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US fingerprint & photograph all foreign visitors except those on visa waiver
On Mon, 05 Jan 2004 20:11:23 -0800, Newby wrote:
Why are we putting all of this effort into airports and doing little to protect our northern and southern borders? Does our government honestly believe that terrorists will only attempt to enter the USA via an airliner? Because it's not doable. And in the end, does it matter? The whole thing is mostly an exercise of politics anyway, isn't it? |
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Newby wrote:
Why are we putting all of this effort into airports and doing little to protect our northern and southern borders? Why don't you all just live in a metal box and cower in fear over all the enemies your gov't has created over the years? Why don't you ask your gov't why citizens of foreign countries have taken it upon themselves to harm, injure, or kill your policy makers and gov't officials (and as a last resort - your fellow citizens)? Why is the United States of America practically the only country in the western world to experience such non-internal threats? Citizens of other (western) countries do not live in such a state of FUD (fear, uncertainty, and dread). They shake their heads and feel sorry for the average US citizen - whom are slowly but surely losing their freedom and economic prosperity over this politically-motivated atmosphere of total security awareness (The Bush admin will surely scare the votes out of the ignorant among you - one way or the other). Fix the problem, not the symptoms. Ask your leaders why others want to inflict harm upon you. Otherwise continue to live in fear and ignorance orchestrated by your politicians and their twisted ideologies. |
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US fingerprint & photograph all foreign visitors except those on visa waiver
"Newby" wrote in message
... "Clark W. Griswold, Jr." 73115 dot 1041 at compuserve dot com wrote in message ... Dick Locke wrote: Does anyone know how this will work? Up to now, someone checking in in Omaha for a trip to an exit airport in, say, San Francisco, has his/her passport checked and visa pulled by the Omaha airline clerk if he or she remembers. Yep. The US has not had exit control up until this point. Right now, there are large holes in the system as only airports and ports have the exit control machines, but land crossing are scheduled to get it over the next year or so. Why are we putting all of this effort into airports and doing little to protect our northern and southern borders? Does our government honestly believe that terrorists will only attempt to enter the USA via an airliner? The government knows that a determined terrorist can easily come into the US via other means. In fact, I don't believe their goal is to prevent terrorists from entering the US. Such a task is virtually impossible. The FBI has an extensive database of known terrorists, suspected terrorists-in-training, and international wanted criminal felons. I believe this is a dragnet to catch those deep Al Qaeda operatives who think they're undercover, as well as dangerous felons entering the country illegally. They've been doing this in Atlanta since November and the system is working fine. In fact, they've caught a bunch of bad guys. |
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US fingerprint & photograph all foreign visitors except those on visa waiver
On Mon, 5 Jan 2004 23:54:32 +0000, Simon Elliott
wrote: Do it to it, Champ! |
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"Newby" wrote:
Why are we putting all of this effort into airports and doing little to protect our northern and southern borders? Does our government honestly believe that terrorists will only attempt to enter the USA via an airliner? Obviously not, but you have to start somewhere. By the end of 2005, both borders will be covered as well. |
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US fingerprint & photograph all foreign visitors except those on visa waiver
"Clark W. Griswold, Jr." 73115 dot 1041 at compuserve dot com wrote in message ... Dick Locke wrote: Does anyone know how this will work? Up to now, someone checking in in Omaha for a trip to an exit airport in, say, San Francisco, has his/her passport checked and visa pulled by the Omaha airline clerk if he or she remembers. Yep. The US has not had exit control up until this point. Right now, there are large holes in the system as only airports and ports have the exit control machines, but land crossing are scheduled to get it over the next year or so. Why are we putting all of this effort into airports and doing little to protect our northern and southern borders? Does our government honestly believe that terrorists will only attempt to enter the USA via an airliner? |
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US fingerprint & photograph all foreign visitors except those on visa waiver
"Fly Guy" wrote in message ...
