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![]() "-hh" wrote in message ... In general, use good prevention techniques of tucking in pants legs, putting protective stuff on clothing, etc, to minimize the actual amount of skin in contact with DEET, and then plan your application times to allign with times of higher exposure risk (dawn, dusk, etc). ----------------------------------------- If all you're doing is sitting on a beach then fine. If you are on a city break then walking about with your pant tucked into your socks may just cause some hilarity. -- William Black I've seen things you people wouldn't believe. Barbeques on fire by the chalets past the castle headland I watched the gift shops glitter in the darkness off the Newborough gate All these moments will be lost in time, like icecream on the beach Time for tea. |
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On Mon, 4 Feb 2008 06:44:53 -0800 (PST), -hh
wrote: "William Black" wrote: Malaria medication can have some nasty side-effects, =A0especially if taken for longer than eight weeks or so. Plus they each have their trade-offs. FWIW, one of them (I forget which: its the one that is one pill per week) has a side effect warning of "vivid dreams" ... this is a polite way of saying "nightmares". I've taken this stuff, and I found that my balance was off on the day after taking it (got less bad over time). In India I find that decent anti-insect discipline... ...and rub on DEET (about 30% works, =A0anything over 50% irritates my skin) about an hour before dusk if going out of doors. DEET is a known carcinogen, so it is wise to limit your exposure instead of bathing in the stuff. This means to be aware of both how many hours/day its on your skin, as well as the concentration level in use. Not in humans it hasn't though Alan has a medical condition so he should see his doctor and discuss DEET and its particular use in his case. |
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during my travels in W. Africa I found that DEET 28% (muskol
pump-non-aerosol) worked best.. you should carry non-aerosol if possible, I found out the hard way and had all my spray cans confiscated by the airport authority.. also I found that a good citrus based lotion worked well also.. For most of the trip, I used straight lemon rind, you just rub it on your skin... that works great and you don't really smell. That is what most of the locals did. There is no total prevention of Malaria.. you can still get it if you follow what people say.. the pills however will make the symptoms more bearable. (know this personally).. After your trip... if you feel sick like a flu or cold, go to the doc asap and demand a test for Malaria.. If you are going to Egypt in Feb, Mar. the Malaria risk is low. same with Jordan and the Yucatan (cancun or Mayan Riviera) your major risk will be Thailand, Cambodia, Inda and maybe the Yucatan (depending on where your going) If you are NOT back packing up country or hanging out in the jungle sleeping in tents, your risk is lower. If you are with a tour group, staying in resorts etc.. your risk is lower. If you have immune problems, you should also take a cortisone cream with you for other bug bites, I found this extremly useful when I got huge welts and unidentifiable marks/rashes on my body and other topical skin conditions. -- Don't tell me how educated you are, tell me how much you have traveled. www.globosapiens.net/ta-shy " A Mate" wrote in message u... Oops - I meant chloroquine resistant strains of malaria!! " A Mate" wrote in message u... Doxycycline is the most efficient and reliable pharmaceutical malaria prophylactic. Effective against chloroquine malarial strain etc. Cheap too. Some cautions. If buying outside Australia - be sure it is within its expiry date (It can become toxic, and cause liver damage if it very old). Some 3% of users suffer enhanced sensitivity to sunburn when taking doxy - so use extra sunscreen as a cautionary measure. You take 1 x 100mg tablet daily, from 1 day before exposure to 4 weeks after last exposure. It's best taken at about the same time every day (I always take it with breakfast), after food, or with food. Do not lie down for 30 minutes after taking - as it can cause reflux with some people. It is the anti-malarial of choice for the ADF; and recognised as very effective by the CDC in Atlanta - but for some reason rarely prescribed in the UK for this purpose. Big Trip - must be a few 'looong' weeks. Take Care. "Alan S" wrote in message ... Hi All I'm going on a trip which will include Thailand, Cambodia, India, Jordan, Egypt and Yucatan in a few weeks. I will be doing the normal prophylaxis for malaria. I have to be fairly careful with a shaky immune system. I would appreciate suggestions on the most effective rub-on or spray-on mosquito repellents for daily personal use. Preferably one that doesn't also repel those who sit next to me in buses and which doesn't make me appear to be covered in baby oil and which is likely to be available in those countries if replenishment is needed. I'll be talking to my doc on medication prophylaxis, but any thoughts on that would also be appreciated. Cheers, Alan, Australia -- http://loraltravel.blogspot.com/ latest: Slovenia |
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John Kulp wrote:
-hh wrote: DEET is a known carcinogen... Not in humans it hasn't ... And it never will be tested appropriately in humans to prove it, because that would be unethical medical research. -hh |
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"Alfred Molon" schrieb
