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Alerts to New Cruisers & New Visitors (Skip Clicking if No Interests)
Hi New Cruisers & New Vistors to this group, I issued this alert and
thought it would be of financial interest. If you missed any of my alerts, they are available only here. This is a group about passions and concerns of cruising, and not about directing primarily business to agent. Best regards, Garry NOT A TRAVEL AGENT 800-911-411 or Consult-Group-Before-Purchase Alert: Know How You Get to an Agent & Share Specific Agent Practices with Group Please Any Place, any time When I started for the first times to look into cruising as travel idea, at least for the first 2 times I booked a cruise, I later found out I paid $200-$300 above the lowest prices publicly available then from websites - not necessarily from household name brands such as Orbitz or Travelocity. By the way, these were for transaction amounts of around $1000 and around $1500 in total for 2 persons for the cheapest available cabins for 7 days. The consolidator cruise websites, while many a time cheaper than the household brand names, do not necessarily offer the lowest prices, particularly in light of the more restrictive terms (e.g. in not very "fine" print on separate web pages) you are bound. Once you book with websites, they may hit you with cancellation or rebooking fees should you need to make any minor changes which should have been free before the comitment deadlines from cruiselines anyway. As for booking with human travel agents, prices also vary. For a transaction amount of a 2-person 7-day cheap cabin, agent-A may charge anywhere from $200 - $500 more than agent-B, depending on different service levels and their cost of doing business (thus required return from your transaction differs). After my first 2 website experiences, I used travel agents myself too. Some may be willing to beat the website prices, some just quoted much more than what were publicly available, even more than what's offered by the cruiselines directly. Some simply gave me a hard and rude time. Over these experiences, I learnt and have developed somewhat of my own best pratices when it comes to researching for advices and who to book with. I guess the above is no new news. But I just develop a strong feeling out of my actual experiences that there are agents who prey on the VULNERABILITIES of SOMEONE NEW. They present the picture in such ways so that you are paying easily several hundred dollars more simply perhaps because someone new to the business are not prepared to ask the right questions. Some sadly are under the false pretense that if an agent is introduced by someone you know or by a newsgroup, then that agent is trustworthy. AGENT TRUSTWORTHINESS should be looked into not slightly. To be fair, Travelocity's cost base is higher than a smaller cruise website so it should carry more values. But if you take the quote, say $1400, to an agent who has not website costs to absorb, you should be able to find one who should be willing to offer less than $1400, for instance (as website costs for one kind can be avoided). However, I personally also ran into serveral times where human agents came back with quotes way higher than $1400 to begin with. Therefore along these cost lines, if you work with an agent who "advertises" in this news group, you should ask for an even lower price - to deduct the advertising expenses avoided on the part of the agent to reach you. I imagine if I were an agent, and if I could tap into a minimal-cost channel of obtaining prospects, I could afford to wait for the best paying prices to come along. AGENT TRUSTWORTHINESS should include how one does business in consideration of others NOT just according to the laws or how inconsequential (i.e. what people can do about it anyway?) it seems BUT ALSO how one can be a good community or corporate citizen. Please, if you are new, report and share practices you observe with the group to advance the passions and concerns of cruising. I remember seeing postings of people asking quotes from a travel agent who posts here got treated less than squarely - I think the term was: NOT ENTERTAINING PRICE ENQUIRIES. Especially for the new, please insist on comparing prices, no courteous agents should give people hard times simply because the enquirer is not prepared to give all the trust to the agent in question. So the agent simply waits... When in doubt, just ask, and listen to the facts. And even if you have time, you may not want to keep sending postings all the time. Enjoy the postings and have fun comparing! |
