Back from Europe!

On May 18, 11:00*pm, "Jean O'Boyle" wrote:
We returned early Monday morning from our 16 day cruise to Europe and two
day stay in Copenhagen. What a terrific time! Favorites we

Cobh, Ireland, Falmouth, England, Paris, France and Rotterdam, Netherlands.

We also found Oslo, Dover and Copenhagen to be interesting, scenic and
pleasant. *The weather was in our favor; *we had a storm at sea one night on
the cruise and a thunderstorm on our last evening in Copenhagen, prohibiting
us from going to Tivoli.

Thanks to all on this newsgroup who gave me advice while I was planning the
trip. *It came in very handy! *Our hotel, Radisson Blu Royal was very
nice... very convenient to everything and we had a lovely view. Very
expensive, though! ;-) *We found the people wherever we went pleasant,
willing to engage in conversation, especially Ireland, England and the
Netherlands.

A big thank you to all who helped with their suggestions and knowledge!

--Jean

I imagine you like cities more than the countryside...?!

"Beer Tricks Potter" wrote in message
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On May 18, 11:00 pm, "Jean O'Boyle" wrote:
We returned early Monday morning from our 16 day cruise to Europe and two
day stay in Copenhagen. What a terrific time! Favorites we

Cobh, Ireland, Falmouth, England, Paris, France and Rotterdam,
Netherlands.

We also found Oslo, Dover and Copenhagen to be interesting, scenic and
pleasant. The weather was in our favor; we had a storm at sea one night on
the cruise and a thunderstorm on our last evening in Copenhagen,
prohibiting
us from going to Tivoli.

Thanks to all on this newsgroup who gave me advice while I was planning
the
trip. It came in very handy! Our hotel, Radisson Blu Royal was very
nice... very convenient to everything and we had a lovely view. Very
expensive, though! ;-) We found the people wherever we went pleasant,
willing to engage in conversation, especially Ireland, England and the
Netherlands.

A big thank you to all who helped with their suggestions and knowledge!

--Jean

I imagine you like cities more than the countryside...?!



Oh, I think that I enjoy both...the peacefulness and quaintness of the
countryside and the uniqueness of the cities. I was born and lived many
years in the country in Pennsylvania, until my parents retired and moved to
the city, so I have an appreciation of both.
Here in Texas, there is such vastness between cities, that use of an
automobile or plane is necessary to travel between the larger cities. We
have desert, mountains, ranches, woodlands and beaches all in one state. It
makes me envious of the wonderful transit system that you have in Europe,
which is impossible here because of these distances. But I do love where I
live and am blessed that I am able to explore the rest of the world and see
the many things that I have seen and hope to be able to see.

--Jean

Happy martin

"Martin" a écrit dans le message de groupe de discussion :
...

On Sat, 21 May 2011 01:10:24 -0700 (PDT), Surreyman
wrote:

On May 20, 10:31 am, Martin wrote:
On Fri, 20 May 2011 02:20:05 -0700 (PDT), Surreyman









wrote:
On May 19, 11:14 pm, William Black wrote:
On 19/05/11 22:55, Martin wrote:

On Thu, 19 May 2011 22:30:40 +0100, William Black
wrote:

On 19/05/11 22:24, Martin wrote:
On Thu, 19 May 2011 12:01:31 +0100, William Black
wrote:

On 19/05/11 09:11, Martin wrote:
On Thu, 19 May 2011 00:09:40 +0100, Jack Campin
wrote:

Jean O'Boyle wrote:
We returned early Monday morning from our 16 day cruise to
Europe and
two day stay in Copenhagen. What a terrific time! Favorites
we
Cobh, Ireland, Falmouth, England, Paris, France and Rotterdam,
Netherlands.

You are the only person I have ever heard of who liked
Rotterdam.

Care to explain?

There must be some attraction. P&O runs a day in Rotterdam
mini-cruises from Hull.

An awful lot of people do those cruises just to party on the ship
and do
a bit of shopping on their 'run ashore'.

What's the shopping like in Rotterdam?

No better than anywhere else in the Netherlands. Meadow Hall is a
better place for shopping.

Not for booze or tobacco.

You can get a lot of both in UK for the price of a P&O ferry return
to
R'dam.

Not sure about that.

I know people who buy their smokes in Rotterdam because it's cheaper
to
go as a foot passenger there in the off season and buy the stuff than
it
is to pay UK prices.

Alcohol prices are cheaper ashore in both countries than

onboard

Agreed.

