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Southwest announces initial six PHL routes
Bruce Davis muttered....
Wow!! Major pain for US Airways!! I never would have thought that WN would have made such an obvious strategic move to cut off US Airways at their knees from day one. Providence and Chicago I would have predicted, however, I would have assumed they would leave it at four cities--perhaps St. Louis and either Houston or Nashville for the other two. The long range Florida and West Coast routes will be relatively low yield compared to Chicago and Providence, but the strategy is interesting. This is the first acknowledgement by WN that Jet Blue "exists." The statement that WN is making is that US Airways is all but dead and they want to pre-empt Jet Blue in cheap long range operations. Jet Blue is almost invisible in size compared to WN at this time, but they obviously see the limited success that Jet Blue has had in long range operations and they want to outdo their tiny competitor. WN's 737-700s can fly high, fast and cheap--much cheaper than anyone else. It will be interesting to see how WN's agressive tactics will play out in PHL. Interestingly, it's my understanding from comments by a consulting accountant that WN actually has greater gross profits from some of its current long distance routes with more modest load factors than from some of its high load short hauls. PHL/Vegas is a natural, also providing "hub" service to the West Coast, and PHL/MDW would be time and equipment competitive. Then there's WN's market experience, the statistics which have convinced WN that business travelers will "surface" commute from a 100 + mile radious for dependable consistently priced service to their destinations. WN's BWI pax are not all Ballmerians or doing bidness downtown. Last week, I had to find a substitute trainer for a meeting near RDU on 3 days notice. My best available sub was in Sherman Oaks, CA, convenient to BUR. WN had 3 alternatives in and two out, all one stops thru PHX, Vegas or one other city, $299 RT, cheaper and easier than any convenient alternatives (all of which involved one or more of LA's other area airports, none as easy access) to come and/or go. TMO |
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Southwest announces initial six PHL routes
Could this bring the end of US Airways?
"D.F. Manno" wrote in message ... In article , Kelly wrote: "D.F. Manno" wrote: \They're following Associated Press style. The AP Stylebook says that "The norms that influenced the selection [of cities that do not require state names] were the population of the city, the population of its metropolitan region, the frequency of the cityıs appearance in the news, the uniqueness of its name, and experience that has shown the name to be almost synonymous with the state or nation where it is located." This is the same "Stylebook" that considers "innocent" to be not only equal to "not guilty" but preferred to it. 1) It's been changed in the most recent version of the Stylebook. 2) There was a real reason for it in the days of telegraphy and "hot type" typesetting. The word "not" was easily dropped in transmission or during typesetting (or on some occasions changed to "now"), an error that could lead to a libel suit. -- D.F. Manno "They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety." (Benjamin Franklin) |
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Southwest announces initial six PHL routes
Olivers wrote in message ...