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Alert to New Cruisers:
This is a troll who doesn't have a clue about cruise pricing. Please ignore. I've been on 14 cruises. There are folks here who have been on many, many more cruises. Take care when reading this newsgroup to gauge the credibility of the poster. We are absolutely, positively troll-infested at the moment. Diana Ball near Houston, TX |
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"D Ball" wrote in message ... Alert to New Cruisers: This is a troll who doesn't have a clue about cruise pricing. Please ignore. I've been on 14 cruises. There are folks here who have been on many, many more cruises. Take care when reading this newsgroup to gauge the credibility of the poster. We are absolutely, positively troll-infested at the moment. Well said, Diana.. There are many seasoned cruisers in this group who have many cruises under their belts (we just got off our 32nd one on the Celebrity Mercury) and who can spot a troll very quickly. I come back to see that the animals have been and are very restless, lately....Although I have the leader kill filed, all the new anonymous troll names keep appearing and my kill file is filling up.. I sincerely believe it is the very same sick troll using different* handles* to make it appear as if there are many jumping on his bandwagon. Too bad I see his posts included in those who reply to him...If it keeps ups, I have no choice but to sadly have to kill file them, too. Best if everyone just kill filled him. Result: Instead of losing customers, Ray will be making lots of new ones. --Jean |
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"Jean O'Boyle" wrote in message
t... Well said, Diana.. There are many seasoned cruisers in this group who have many cruises under their belts (we just got off our 32nd one on the Celebrity Mercury) and who can spot a troll very quickly. I come back to see that the animals have been and are very restless, lately....Although I have the leader kill filed, all the new anonymous troll names keep appearing and my kill file is filling up.. I sincerely believe it is the very same sick troll using different* handles* to make it appear as if there are many jumping on his bandwagon. Too bad I see his posts included in those who reply to him...If it keeps ups, I have no choice but to sadly have to kill file them, too. Best if everyone just kill filled him. Result: Instead of losing customers, Ray will be making lots of new ones. --Jean Let me fill you in. While you were gone one poster here wrote 166 messages on RTC because HE decided that Ray broke the rules of the RTC charter. When one of the people who actually wrote the RTC charter tried to tell him he was wrong, he went off on Roland. The amoeba seems to think that Roland's last name is "Piperut", and eventually "you know who", unable to make his point, called Roland a "faggot" because he wears a "skirt". Want even better? This unnamed coward who has frequently claimed to have NEVER posted under a fake name, used six different ID's in posting the 166 messages. I have finally done what I should have done a long time ago. I put him in my killfile. See what you are missing? -- DG in Cherry Hill, NJ |
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DICK GOLDHABER IS A LYING SHILL FOR GOLDENBERG. See PROOF here.
Dick G wrote: "Jean O'Boyle" wrote in message t... Result: Instead of losing customers, Ray will be making lots of new ones. --Jean Let me fill you in. While you were gone one poster here wrote 166 messages on RTC because HE decided that Ray broke the rules of the RTC charter. I said NOTHING about rules of the RTC charter -- you LYING SHILL for Ray! I said he violated USENET Guidelines which apply to ALL newsgroups -- NO ADS. When one of the people who actually wrote the RTC charter tried to tell him he was wrong, he went off on Roland. The amoeba seems to think that Roland's last name is "Piperut", When did I think roland's name was piperut? Roland chose to POST by his posting name piperut. At least I didn't whine like some of the other brown-nosers of Ray about a posting name as a "fake" and a "sockpuppet". Roland kept pointing out Ray's 4-line sig was within RTC charter, when EVERYONE can see that the number of lines in the sig is the LEAST of Ray's AD. When he made it 3 lines, it was STILL a blatent AD. and eventually "you know who", unable