--
William Black

Free men have open minds
If you want loyalty, buy a dog...

We do a 1-day trip from UK to Belgium spasmodically for cigs that are
cheaper than France or Netherlands (within a short trip that makes it
economical - cigs are even cheaper again in southern Europe).

Have you had your trip to Westland yet? I bet the shock will be as bad
as the shock I got when I saw Stonehenge in the programme about the
A303 on BBC 4 last night. I haven't been to Stonehenge since 1980.
--

Martin

3 weeks time. Now you really have got me worried. I was expecting 10
Indonesian restaurants in De Lier alone.

Have you googled for one.
I tried and failed.

IENS only gives these for De Lier
http://www.iens.nl/restaurant/de-lier


IENS list of Indonesian restaurants in Zuid Holland
http://www.iens.nl/zoek-een-restaura...kitchen_table=

Next you'll tell me I don't need clogs or tulips either. :-))

You missed the tulips :-)

A touch of deja vu here all this was discussed in 2005.
--

Martin

asks spammer michaelnewport...

"Beer Tricks Potter" a écrit dans le message de groupe de discussion :
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On May 18, 11:00 pm, "Jean O'Boyle" wrote:
We returned early Monday morning from our 16 day cruise to Europe and two
day stay in Copenhagen. What a terrific time! Favorites we

Cobh, Ireland, Falmouth, England, Paris, France and Rotterdam,
Netherlands.

We also found Oslo, Dover and Copenhagen to be interesting, scenic and
pleasant. The weather was in our favor; we had a storm at sea one night
on
the cruise and a thunderstorm on our last evening in Copenhagen,
prohibiting
us from going to Tivoli.

Thanks to all on this newsgroup who gave me advice while I was planning
the
trip. It came in very handy! Our hotel, Radisson Blu Royal was very
nice... very convenient to everything and we had a lovely view. Very
expensive, though! ;-) We found the people wherever we went pleasant,
willing to engage in conversation, especially Ireland, England and the
Netherlands.

A big thank you to all who helped with their suggestions and knowledge!

--Jean

I imagine you like cities more than the countryside...?!

On May 20, 5:25*pm, David Hatunen wrote:
On Fri, 20 May 2011 02:20:05 -0700, Surreyman wrote:
We do a 1-day trip from UK to Belgium spasmodically for cigs that are
cheaper than France or Netherlands (within a short trip that makes it
economical - cigs are even cheaper again in southern Europe).

To reduce your cigarette expenses quit smoking. Then maybe you won't get
COPD, like me. (I quit over twenty years ago, but it didn't save me.)

--
Dave Hatunen, Tucson, Baja Arizona, out where the cacti grow

At 70, I think the sudden withdrawal of nicotine from my system might
do more harm than retaining the status quo! :-))

On May 20, 10:47*am, Martin wrote:
On Fri, 20 May 2011 02:24:51 -0700 (PDT), Surreyman









wrote:
On May 19, 10:27*pm, Martin wrote:
On Thu, 19 May 2011 06:18:40 -0700 (PDT), Surreyman

wrote:
On May 19, 12:01*pm, William Black wrote:
On 19/05/11 09:11, Martin wrote:

On Thu, 19 May 2011 00:09:40 +0100, Jack Campin
*wrote:

Jean O'Boyle wrote:
We returned early Monday morning from our 16 day cruise to Europe and
two day stay in Copenhagen. What a terrific time! Favorites we
Cobh, Ireland, Falmouth, England, Paris, France and Rotterdam, Netherlands.

You are the only person I have ever heard of who liked Rotterdam..

Care to explain?

There must be some attraction. P&O runs a day in Rotterdam
mini-cruises from Hull.

An awful lot of people do those cruises just to party on the ship and do
a bit of shopping on their 'run ashore'.

What's the shopping like in Rotterdam?

--
William Black

Free men have open minds
If you want loyalty, *buy a dog...

What you seem to have enjoyed was the innate friendliness and
helpfulness of most Dutch people.
If you were after Rotterdam's modern architecture,

If you like the 1960s new town look visit Stevenage.

fair enough.
I far prefer enjoying the Dutch (& Dutch/Indonesian food) in rather
more 'Dutch' surroundings!

There are very few Indonesian restaurants left. There is only one in
Leiden. Most converted to Chinese long ago.
--

Martin

"Very few"?
Is that really so? They used to be all over - as 'Chin/Ind'
restaurants.
Part of the scenery - and our favourite food!
Surely not - please!
We're about to return after far too long away, and Indonesian eating
was to be a major activity!
Only one in Leiden, for instance?
An exaggeration? - Please!!!!!!?????

