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"pigo" enscribed:
"Disgruntled Customer" wrote in message ... Funny but if hiring practices are fair and not racist, the distribution of hired people will closely match the distribution of job candidates. Affirmative action only kicks in when there is evidence (statistical or direct) of unfair hiring practice. You mean like the NBA? Does the distribution of job candidates match the distribution of job hires? Affirmative action is concerned with the population applying to a class of jobs, not the population as a whole. -- Feh. Mad as heck. |
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In ba.transportation Stan de SD wrote:
"Disgruntled Customer" wrote in message ... .... Diablo Range so that people have an alternative. You're assuming minorities are universally less qualified; that is, you're saying they're inferior. Funny, but I favor hiring people based on their individual qualifications, not to meet some "diversity" quota. The fact that Lefty Liberals feel compelled to force racial quotas is an admission that they themselves don't believe that those people can make it on merit. I don't know anybody who favors quotas...do you? (Or is that an admission that there are no "Lefty Liberals"?) Methods like Affirmative Action are used, not because their advocates feel minorities can't "make it on merit," but because hiring is not based on merit in the real world. It's clear that, in the real world, minorities do not hold jobs in many areas in proportion to their population. If you believe that hiring does in fact take place on merit, does that mean that minorities are in fact of lower merit? (And, if so, is that based on inherent ability, education and experience, ...? And what, if anything, do you believe should be done about it?) (Actually I don't know why I bother to ask that last question. Your answer is that if government will quit trying to solve problems, the problems will solve themselves.) |
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"Disgruntled Customer" wrote in message ... "pigo" enscribed: "Disgruntled Customer" wrote in message ... Funny but if hiring practices are fair and not racist, the distribution of hired people will closely match the distribution of job candidates. Affirmative action only kicks in when there is evidence (statistical or direct) of unfair hiring practice. You mean like the NBA? Does the distribution of job candidates match the distribution of job hires? Affirmative action is concerned with the population applying to a class of jobs, not the population as a whole. You mean all we have to do is get a bunch of white guys to *apply* to the NBA? |
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"Disgruntled Customer" wrote in message ... Funny but if hiring practices are fair and not racist, the distribution of hired people will closely match the distribution of job candidates. Affirmative action only kicks in when there is evidence (statistical or direct) of unfair hiring practice. What exactly is the mechanism that makes the distribution of hired people match the distribution of job candidate? The mechanism that creates jobs needing workers is what customers want to buy. The mechanism that qualifies a person to have a job is education, skills, experience, capability to do the work, and the attitude toward work. The demand for workers and the eligibility to qualify to be a worker are different from each other. In other words, just because you can buy something, does not mean that you can build that something. Saying any mismatch is raciest is a racist cheap shot by you that makes no sense at all. |
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"Disgruntled Customer" wrote in message ... "pigo" enscribed: "Disgruntled Customer" wrote in message ... Funny but if hiring practices are fair and not racist, the distribution of hired people will closely match the distribution of job candidates. Affirmative action only kicks in when there is evidence (statistical or direct) of unfair hiring practice. You mean like the NBA? Does the distribution of job candidates match the distribution of job hires? And if it doesn't, what does that prove? |
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"Merlin Dorfman" wrote in message ... In ba.transportation Stan de SD wrote: "Disgruntled Customer" wrote in message ... ... Diablo Range so that people have an alternative. You're assuming minorities are universally less qualified; that is, you're saying they're inferior. Funny, but I favor hiring people based on their individual qualifications, not to meet some "diversity" quota. The fact that Lefty Liberals feel compelled to force racial quotas is an admission that they themselves don't believe that those people can make it on merit. I don't know anybody who favors quotas...do you? (Or is that an admission that there are no "Lefty Liberals"?) Methods like Affirmative Action are used, not because their advocates feel minorities can't "make it on merit," but because hiring is not based on merit in the real world. It's clear that, in the real world, minorities do not hold jobs in many areas in proportion to their population. If you believe that hiring does in fact take place on merit, does that mean that minorities are in fact of lower merit? In some cases, yes. There is plenty of data out there that shows that certain minorities have lower levels of hs/college graduation, have lower standardized test scores, etc. than the white majority. Conversely, there is data that other minorities have higher test/graduation levels, than the white majority. Is it a coincidence that the groups that statistically perform better are "overrepresented", while those that statistically perform worse are "underrepresented"? Is it "racism"? Or is it merely a logical outcome based on the inputs? |
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Stan de SD wrote: "Disgruntled Customer" wrote in message ... "pigo" enscribed: "Disgruntled Customer" wrote in message ... Funny but if hiring practices are fair and not racist, the distribution of hired people will closely match the distribution of job candidates. Affirmative action only kicks in when there is evidence (statistical or direct) of unfair hiring practice. You mean like the NBA? Does the distribution of job candidates match the distribution of job hires? And if it doesn't, what does that prove? Racist hiring practices in the NBA. |
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In ba.transportation Stan de SD wrote:
"Merlin Dorfman" wrote in message ... In ba.transportation Stan de SD wrote: .... It's clear that, in the real world, minorities do not hold jobs in many areas in proportion to their population. If you believe that hiring does in fact take place on merit, does that mean that minorities are in fact of lower merit? In some cases, yes. There is plenty of data out there that shows that certain minorities have lower levels of hs/college graduation, have lower standardized test scores, etc. than the white majority. Conversely, there is data that other minorities have higher test/graduation levels, than the white majority. Is it a coincidence that the groups that statistically perform better are "overrepresented", while those that statistically perform worse are "underrepresented"? Is it "racism"? Or is it merely a logical outcome based on the inputs? Good questions. Do you feel that anything should be done about those minority groups that underperform? |
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"Merlin Dorfman" wrote in message ... In ba.transportation Stan de SD wrote: Good questions. Do you feel that anything should be done about those minority groups that underperform? Like what? Does anyone have a proven solution to the problem? We know just throwing money at the problem seldom works. |
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"Merlin Dorfman" wrote in message ... In ba.transportation Stan de SD wrote: "Merlin Dorfman" wrote in message ... In ba.transportation Stan de SD wrote: ... It's clear that, in the real world, minorities do not hold jobs in many areas in proportion to their population. If you believe that hiring does in fact take place on merit, does that mean that minorities are in fact of lower merit? In some cases, yes. There is plenty of data out there that shows that certain minorities have lower levels of hs/college graduation, have lower standardized test scores, etc. than the white majority. Conversely, there is data that other minorities have higher test/graduation levels, than the white majority. Is it a coincidence that the groups that statistically perform better are "overrepresented", while those that statistically perform worse are "underrepresented"? Is it "racism"? Or is it merely a logical outcome based on the inputs? Good questions. Do you feel that anything should be done about those minority groups that underperform? Stop hiring and promoting individuals on the basis of race. |
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