to make his point, called Roland a "faggot" because he wears a "skirt". That's still ANOTHER LIE -- Dick Goldhaber. A DAMNED LIE. Fred chided roland about wearing a shirt. Roland went into a treatise on his Scottish honor of blowing his "Warrior Pipes", or "War Pipes". This was my verbatim quote: RF I recommend that you change your blowing of your "War Pipes" RF to blowing a Faggot. It sounds better and is legit in an orchestra. RF Roland the Faggot blower -- I like the ring of it! How would someone as ignorant and uneducated as Dick Goldhaber know that a Faggot is a "bassoon" a woodwind instrument in an orchestra. I even mentioned "orchester" to make it clear that was the Faggot I meant -- bassoon. THREE LIES in THREE narratives -- by Dick Goldhaber! Want even better? This unnamed coward who has frequently claimed to have NEVER posted under a fake name, used six different ID's in posting the 166 messages. Use ONLY six? Those are POSTING names, not IDs. The ID is the same ISP from which I posted. How else could you have counted 166? This month's top posters 171 The SAME posting ID as I always used in rec.travel.cruises All time top posters 18018 The same ADs, 18,018 by the same Ray Goldenberg from the same ID. -- DG in Cherry Hill, NJ Missing Dick Goldhaber's LIES exposed. Missing Ray Goldenberg's ADs and sleazy tactics exposed! Ray has used various tactics in the past to form his present SPAM haven, with brown-nosers kissing his derriere. 1996 rec.travel.caribbean Ray tried PRIVATE spamming To which Ray Goldenberg of Spamhouse Travel responded via private email: Hi Craig,(private) Give me a call, if I can be of assistance. I would appreciate your business. Craig For crying out loud! Is this what you do all day? Scan the Craig Caribbean newsgroups for suckers to sell stuff to? ---------------------------------------------------------------------------*------------ In 1997, Ray intimidated other Travel Agents who competed against his ad: Ray Goldenberg , says that this group will boycott my business The reason being that I posted only the URL of my site ---------------------------------------------------------------------------*------------ Really IRONIC and INTERESTING that Ray threatened to BOYCOTT someone who post his business URL. In 1998, Ray refined his intimidation tactic on other TAs to harrassements: Mr. Ray Goldenberg ) continues to "stalk" me via the internet. In the last three weeks I have received no less than 15 onsolicated, harassing e:mails from this individual. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------*--------------- You see, over the years, Ray has built his present SPAMMING Empire in rec.travel.cruises through every DISHONORABLE tactic known to mankind, to have molded the present crop of do-nothing yes-man and Ray-worshippers like piperut and the rest of the rotten gang who recognized Ray's ADS as ADs, but have been threathened, harrassed, and imtimidated into their present submission. I do not yield to AD spamming newsgroup fascists like Ray Goldenberg. I'll spam HIS ADS as long as he spams using his ADs. There are already HUNDREDS of posts in the archives (over the years) complaining about Ray's ADs. None used the BOYCOTT slogans. Ray will get plenty more of those, in time. From me and from others. Then he'll see the effect of BOYCOTT. I hope others will join the BOYCOTT BOYCOTT RAY GOLDENBERG WHO RUDELY ADVERTISES IN RTC BOYCOTT CRETINS WHO RUDELY SPAMS NEWSGROUPS BOYCOTT BUSINESSES THAT ADVERTISE IN RTC AS RAY GOLDENBERT GoldenAd Spammer NOT. |
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DICK GOLDHABER IS A LYING SHILL FOR GOLDENBERG. See PROOF here.
"CRETIN ADVERTISER GOLDENBERG" wrote I said he violated USENET Guidelines which apply to ALL newsgroups -- NO ADS. Not quite true. You said he violated "rules and guidelines". I asked you twice to either cite these rules or provide a link.... and you didn't. "Rules" would be pretty easy to understand. "Guidelines" would be open to everyone's interpretation. Perhaps Bob can provide us with the exact "rules" and "guidelines" so people can see what he is talking about. -- George Leppla http://www.countryside-travel.com Cruise Specials BLOG http://www.countryside-travel.com/3834677_6105.htm October 29, 2006 - SLEAZY 4! http://cruisemaster.com/sleazy4.htm February 10, 2007 - Valentine's Group - http://cruisemaster.com/grandeur.htm |
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DICK GOLDHABER IS A LYING SHILL FOR GOLDENBERG. See PROOF here.