It's not an exaggeration. the local newspaper, which does a weekly
review of local restaurants commented on the disappearance of
Indonesian restaurants.The original generation of Indonesian
restaurant owners reached retirement age the next generation weren't
interested. The Chinese bought up the restaurants initially serving
near Indonesian food, but nowadays Chinese food. On the plus side the
Chinese restaurants are much better than the average UK Chinese
restaurant.

The sole Indonesian restaurant in Leiden isn't particularly good. The
kitchen is in Scheveningen and the food is transported to Leiden and
reheated in steam ovens. Locals rate it but we found it expensive and
disappointing. There was a famous one in Wassenaar that went bust. The
restaurant is to be demolished and flats built on the site.

This website shows 6

Use Google Chrome to view it in Englishhttp://www.leidslekkers.nl/lijst/diner/indonesisch/geen/alles/0/
Only three are really Indonesian of which at least one closed its
doors forever last year.
--

Martin

I suspect I remember the Wassenaar one.
And there was a famous (and pricey) one in Scheveningen.
And a ludicrously cheap one (to which I guided my Dutch friends to
their amazement) slap in the middle of Leidesplein, Amsterdam, I
think.
But tdhere were so many everywhere I don't remember the names.
Luckily, two of my main Dutch friends are near-professional standard
Indonesian chefs (a hobby), so maybe I still have a chance!
That's amazing news, though.
Thanks (I think!).

On May 20, 10:47*am, Martin wrote:
On Fri, 20 May 2011 02:24:51 -0700 (PDT), Surreyman









wrote:
On May 19, 10:27*pm, Martin wrote:
On Thu, 19 May 2011 06:18:40 -0700 (PDT), Surreyman

wrote:
On May 19, 12:01*pm, William Black wrote:
On 19/05/11 09:11, Martin wrote:

On Thu, 19 May 2011 00:09:40 +0100, Jack Campin
*wrote:

Jean O'Boyle wrote:
We returned early Monday morning from our 16 day cruise to Europe and
two day stay in Copenhagen. What a terrific time! Favorites we
Cobh, Ireland, Falmouth, England, Paris, France and Rotterdam, Netherlands.

You are the only person I have ever heard of who liked Rotterdam..

Care to explain?

There must be some attraction. P&O runs a day in Rotterdam
mini-cruises from Hull.

An awful lot of people do those cruises just to party on the ship and do
a bit of shopping on their 'run ashore'.

What's the shopping like in Rotterdam?

--
William Black

Free men have open minds
If you want loyalty, *buy a dog...

What you seem to have enjoyed was the innate friendliness and
helpfulness of most Dutch people.
If you were after Rotterdam's modern architecture,

If you like the 1960s new town look visit Stevenage.

fair enough.
I far prefer enjoying the Dutch (& Dutch/Indonesian food) in rather
more 'Dutch' surroundings!

There are very few Indonesian restaurants left. There is only one in
Leiden. Most converted to Chinese long ago.
--

Martin

"Very few"?
Is that really so? They used to be all over - as 'Chin/Ind'
restaurants.
Part of the scenery - and our favourite food!
Surely not - please!
We're about to return after far too long away, and Indonesian eating
was to be a major activity!
Only one in Leiden, for instance?
An exaggeration? - Please!!!!!!?????

It's not an exaggeration. the local newspaper, which does a weekly
review of local restaurants commented on the disappearance of
Indonesian restaurants.The original generation of Indonesian
restaurant owners reached retirement age the next generation weren't
interested. The Chinese bought up the restaurants initially serving
near Indonesian food, but nowadays Chinese food. On the plus side the
Chinese restaurants are much better than the average UK Chinese
restaurant.

The sole Indonesian restaurant in Leiden isn't particularly good. The
kitchen is in Scheveningen and the food is transported to Leiden and
reheated in steam ovens. Locals rate it but we found it expensive and
disappointing. There was a famous one in Wassenaar that went bust. The
restaurant is to be demolished and flats built on the site.

This website shows 6

Use Google Chrome to view it in Englishhttp://www.leidslekkers.nl/lijst/diner/indonesisch/geen/alles/0/
Only three are really Indonesian of which at least one closed its
doors forever last year.
--

Martin

I've checked with my 'chef' friend and he doesn't recognise your
picture.
Says his top 50 'that he knows and loves' all are still there plus, of
course, many more.
Maybe it's just Leiden suffering!

