excellent, and it's
interesting to see how clouds are not white but pale gray when
compared to the Ice Cap), across Disco Bay, Greenland, the
Canadian arctic islands, and then along the canadian Rockies in
Alberta crossing into the US at Idaho (a fairly small target!) and
then down the coast with every snow capped volcano in sight from
the Canadian border on south. Much more interesting than routes
further south, although the ice pack off of the tip of southern
Greenland can be interesting if you've never seen it before. It
was almost enough to get me to give up aisle seats!!!!

Heh, when I fly I've always got to have a window seat, can't stand
being stuck in an aisle.

Just what I'm used to I suppose.


You might also be interested in
http://oak.webtrak-lochard.com/template/index.html Although it's
for Oakland you can see the routes into SFO as well. You will
probably find that you will come to a place called Point Reyes
(about 30 miles north of San Francisco) at about 20000ft then drift
gently down to about 12000 as you approach the city. After that
things get a bit more interesting as the plane crosses the airport
at about 10000 and then proceeds down the bay turning round to come
back up the bay, across the San Mateo bridge in pretty short order. The
two runways (28L+28R) at SFO are very closely spaced and there
is every chance they will be doing parallel landings with another
aircraft just off your wing. I've never done a different approach
although my wife did once land on 19 coming down over Oakland when
her brother was flying the aircraft. Departures tend to use the other two
runways of the + with two
aircraft (1L+1R) departing in between two arriving aircraft. If
you're interested in that kind of thing drive just south of the
airport to Coyote Point, park up and watch the fun. There's a
quite nice museum there too.

If you access the webtrak site and choose replay, rather than live in
the bottom right then set the date to yesterday (29th) and the time
to 1610 you'll see where the 287 went yesterday. You might want to
set the replay speed up a bit.

Cool. Busy bit of airspace !

--
Cheerz - Brownz
'89 K100RS
'53 JCW MCS (Cage)
http://www.brownz.org/

Brownz (Mobile) wrote:
Is there a website / map that shows what *actual* route BA fly BA0287 from
LHR - SFO ?
Just interested in what I'll be flying over !!

http://flightaware.com/live/findflight/EGLL/KSFO will show the flight
routes most recently flown. You may need assistance decoding the acribic
route codes. Right now the flights are heading way up over Northern
Canada to avoid the jetstreams and low pressure areas. Alternatively,
doesn't the onboard flight info have a moving map between the movies?
And BTW, for the best view of Greenland and BAffin Island, sit on the RH
side on the flight to SFO. That way, you'll upset the people watching
the movies less when you open the window blind, and not have the sun in
your face.

On Wed, 30 Jul 2008 22:56:27 +0300, (Henry)
wrote:

Hatunen wrote:

if you're interested in the overall route, get a globe and a
peice of string and pull the string taut between SFO and LHR.
This is he great circle route and the one the pilots will try to
approximate as closely as practical.

Or, join the computer age and go to

http://gc.kls2.com/

and let the computer pull the string for you.

I obviously misspoke in another post; the path goes over
southern, not northern, Greenland. It's all white, all looksa
same.

Keep in mind, though, that the great circle shortest route is rarely the
actual route flown, due to weather, traffic and geopolitical concerns.

There aren't many geopolitical concerns between SFO and LHR. I
don't believe the flight even passes over Eire.

I've made the flight back and forth about six times and it's
always been the same. The flight seems to be high enough that
weather isn't a big consideration. And there are very few direct
flights from SFO to the UK, so traffic isn't a big consideration
except in the Bay Area and approaching the British Isles.


--
************* DAVE HATUNEN ) *************
* Tucson Arizona, out where the cacti grow *
* My typos & mispellings are intentional copyright traps *

On Thu, 31 Jul 2008 06:56:36 +0300, (Henry)
wrote:

Hatunen wrote:

(Henry) wrote:

Keep in mind, though, that the great circle shortest route is rarely the
actual route flown, due to weather, traffic and geopolitical concerns.

I've made the flight back and forth about six times and it's
always been the same.

It's more likely, in fact, that no two of your six flights back and
forth between SFO and LHR have ever been exactly 'the same'.

Well, hell, no two things are *exactly* the same. What's your
point here?

Given the speed of the big jets and the great distance involved in such
a flight, even a minor course correction implemented for whatever reason
here or there along the route can take the airplane significantly off
the perfect great circle path, as the flight tracker to which Graham
Harrison links earlier in this thread clearly shows.

Which is why I said in my first post:

"This is the great circle route and the one the pilots will try
to approximate as closely as practical."

--
************* DAVE HATUNEN ) *************
* Tucson Arizona, out where the cacti grow *
* My typos & mispellings are intentional copyright traps *

On Jul 30, 10:00*pm, Tom P wrote:
Brownz (Mobile) wrote:
Is there a website / map that shows what *actual* route BA fly BA0287 from
LHR - SFO ?
Just interested in what I'll be flying over !!

http://flightaware.com/live/findflight/EGLL/KSFOwill show the flight
routes most recently flown. You may need assistance decoding the acribic
route codes. *Right now the flights are heading way up over Northern
Canada to avoid the jetstreams and low pressure areas. Alternatively,
doesn't the onboard flight info have a moving map between the movies?
And BTW, for the best view of Greenland and BAffin Island, sit on the RH
side on the flight to SFO. That way, you'll upset the people watching
the movies less when you open the window blind, and not have the sun in
your face.

The view from the right hand side is certainly the best, that way you
will see all of the Cascade volcanoes if that far west.

It's amazing that people would choose to watch a possibly bad movie
they wouldn't even rent for less than a $1 than look out the window at
the magnificent scenery. People pay hundreds of dollars for flight-
seeing, and here you're given as good for no additional cost!

George

On Jul 30, 7:42*pm, "Brownz \(Mobile\)"
wrote:
george wrote:
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It was almost enough to get me to give up aisle seats!!!!

Heh, when I fly I've always got to have a window seat, can't stand being
stuck in an aisle.

Just what I'm used to I suppose.

The aisle seat with the legs extended into the aisle beats the other
alternative, chopping off your legs to fit!

George