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IATA bids farewell to paper tickets
On Sep 3, 7:01 am, "TMOliver" wrote:
wrote .... E-tickets are not written contracts if there is no writing, and there is no writing when they are booked by phone. You do know the definition of "writing," don't you? Question... E - tickets purchased on the Internet - or by phone - from AA (and I suppose most other airlines) are followed by an email from the airline to the purchaser acknowledging the details of the purchase (and transmitting a link to the conditions of carriage). I am of the impression that the acknowledgement describing and defining the purchase consitutes the legal equivalent of a contract. Apparently, acknowledgements of transactions do constitute contracts in some other tranactions mentioned in the UCC. It does. VS was quoting a post of mine from 2000 which was in reference to a purely oral transaction with no written confirmation. By the way, where is your law degree from? Where are you authorized to practice law? TMO |
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On Sep 3, 7:01 am, "TMOliver" wrote:
wrote .... E-tickets are not written contracts if there is no writing, and there is no writing when they are booked by phone. You do know the definition of "writing," don't you? Question... E - tickets purchased on the Internet - or by phone - from AA (and I suppose most other airlines) are followed by an email from the airline to the purchaser acknowledging the details of the purchase (and transmitting a link to the conditions of carriage). I am of the impression that the acknowledgement describing and defining the purchase consitutes the legal equivalent of a contract. Apparently, acknowledgements of transactions do constitute contracts in some other tranactions mentioned in the UCC. By the way, where is your law degree from? Where are you authorized to practice law? TMO Sorry for the additional follow-up. The UCC applies only as between _merchants_. |
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TMOliver wrote:
wrote .... E-tickets are not written contracts if there is no writing, and there is no writing when they are booked by phone. You do know the definition of "writing," don't you? Question... E - tickets purchased on the Internet - or by phone - from AA (and I suppose most other airlines) are followed by an email from the airline to the purchaser acknowledging the details of the purchase (and transmitting a link to the conditions of carriage). I am of the impression that the acknowledgement describing and defining the purchase consitutes the legal equivalent of a contract. So, if someone sends you an email that you disagree with, it is still a binding contract? |
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"mrtravel" wrote in message . .. wrote: On Sep 1, 10:44 pm, mrtravel wrote: wrote: On Aug 27, 2:13 pm, (VS) wrote: In article . com, Alain Quai wrote: GENEVA (Reuters) - The global airlines body IATA said on Monday it had placed its last order for paper tickets, clearing the way for air travel to be based entirely on electronic ticketing from June 1 next year. My, and it seems like only yesterday our resident licensed attorney, PaulTauger, was advising us that an e-ticket is not a written contract, and that the statute of frauds precludes enforcement of non-written contracts. I wonder if they changed the statute of frauds since then, or if IATA is in violation. Still think you know more law than a lawyer? Is international transportation law his specialty? Why do you think you would need to know anything about "international transportation law" (whatever that is)? Do you think the law of contracts mutates because there is an airline involved? And "he," by the way, is me. So, is he specializes in contracts executed in any country in the workd, because if an e-ticket is a contract in Australia, it must be one in Costa Rica. The context of my discussion (back in 2000) about e-tickets was always U.S. law. I have no idea what the laws are with respect to contractual construction in other countries. |
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"mrtravel" wrote in message . .. wrote: On Sep 3, 7:01 am, "TMOliver" wrote: wrote .... E-tickets are not written contracts if there is no writing, and there is no writing when they are booked by phone. You do know the definition of "writing," don't you? Question... E - tickets purchased on the Internet - or by phone - from AA (and I suppose most other airlines) are followed by an email from the airline to the purchaser acknowledging the details of the purchase (and transmitting a link to the conditions of carriage). I am of the impression that the acknowledgement describing and defining the purchase consitutes the legal equivalent of a contract. Apparently, acknowledgements of transactions do constitute contracts in some other tranactions mentioned in the UCC. By the way, where is your law degree from? Where are you authorized to practice law? TMO Sorry for the additional follow-up. The UCC applies only as between _merchants_. Huh? So, I guess lines like the following are meaningless? "(e) If one of the parties to a transaction is a consumer, the following rules apply" WRONG What section of the UCC (which stands for "Uniform _Commercial_ Code" are you looking at? |
