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"Peter D" [email protected] wrote in message
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Do you know, Miki, that this is the sort of reasoning used to silence
opposition to Hitler in the early 30s? I'm always cautious of anyone who
would seek to silence others on the basis that their speech is
"unpatriotic" or "abuses freedom of speech".

Liberal Icon FDR also put newspapermen and other dissenters in detention.
Are you going to compare him to Hitler as well?

On Wed, 31 Oct 2007 04:50:46 -0800, Icono Clast
wrote:

But neither I nor the Dixie Chicks insulted the Office of the
Presidency. I have the greatest of respect for it, as I'm sure most
people on the planet do, even if held by the likes of the incumbent.

The greatest insult to the office of the President is the
incumbent.


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On Oct 31, 9:12 am, "Peter D" [email protected] wrote:
"memiki" wrote

Nonsense yourself ! I think so doing is unpatriotic, abuses our
precious freedom of speech, and does us much harm.. The enemies of our
country use remarks such as those you approve of as propaganda.....why
fuel them...! ......why aid them!

Do you know, Miki, that this is the sort of reasoning used to silence
opposition to Hitler in the early 30s? I'm always cautious of anyone who
would seek to silence others on the basis that their speech is "unpatriotic"
or "abuses freedom of speech". The "abuse" is to attempt to silence them
with such words and sentiments. I hope yo see the important distinction, but
I think you won't.

HI Peter D -- It's been a long time.....hope all is well.

I am not seeking to silence anyone. I, personally, do not support
President Bush, and I think he has done damage to his Party......it's
not necessary to call the President an "idiot" in order to demonstrate
freedom of speech. I am very well aware of the situation with Hitler
in the 30's.

Miki

"memiki" schrieb

......it's not necessary to call the President an "idiot"

It's not very polite to call *anyone* an idiot. But by doing so
you don't damage anything but your own reputation, because
people might have thought you were a polite person up to
that very moment. Whoever that 'anyone' might be.

There are more appropriate expressions to characterize a
person's competence or character. And using these is not
damaging to a nation either.

Jochen

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Miki

John Wheaton scribed:


"Peter D" [email protected] wrote in message
...
Do you know, Miki, that this is the sort of reasoning used to silence
opposition to Hitler in the early 30s? I'm always cautious of anyone who
would seek to silence others on the basis that their speech is
"unpatriotic" or "abuses freedom of speech".

Liberal Icon FDR also put newspapermen and other dissenters in detention.
Are you going to compare him to Hitler as well?

FDR has nothing to do with Bush.
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John Wheaton scribed:


"Dave Smith" wrote in message
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Abuse of freedoms? You government is holding people without charges for
years, but doing so in places like Cuba where they figure American law
does
not apply.

You might consider reading the news before you comment on it. Everyone at
Gitmo had a hearing to establish that they were enemy combatants before they
were sent there. In every war, enemy combatants are rountinely held until
hostilities cease.

The have a rendition program to ship people to third countries
where they may be tortured.

Egyptians were sent to Egypt, and Saudis to Saudi Arabia, as in they were
sent home.

They are arbitrarily placing people's names on
no fly lists.

Some errors have occurred, but would rather have terrorists riding on
American Airlines with your family?

They lied about WMDs in Iraq to justify an invasion,

Another commonly stated err, but why let facts enter into your rant at this
late date. Every major Intel Agency in the entire World believed that WMDs
were there, and a number of Iraqi General Officers and Mossad continue to
maintain that the WMDs were there and that they were moved as the invation
started.

You have proven: "You can fool all of the people some of the time, but you
can only fool 24% of the people all of the time." ;-)
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"Ed Jay" wrote in message
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John Wheaton scribed:


"Peter D" [email protected] wrote in message
...
Do you know, Miki, that this is the sort of reasoning used to silence
opposition to Hitler in the early 30s? I'm always cautious of anyone who
would seek to silence others on the basis that their speech is
"unpatriotic" or "abuses freedom of speech".

Liberal Icon FDR also put newspapermen and other dissenters in detention.
Are you going to compare him to Hitler as well?

FDR has nothing to do with Bush.

Very true as Bush has not locked up dissidents, or set up internment camps
as FDR did.

John Wheaton wrote:

"Dave Smith" wrote in message
...
Abuse of freedoms? You government is holding people without charges for
years, but doing so in places like Cuba where they figure American law
does
not apply.

You might consider reading the news before you comment on it. Everyone at
Gitmo had a hearing to establish that they were enemy combatants before they
were sent there. In every war, enemy combatants are rountinely held until
hostilities cease.

That is not true. The hearings to determine whether or not they were enemy
combatants took place at Gitmo, not before they arrived. Besides, what
right does the US have to invade a foreign country and determine who is a
legal combatant. It is ironic that they can identify an enemy force and
attack it and then say the people they attacked were not legal combatants.



The have a rendition program to ship people to third countries
where they may be tortured.

Egyptians were sent to Egypt, and Saudis to Saudi Arabia, as in they were
sent home.

How about a Canadian citizen who was en route from Tunisia to Canada with a
stopover in the US being sent to Jordan and from there to Syria? He wasn't
sent home. After enduring torture in Syria he was released and sent back to
Canada, and is still on the No Fly list.


They are arbitrarily placing people's names on
no fly lists.

Some errors have occurred, but would rather have terrorists riding on
American Airlines with your family?

So much for the presumption of innocence until proven guilty.


They lied about WMDs in Iraq to justify an invasion,

Another commonly stated err, but why let facts enter into your rant at this
late date. Every major Intel Agency in the entire World believed that WMDs
were there, and a number of Iraqi General Officers and Mossad continue to
maintain that the WMDs were there and that they were moved as the invation
started.

No. Not every major intelligence agency thought that. Those that did were
swayed by "intelligence" provided by the US, and the administration has
admitted that they acted on the basis of faulty intelligence. One of the
Iraqi generals who was supposed to have provided information defected years
before the invasion. Let us not forget that the Mossad, while effective in
accomplishing what it wants, is not beyond lying to help Israeli interests.

John Wheaton scribed:


"Ed Jay" wrote in message
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John Wheaton scribed:


"Peter D" [email protected] wrote in message
...
Do you know, Miki, that this is the sort of reasoning used to silence
opposition to Hitler in the early 30s? I'm always cautious of anyone who
would seek to silence others on the basis that their speech is
"unpatriotic" or "abuses freedom of speech".

Liberal Icon FDR also put newspapermen and other dissenters in detention.
Are you going to compare him to Hitler as well?

FDR has nothing to do with Bush.

Very true as Bush has not locked up dissidents, or set up internment camps
as FDR did.

Nothing that FDR may have done excuses Bush. Stoopid argument, John.

Hey, William the Conqueror invaded England. Bush didn't. I guess that makes
Bush a good guy in your book, huh? That makes as much sense as your
argument. :-)
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