George Leppla wrote: "CRETIN ADVERTISER GOLDENBERG" wrote I said he violated USENET Guidelines which apply to ALL newsgroups -- NO ADS. Not quite true. You said he violated "rules and guidelines". I asked you twice to either cite these rules or provide a link.... and you didn't. "Rules" would be pretty easy to understand. "Guidelines" would be open to everyone's interpretation. No problem with your correction, but you missed the POINT that it wasn't at all about USENET rules OR guidelines. Goldhaber's LIE was DG HE decided that Ray broke the rules of the RTC charter. The USENET Guidelines and rules of the RTC charter are not the same! -- George Leppla http://www.countryside-travel.com Perhaps you need to learn to read more carefully. What about Dick Goldhaber's OTHER TWO LIES? You probably argue what Ray Goldenberg did below (and throughout his years of sleazy tactics for his ADs) was ethical and broke no rule too? Ray has used various tactics in the past to form his present SPAM haven, with brown-nosers kissing his derriere. 1996 rec.travel.caribbean Ray tried PRIVATE spamming To which Ray Goldenberg of Spamhouse Travel responded via private email: Hi Craig,(private) Give me a call, if I can be of assistance. I would appreciate your business. Craig For crying out loud! Is this what you do all day? Scan the Craig Caribbean newsgroups for suckers to sell stuff to? ---------------------------------------------------------------------------*------------ In 1997, Ray intimidated other Travel Agents who competed against his ad: Ray Goldenberg , says that this group will boycott my business The reason being that I posted only the URL of my site ---------------------------------------------------------------------------*------------ Really IRONIC and INTERESTING that Ray threatened to BOYCOTT someone who post his business URL. In 1998, Ray refined his intimidation tactic on other TAs to harrassements: Mr. Ray Goldenberg ) continues to "stalk" me via the internet. In the last three weeks I have received no less than 15 onsolicated, harassing e:mails from this individual. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------*--------------- You see, over the years, Ray has built his present SPAMMING Empire in rec.travel.cruises through every DISHONORABLE tactic known to mankind, to have molded the present crop of do-nothing yes-man and Ray-worshippers like piperut and the rest of the rotten gang who recognized Ray's ADS as ADs, but have been threathened, harrassed, and imtimidated into their present submission. I do not yield to AD spamming newsgroup fascists like Ray Goldenberg. I'll spam HIS ADS as long as he spams using his ADs. There are already HUNDREDS of posts in the archives (over the years) complaining about Ray's ADs. None used the BOYCOTT slogans. Ray will get plenty more of those, in time. From me and from others. Then he'll see the effect of BOYCOTT. I hope others will join the BOYCOTT BOYCOTT RAY GOLDENBERG WHO RUDELY ADVERTISES IN RTC BOYCOTT CRETINS WHO RUDELY SPAMS NEWSGROUPS BOYCOTT BUSINESSES THAT ADVERTISE IN RTC AS RAY GOLDENBERT GoldenAd Spammer NOT. Through an anonymous posting ... chicken**** Reef Fish supporter ... How's your brown nose ??? or is his **** green ... ??? Sock puppet is too kind ... Reef Fish's protest of Ray Goldenberg's ADs and SPAM is just BEGINNING to gather supporters, old and new -- but NONE of them is a sockpuppet! You think Chrissy Cruiser is my sockpuppet? LOL. You think John Sisker is my sockpuppet? ROTFLMAO. I don''t even KNOW the other dozen or so who had joined in the protest! Now I know "number6" must be one of Ray's SHILLS. Why anyone wants to support the cretin is beyond me: Ray has used various tactics in the past to form his present SPAM haven, with brown-nosers kissing his derriere. 