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In article om,
wrote: The context was your ridiculous claim that (quote) ``an e-ticket is not a written contract,'' followed by a long blovation that any opinion of yours about e-tickets must be correct because you are a Licensed Attorney (TM)... even though it was blindingly clear that you knew bugger-all about e-tickets and how they work. E-tickets were written contracts back in 2000, and they still are. You haven't a clue, have you? Spend some time on google and then see what you have to say, both about "Brooklyn Academy of Law," where I practice law, what position I hold and whether I am a "once-a-year traveler to Las Vegas. According to Google, you have a degree from a fourth-rate law school (Brooklyn^H^H^H^HLoyola Academy of Law or something - doesn't seem to appear among the top fifty US law schools, per US News rankings) and hold a position as ``counsel'' (isn't that a shorthand for failed lawyers who didn't make partner?) at a third-rate firm. Apparently, law is not the first career at which you failed, which would explain why you imagine that a law degree is a license to spout nonsense about e-tickets. E-tickets are not written contracts if there is no writing, and there is no writing when they are booked by phone. You do know the definition of "writing," don't you? I do know that no so long ago you claimed that (quote) ``an e-ticket is an oral promise.'' Apparently, all these annual joints to Vegas still haven't taught you that e-tickets come in forms other than oral promises by airline representatives. Tsk, tsk. By the way, where is your law degree from? Where are you authorized to practice law? I don't need a law degree to steer you - ever gently and kindly - towards realizing that your claims about e-tickets (``an e-ticket is an oral promise'' and ``an e-ticket is not a written contract'') are pure nonsense. But if you don't believe me, why don't you stomp your little feet at IATA and tell *them* what you think about legality of e-tickets. |
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On Sep 8, 10:55 pm, (VS) wrote:
In article om, wrote: The context was your ridiculous claim that (quote) ``an e-ticket is not a written contract,'' followed by a long blovation that any opinion of yours about e-tickets must be correct because you are a Licensed Attorney (TM)... even though it was blindingly clear that you knew bugger-all about e-tickets and how they work. E-tickets were written contracts back in 2000, and they still are. You haven't a clue, have you? Spend some time on google and then see what you have to say, both about "Brooklyn Academy of Law," where I practice law, what position I hold and whether I am a "once-a-year traveler to Las Vegas. According to Google, you have a degree from a fourth-rate law school (Brooklyn^H^H^H^HLoyola Academy of Law or something - doesn't seem to appear among the top fifty US law schools, per US News rankings) Loyola Law is fourth rate? Try again, sonny. and hold a position as ``counsel'' (isn't that a shorthand for failed lawyers who didn't make partner?) at a third-rate firm. My firm is third-rate? "Counsel" is short-hand for "didn't make partner?" Try again, sonny. Apparently, law is not the first career at which you failed, which would explain why you imagine that a law degree is a license to spout nonsense about e-tickets. Yeah, right. I used to wonder why you drew constant attacks from so many people on the net. Guess I know, don't I? E-tickets are not written contracts if there is no writing, and there is no writing when they are booked by phone. You do know the definition of "writing," don't you? I do know that no so long ago you claimed that (quote) ``an e-ticket is an oral promise.'' Apparently, all these annual joints to Vegas still haven't taught you that e-tickets come in forms other than oral promises by airline representatives. Tsk, tsk. I think you mean, "jaunt," not "joint." And I have no idea what you're talking about. I don't take "annual jaunts" to Las Vegas, and when I do go I don't fly. By the way, where is your law degree from? Where are you authorized to practice law? I don't need a law degree to steer you - Sure, you're clearly a well-qualified legal expert. ever gently and kindly - towards realizing that your claims about e-tickets (``an e-ticket is an oral promise'' and ``an e-ticket is not a written contract'') are pure nonsense. But if you don't believe me, why don't you stomp your little feet at IATA and tell *them* what you think about legality of e-tickets. As I said (though I understand you have trouble with content as well as context), in 2000, when I made those comments, etickets were mad eon the phone and no written confirmations were provided. However, don't let the facts get in your way. |
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