PHL/Vegas is a natural, also providing "hub" service to the West Coast, and PHL/MDW would be time and equipment competitive. The LAS service will also help make up for the loss of N7. |
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Southwest announces initial six PHL routes
My first thought:
I'm confused by the reference to WN. I assume that Southwest's two-letter code is SW, so who is WN? My conclusion: I'm a VERY infrequent flyer, and I've pretty much figured out that WN is Southwest, but I can't for the life of me figure out why they are WN and not SW. I guess it's because someone else was SW, or the airline had an old name that suggested the initials WN. Bruce Davis wrote: Wow!! Major pain for US Airways!! I never would have thought that WN would have made such an obvious strategic move to cut off US Airways at their knees from day one. Providence and Chicago I would have predicted, however, I would have assumed they would leave it at four cities--perhaps St. Louis and either Houston or Nashville for the other two. The long range Florida and West Coast routes will be relatively low yield compared to Chicago and Providence, but the strategy is interesting. This is the first acknowledgement by WN that Jet Blue "exists." The statement that WN is making is that US Airways is all but dead and they want to pre-empt Jet Blue in cheap long range operations. Jet Blue is almost invisible in size compared to WN at this time, but they obviously see the limited success that Jet Blue has had in long range operations and they want to outdo their tiny competitor. WN's 737-700s can fly high, fast and cheap--much cheaper than anyone else. It will be interesting to see how WN's agressive tactics will play out in PHL. -- Please note my correct email address: rslitman [at-sign] infionline [dot] net |
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Southwest announces initial six PHL routes
Regina Litman wrote: My first thought: I'm confused by the reference to WN. I assume that Southwest's two-letter code is SW, so who is WN? My conclusion: I'm a VERY infrequent flyer, and I've pretty much figured out that WN is Southwest, but I can't for the life of me figure out why they are WN and not SW. I guess it's because someone else was SW, or the airline had an old name that suggested the initials WN. IATA (International Air Transport Association) uses two letter codes, and the IATA code for Southwest Airlines is WN. I believe SW is Air Namibia. Reservation systems uses IATA codes, which is why the general public can become familiar with them. ICAO uses three letter codes, SWA is the Southwest Airlines ICAO code. (This is what would be on the flight plan before the flight number). |
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Southwest announces initial six PHL routes
Southwest generally operates from airports without delay problems. I've
been watching PHL this fall on http://www.fly.faa.gov/flyfaa/usmap.jsp and it seems to have almost as many periods of delay as ORD / ATL / EWR / LGA. I'd think this would give WN some worries - but maybe they've figured a way to schedule their aircraft so the PHL delays won't ripple through their whole system. |
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Southwest announces initial six PHL routes
R J Carpenter wrote:
Southwest generally operates from airports without delay problems. I've been watching PHL this fall on http://www.fly.faa.gov/flyfaa/usmap.jsp and it seems to have almost as many periods of delay as ORD / ATL / EWR / LGA. I'd think this would give WN some worries - but maybe they've figured a way to schedule their aircraft so the PHL delays won't ripple through their whole system. Yes, but those delays usually occur during US Airways's big push times, when more planes are scheduled than the airport/airspace can physically handle. In addtion, I believe WN will use the old TWA gates at the end of terminal E, which minimizes taxi time and needing to wait to move to/from gates. |
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Southwest announces initial six PHL routes
"D.F. Manno" wrote: In article , Kelly wrote: "D.F. Manno" wrote: \They're following Associated Press style. The AP Stylebook says that "The norms that influenced the selection [of cities that do not require state names] were the population of the city, the population of its metropolitan region, the frequency of the cityıs appearance in the news, the uniqueness of its name, and experience that has shown the name to be almost synonymous with the state or nation where it is located." This is the same "Stylebook" that considers "innocent" to be not only equal to "not guilty" but preferred to it. 1) It's been changed in the most recent version of the Stylebook. 2) There was a real reason for it in the days of telegraphy and "hot type" typesetting. The word "not" was easily dropped in transmission or during typesetting (or on some occasions changed to "now"), an error that could lead to a libel suit. A big congradulations go out to Associated Press for getting the scoop that the days of telegraphy are over so that they can update their Stylebook. Perhaps they can run a story to tell the rest of us that telegraphy is over? |
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Southwest announces initial six PHL routes
In article , Kelly wrote:
A big congradulations go out to Associated Press for getting the scoop that the days of telegraphy are over so that they can update their Stylebook. Perhaps they can run a story to tell the rest of us that telegraphy is over? And I suppose there are no outdated/obsolete practices in your company's policy manual? -- D.F. Manno "They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety." (Benjamin Franklin) |
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Southwest announces initial six PHL routes
"D.F. Manno" wrote:
In article , Kelly wrote: A big congradulations go out to Associated Press for getting the scoop that the days of telegraphy are over so that they can update their Stylebook. Perhaps they can run a story to tell the rest of us that telegraphy is over? And I suppose there are no outdated/obsolete practices in your company's policy manual? No. And for the record, I don't run a major press organization to figure these newfangled details like the obsolescence of the telegraph. |
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