The Autan they sell here in Germany blocks mosquitoes 100%. To my experience in SE Asia: yes, correct. Other travellers told me: doesn't work at all for me! My experience: Koh Samed, maybe 4 years ago Around 5:30PM I sprayed all bare skin with Autan, shortly after I went outside, in front of the bungalow. Moskitoes swirled all around me in large numbers (on Samed they eat you alive at certain times of day!), but none of them actually sat down and tried sucking my blood. Maybe the travellers with negative experiences for Autan didn't apply enough or left out some places on their skin... who knows. Much, much more efficient than what I have been able to find in south east Asia. Well, "Sketolene" sold in Thailand does the job very well too. Comparable to Autan IMHO. IIRC it has about 15...20% DEET. My experience is that with the Autan (sold in Germany) mosquitoes do not sting me. Maybe it's the same with Autan bought in other countries. My bottle of Autan (bought in Germany) contains 20% of the active agent (not DEET). AFAIK the Autan agent was developed in comparison to DEET and it was said that the new agent was even a bit (some %) more effective than DEET. To summarize my experience: Either Autan or DEET will do their job quite good. Look out for high % of the active agent. A minimum of 15...20% should work for you. Spray generously. Better one pumping too much than one too little. Spray each cm² of your uncovered skin. Whats not sprayed thats not protected. BTW: if you're outside, maybe bungalow in the evening: get Moskito Coils. To my experience they work too. cu, Thomas |
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Alfred Molon wrote: In article , Alan S says... I would appreciate suggestions on the most effective rub-on or spray-on mosquito repellents for daily personal use. Preferably one that doesn't also repel those who sit next to me in buses and which doesn't make me appear to be covered in baby oil and which is likely to be available in those countries if replenishment is needed. The Autan they sell here in Germany blocks mosquitoes 100%. Much, much more efficient than what I have been able to find in south east Asia. My experience is that with the Autan (sold in Germany) mosquitoes do not sting me. That's true, provided that you cover every mm of your skin. However, it's a bite repellant not an insect repellant as such. When we were in Austria, that was the one everyone recommended. So we went to Marchauen-Marchegg slathered in Autan. Right enough, we didn't get bitten there, but every time we stopped, they got into our mouths, behind our glasses, into our ears, generally swarmed around us all the time. Meaning we had to frog-march the whole 7 km without seeing anything at all. :-( Slainte Liz -- http://www.v-liz.com - Kenya; Tanzania; Namibia; India; Galapagos |
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On Mon, 4 Feb 2008 06:44:53 -0800 (PST), -hh
wrote: DEET is a known carcinogen Could you support that please? I'm not being smart; that's a genuine request. I have CLL and hypogammaglobulinemia, so I would appreciate any links you may have supporting that. I did do some searching on Google Scholar http://tinyurl.com/27nqgy Medline http://tinyurl.com/26pqe2 and Highwire http://tinyurl.com/yvylwl but found no clear support. There were some problems noticed in rats, mice and dogs but no indication of human problems. That is also one of the reasons I'm taking the dangers from Mosquito bites in the tropics very seriously. But I'll still travel:-) I bought a tube of 80% Bushman's yesterday to try it. Rubbed a tiny amount on my forearms. Possibly it's purely coincidental that today I have gastro problems. Possibly not. Cheers, Alan, Australia -- http://loraltravel.blogspot.com/ latest: Slovenia |
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On Mon, 04 Feb 2008 17:17:37 GMT, "Tashi"
wrote: during my travels in W. Africa I found that DEET 28% (muskol pump-non-aerosol) worked best.. you should carry non-aerosol if possible, I found out the hard way and had all my spray cans confiscated by the airport authority.. also I found that a good citrus based lotion worked well also.. For most of the trip, I used straight lemon rind, you just rub it on your skin... that works great and you don't really smell. That is what most of the locals did. There is no total prevention of Malaria.. you can still get it if you follow what people say.. the pills however will make the symptoms more bearable. (know this personally).. After your trip... if you feel sick like a flu or cold, go to the doc asap and demand a test for Malaria.. If you are going to Egypt in Feb, Mar. Mar 25-Apr2 the Malaria risk is low. same with Jordan Mar 22-25 and the Yucatan (cancun or Mayan Riviera) Apr 12-17 your major risk will be Thailand, Cambodia, Mar 6-13 Inda Mar 15-22 and maybe the Yucatan (depending on where your going) If you are NOT back packing up country or hanging out in the jungle sleeping in tents, your risk is lower. I'll be 61 mate, my tent days are behind me; three star at least:-) If you are with a tour group, staying in resorts etc.. your risk is lower. Nope, travelling alone or with a guide apart from the Nile Cruise in Egypt. If you have immune problems, you should also take a cortisone cream with you for other bug bites, I found this extremly useful when I got huge welts and unidentifiable marks/rashes on my body and other topical skin conditions. Thanks, hadn't thought of that. I'll check it out. Cheers, Alan, Australia -- http://loraltravel.blogspot.com/ latest: Slovenia |
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On Tue, 05 Feb 2008 10:57:12 +1100, Alan S wrote:
On Mon, 4 Feb 2008 06:44:53 -0800 (PST), -hh wrote: DEET is a known carcinogen It's not in humans. The US military uses it routinely and would certainly know if it was. You still should check it out with your doctor, though, given your conditions in case it interacts with medicine you're taking. Could you support that please? I'm not being smart; that's a genuine request. I have CLL and hypogammaglobulinemia, so I would appreciate any links you may have supporting that. I did do some searching on Google Scholar http://tinyurl.com/27nqgy Medline http://tinyurl.com/26pqe2 and Highwire http://tinyurl.com/yvylwl but found no clear support. There were some problems noticed in rats, mice and dogs but no indication of human problems. That is also one of the reasons I'm taking the dangers from Mosquito bites in the tropics very seriously. But I'll still travel:-) I bought a tube of 80% Bushman's yesterday to try it. Rubbed a tiny amount on my forearms. Possibly it's purely coincidental that today I have gastro problems. Possibly not. Cheers, Alan, Australia -- http://loraltravel.blogspot.com/ latest: Slovenia |
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