Newby wrote: Why are we putting all of this effort into airports and doing little to protect our northern and southern borders? Why don't you all just live in a metal box and cower in fear over all the enemies your gov't has created over the years? Why don't you ask your gov't why citizens of foreign countries have taken it upon themselves to harm, injure, or kill your policy makers and gov't officials (and as a last resort - your fellow citizens)? Islamo-fascists haven't made the killing of civilians "last resort". Innocent civilians are their first targets because they are easy to pick off. Why is the United States of America practically the only country in the western world to experience such non-internal threats? Because the US is the largest, most powerful democracy. Right or wrong, we represent the western infidel in their eyes. Citizens of other (western) countries do not live in such a state of FUD (fear, uncertainty, and dread). They shake their heads and feel sorry for the average US citizen - whom are slowly but surely losing their freedom and economic prosperity over this politically-motivated atmosphere of total security awareness (The Bush admin will surely scare the votes out of the ignorant among you - one way or the other). Quoth the ostrich. Fix the problem, not the symptoms. Ask your leaders why others want to inflict harm upon you. OK. "2. Bin Laden and al Qaeda violently opposed the United States for several reasons. First, the United States was regarded as an "infidel" because it was not governed in a manner consistent with the group's extremist interpretation of Islam. Second, the United States was viewed as providing essential support for other "infidel" governments and institutions, particularly the governments of Saudi Arabia and Egypt, the nation of Israel, and the United Nations organization, which were regarded as enemies of the group. Third, al Qaeda opposed the involvement of the United States armed forces in the Gulf War in 1991 and in Operation Restore Hope in Somalia in 1992 and 1993. In particular, al Qaeda opposed the continued presence of American military forces in Saudi Arabia (and elsewhere on the Saudi Arabian peninsula) following the Gulf War. Fourth, al Qaeda opposed the United States Government because of the arrest, conviction and imprisonment of persons belonging to al Qaeda or its affiliated terrorist groups or those with whom it worked. For these and other reasons, Bin Laden declared a jihad, or holy war, against the United States, which he has carried out through al Qaeda and its affiliated organizations." http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontl...ndictment.html Reading that one would have to conclude that al Qaeda is at war with every western democracy in the world. What part of "the United States was regarded as an "infidel" because it was not governed in a manner consistent with the group's extremist interpretation of Islam" do you not understand? Meeting the demands of the Islamo-fascists in order to remain at peace is not an acceptable solution for me and my family. Perhaps it is for yours. This is a war that will be waged for years, and is greater than who a particular US president is. In fact, the fate of western civilization is at stake. Tragically, I don't think a lot of the western world will understand this until something even more horrific than the 9/11 attacks occurs. |
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US fingerprint & photograph all foreign visitors except those onvisa waiver
In a police station, the cop will have access to your hands before the hands
are scanned. But in the airport, the immigration agent will be behind his counter, and you just have to place a finger on the small scanner. So, what prevents a passenger from "wearing" a false fingerprint "glove" ? Nobody would know because there would be nobody to inspect the hand prior to the finger being put on the scanner. Imagine if someone were to obtain George Bush's fingerprints and then manufacture fake fingerprints to be distributed to thousands of passengers, the USA database would then become a real farce. |
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US fingerprint & photograph all foreign visitors except those on visa waiver
On Mon, 5 Jan 2004 22:21:46 +0000 (UTC), "Howard Long"
wrote: It's pulled but stapled to your international segment boarding card issued with your Omaha boarding card. The visa is vinally pulled at the gate of the international segment. OK, now I see how it works. Thanks. |
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US fingerprint & photograph all foreign visitors except those onvisa waiver
Secret Asian Man wrote:
Because the US is the largest, most powerful democracy. With a selected president, a dead opposition that has not opposed a rogue government, I would not call it a healthy democracy. Arabas doN't despise the USA because their are a democracy or because of the lifestyle inside the USA. They despise the USA because the USA is mingling in their affairs, always taking the side of Israel, defending Israel at the UN by using its veto, and expecting to tell all countries how to conduct themselves. The mere fact that the USA is "suggesting" its own constitution to Iraq is a very good example of this, especially since the UN is perfectly equipped to suggest various consititutions to the Iraqis and letting them choose it. The mass hysteria that exists in the USA where americans even support such orwelian measures as fingerprinting and databasing everyone's pictures is the result of the actions of the USA government SINCE 9-11. Your government has made things WORSE. The argument that invading Iraq without UN approval would only stirr up terrorists motivations was presented to the USA well before the invasion began, yet, the USA chose to dismisse those. Now, you are reaping the fruits of your invasion. Cancelled flights, fingerprints, illegally detained people, hostages at Gantanamo and the list goes on. |
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