On 20/05/2011 23:33, G. Purzcreeperz wrote:
"Jean O'Boyle" wrote in message
...

My husband especially enjoyed tasting the local brew of each
city/country that we visited. In Amsterdam, it was Jupiter Pilsner,
which was recommended to him by the waiter. I even had a small glass
and found it very good; even though I am not a "beer" person.

"Jupiter?" "Local brew?" Srsly? *sigh*

There is a pretty ordinary industrial-strength Pilsner from BELGIUM
(not the Netherlands) manufactured by the world's largest international
brewing conglomerate called "Jupiler." It is most assuredly NOT a
"local brew" in Amsterdam, as it is concocted in a rather large beer
factory not far from Liége (again, that's in Belgium). The Dutch
equivalents are Heineken and Amstel, and like Jupiler and its sister
product Stella Artois, are dull-as-dishwater bland industrial products
aimed at the mass market.

In Amsterdam, even the likes of Heineken and Amstel are no longer
"local brews," as the country's biggest brewing concern moved all
production out of Amsterdam years ago. Instead, Amsterdam's own
brews are now made by specialists like Brouwerij t'Ij and De Prael.
Beers from either of these are far more distinctive and interesting
than more bland industrial megafizz, be it from Belgium or anywhere
else. The most interesting and varied "local brews" come from small
specialist breweries like these, as well as De Molen, Us Heit, and
Emelisse, to name a few. The best place in Amsterdam to find these
is the excellent Arendsnest, a beer-lover's paradise that has the
best range of Dutch beers to be found anywhere. That's the kind of
place one goes to taste "local brews."
Beer aside: I still have on my desk a beermat from the Jopen brewery
www.jopen.nl. I had the dark stout - fantastic brew.

M
http:/:cannes-or-bust.com/

On May 24, 10:03*am, Martin wrote:
On Tue, 24 May 2011 01:58:31 -0700 (PDT), Surreyman









wrote:
On May 20, 10:47 am, Martin wrote:
On Fri, 20 May 2011 02:24:51 -0700 (PDT), Surreyman

wrote:
On May 19, 10:27 pm, Martin wrote:
On Thu, 19 May 2011 06:18:40 -0700 (PDT), Surreyman

wrote:
On May 19, 12:01 pm, William Black wrote:
On 19/05/11 09:11, Martin wrote:

On Thu, 19 May 2011 00:09:40 +0100, Jack Campin
wrote:

Jean O'Boyle wrote:
We returned early Monday morning from our 16 day cruise to Europe and
two day stay in Copenhagen. What a terrific time! Favorites we
Cobh, Ireland, Falmouth, England, Paris, France and Rotterdam, Netherlands.

You are the only person I have ever heard of who liked Rotterdam.

Care to explain?

There must be some attraction. P&O runs a day in Rotterdam
mini-cruises from Hull.

An awful lot of people do those cruises just to party on the ship and do
a bit of shopping on their 'run ashore'.

What's the shopping like in Rotterdam?

--
William Black

Free men have open minds
If you want loyalty, buy a dog...

What you seem to have enjoyed was the innate friendliness and
helpfulness of most Dutch people.
If you were after Rotterdam's modern architecture,

If you like the 1960s new town look visit Stevenage.

fair enough.
I far prefer enjoying the Dutch (& Dutch/Indonesian food) in rather
more 'Dutch' surroundings!

There are very few Indonesian restaurants left. There is only one in
Leiden. Most converted to Chinese long ago.
--

Martin

"Very few"?
Is that really so? They used to be all over - as 'Chin/Ind'
restaurants.
Part of the scenery - and our favourite food!
Surely not - please!
We're about to return after far too long away, and Indonesian eating
was to be a major activity!
Only one in Leiden, for instance?
An exaggeration? - Please!!!!!!?????

It's not an exaggeration. the local newspaper, which does a weekly
review of local restaurants commented on the disappearance of
Indonesian restaurants.The original generation of Indonesian
restaurant owners reached retirement age the next generation weren't
interested. The Chinese bought up the restaurants initially serving
near Indonesian food, but nowadays Chinese food. On the plus side the
Chinese restaurants are much better than the average UK Chinese
restaurant.

The sole Indonesian restaurant in Leiden isn't particularly good. The
kitchen is in Scheveningen and the food is transported to Leiden and
reheated in steam ovens. Locals rate it but we found it expensive and
disappointing. There was a famous one in Wassenaar that went bust. The
restaurant is to be demolished and flats built on the site.