1996 rec.travel.caribbean Ray tried PRIVATE spamming To which Ray Goldenberg of Spamhouse Travel responded via private email: Hi Craig,(private) Give me a call, if I can be of assistance. I would appreciate your business. Craig For crying out loud! Is this what you do all day? Scan the Craig Caribbean newsgroups for suckers to sell stuff to? ---------------------------------------------------------------------------*------------ In 1997, Ray intimidated other Travel Agents who competed against his ad: Ray Goldenberg , says that this group will boycott my business The reason being that I posted only the URL of my site ---------------------------------------------------------------------------*------------ Really IRONIC and INTERESTING that Ray threatened to BOYCOTT someone who post his business URL. In 1998, Ray refined his intimidation tactic on other TAs to harrassements: Mr. Ray Goldenberg ) continues to "stalk" me via the internet. In the last three weeks I have received no less than 15 onsolicated, harassing e:mails from this individual. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------*--------------- You see, over the years, Ray has built his present SPAMMING Empire in rec.travel.cruises through every DISHONORABLE tactic known to mankind, to have molded the present crop of do-nothing yes-man and Ray-worshippers like piperut and the rest of the rotten gang who recognized Ray's ADS as ADs, but have been threathened, harrassed, and imtimidated into their present submission. I do not yield to AD spamming newsgroup fascists like Ray Goldenberg. I'll spam HIS ADS as long as he spams using his ADs. There are already HUNDREDS of posts in the archives (over the years) complaining about Ray's ADs. None used the BOYCOTT slogans. Ray will get plenty more of those, in time. From me and from others. Then he'll see the effect of BOYCOTT. I hope others will join the BOYCOTT BOYCOTT RAY GOLDENBERG WHO RUDELY ADVERTISES IN RTC BOYCOTT CRETINS WHO RUDELY SPAMS NEWSGROUPS BOYCOTT BUSINESSES THAT ADVERTISE IN RTC AS RAY GOLDENBERT GoldenAd Spammer NOT. |
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DICK GOLDHABER IS A LYING SHILL FOR GOLDENBERG. See PROOF here.
"CRETIN ADVERTISER GOLDENBERG" wrote No problem with your correction, but you missed the POINT that it wasn't at all about USENET rules OR guidelines. No, the point is that you keep talking about "Usenet rules and guidelines" and I have now asked you THREE times to either post the rules and guidelines or provide a link to them. You have yet to do so. -- George Leppla http://www.countryside-travel.com Cruise Specials BLOG http://www.countryside-travel.com/3834677_6105.htm October 29, 2006 - SLEAZY 4! http://cruisemaster.com/sleazy4.htm February 10, 2007 - Valentine's Group - http://cruisemaster.com/grandeur.htm |
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DICK GOLDHABER IS A LYING SHILL FOR GOLDENBERG. See PROOF here.
George Leppla wrote: "CRETIN ADVERTISER GOLDENBERG" wrote No problem with your correction, but you missed the POINT that it wasn't at all about USENET rules OR guidelines. No, the point is that you keep talking about "Usenet rules and guidelines" and I have now asked you THREE times to either post the rules and guidelines or provide a link to them. You have yet to do so. I had answered you at least twice. You were too busy spamming for Ray. Look for it YOURSELF! SHILL! |
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DICK GOLDHABER IS A LYING SHILL FOR GOLDENBERG. See PROOF here.
"CRETIN ADVERTISER GOLDENBERG" wrote I had answered you at least twice. No, you responded to my posts, you never answered the question. This is a question that requires a factual answer, not bombastic rhetoric or opinions. What exactly are the "Usenet rules and guidelines" that you keep referring to and please cite your source or provide a link. You either know or you don't. You are either dealing from a factual position or you aren't. -- George Leppla http://www.countryside-travel.com Cruise Specials BLOG http://www.countryside-travel.com/3834677_6105.htm October 29, 2006 - SLEAZY 4! http://cruisemaster.com/sleazy4.htm February 10, 2007 - Valentine's Group - http://cruisemaster.com/grandeur.htm |
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