This website shows 6

Use Google Chrome to view it in Englishhttp://www.leidslekkers.nl/lijst/diner/indonesisch/geen/alles/0/
Only three are really Indonesian of which at least one closed its
doors forever last year.
--

Martin

I've checked with my 'chef' friend and he doesn't recognise your
picture.
Says his top 50 'that he knows and loves' all are still there plus, of
course, many more.

So which are in the place you mentioned?

Maybe it's just Leiden suffering!

I doubt it.
--

Martin

Not in De Lier, I imagine, which is very small of course.
But he's probably talking of a radius from Den Haag.

On May 24, 12:10*pm, Martin wrote:
On Tue, 24 May 2011 04:02:52 -0700 (PDT), Surreyman









wrote:
On May 24, 10:03*am, Martin wrote:
On Tue, 24 May 2011 01:58:31 -0700 (PDT), Surreyman

wrote:
On May 20, 10:47 am, Martin wrote:
On Fri, 20 May 2011 02:24:51 -0700 (PDT), Surreyman

wrote:
On May 19, 10:27 pm, Martin wrote:
On Thu, 19 May 2011 06:18:40 -0700 (PDT), Surreyman

wrote:
On May 19, 12:01 pm, William Black wrote:
On 19/05/11 09:11, Martin wrote:

On Thu, 19 May 2011 00:09:40 +0100, Jack Campin
wrote:

Jean O'Boyle wrote:
We returned early Monday morning from our 16 day cruise to Europe and
two day stay in Copenhagen. What a terrific time! Favorites we
Cobh, Ireland, Falmouth, England, Paris, France and Rotterdam, Netherlands.

You are the only person I have ever heard of who liked Rotterdam.

Care to explain?

There must be some attraction. P&O runs a day in Rotterdam
mini-cruises from Hull.

An awful lot of people do those cruises just to party on the ship and do
a bit of shopping on their 'run ashore'.

What's the shopping like in Rotterdam?

--
William Black

Free men have open minds
If you want loyalty, buy a dog...

What you seem to have enjoyed was the innate friendliness and
helpfulness of most Dutch people.
If you were after Rotterdam's modern architecture,

If you like the 1960s new town look visit Stevenage.

fair enough.
I far prefer enjoying the Dutch (& Dutch/Indonesian food) in rather
more 'Dutch' surroundings!

There are very few Indonesian restaurants left. There is only one in
Leiden. Most converted to Chinese long ago.
--

Martin

"Very few"?
Is that really so? They used to be all over - as 'Chin/Ind'
restaurants.
Part of the scenery - and our favourite food!
Surely not - please!
We're about to return after far too long away, and Indonesian eating
was to be a major activity!
Only one in Leiden, for instance?
An exaggeration? - Please!!!!!!?????

It's not an exaggeration. the local newspaper, which does a weekly
review of local restaurants commented on the disappearance of
Indonesian restaurants.The original generation of Indonesian
restaurant owners reached retirement age the next generation weren't
interested. The Chinese bought up the restaurants initially serving
near Indonesian food, but nowadays Chinese food. On the plus side the
Chinese restaurants are much better than the average UK Chinese
restaurant.

The sole Indonesian restaurant in Leiden isn't particularly good. The
kitchen is in Scheveningen and the food is transported to Leiden and
reheated in steam ovens. Locals rate it but we found it expensive and
disappointing. There was a famous one in Wassenaar that went bust. The
restaurant is to be demolished and flats built on the site.

This website shows 6

Use Google Chrome to view it in Englishhttp://www.leidslekkers.nl/lijst/diner/indonesisch/geen/alles/0/
Only three are really Indonesian of which at least one closed its
doors forever last year.
--

Martin

I've checked with my 'chef' friend and he doesn't recognise your
picture.
Says his top 50 'that he knows and loves' all are still there plus, of
course, many more.

So which are in the place you mentioned?

Maybe it's just Leiden suffering!

I doubt it.
Not in De Lier, I imagine, which is very small of course.
But he's probably talking of a radius from Den Haag.

I know Den Haag and R'dam still have some Indonesian restaurants, but
the vast majority of what were Indonesian are all Chinese now.

Leiden and the immediate surrounding towns must have a population of
at least 200,000, but I only know of one real Indonesian restaurant in
the area.
--

Martin

Oh well, we'll see where he takes us! :-))