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39% of Americans believe Bush should be impeached.
On Sat, 7 Jul 2007 20:11:00 -0700, Matthew L. Martin wrote
(in article ): George Graves wrote: On Sat, 7 Jul 2007 19:03:32 -0700, Sparrow wrote (in article om): Read all about it, he http://Muvy.org OK, I'm all for it. What are the charges? Remember, these have to be legitimate charges, instances where he broke US law. That is not what the US Constitution says. It says: the President, Vice President, and all civil officers of the United States shall be removed from office on impeachment for, and conviction of, treason, bribery, or other high crimes and misdemeanors.” "high crimes and misdemeanors" means whatever a majority of the House of Representatives says it means (See: impeachment of Bill Clinton). I'm not going to get sucked-in to this argument again, but Clinton was impeached because he committed perjury before a grand jury - a felony in every court in the country. The part that shows that this system works is that the impeachment failed because of the extenuating circumstances. |
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39% of Americans believe Bush should be impeached.
On Sat, 7 Jul 2007 21:09:36 -0700, James wrote
(in article .com): On Jul 7, 7:03 pm, Sparrow wrote: 39% of Americans believe Bush should be impeached. Read all about it, hehttp://Muvy.org The linked article says, "Americans under 30 are far more supportive of impeachment than their elders. Among those youngest adults, 56% believe the President should be impeached and removed from office." America has a bright future. Our youth is smarter and wiser than the older generation. They just don't know (or seem to care about) the law. I wouldn't gloat about that were I you. |
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39% of Americans believe Bush should be impeached.
"George Graves" wrote in message . net... On Sat, 7 Jul 2007 21:09:36 -0700, James wrote (in article .com): On Jul 7, 7:03 pm, Sparrow wrote: 39% of Americans believe Bush should be impeached. Read all about it, hehttp://Muvy.org The linked article says, "Americans under 30 are far more supportive of impeachment than their elders. Among those youngest adults, 56% believe the President should be impeached and removed from office." America has a bright future. Our youth is smarter and wiser than the older generation. They just don't know (or seem to care about) the law. I wouldn't gloat about that were I you. Agreed. On average, the YOUNGER, the stupider and more ignorant and NAIVE a person is. Minimum age to vote should be 35. |
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39% of Americans believe Bush should be impeached.
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George Graves wrote: On Sat, 7 Jul 2007 19:03:32 -0700, Sparrow wrote (in article om): Read all about it, he http://Muvy.org OK, I'm all for it. What are the charges? Remember, these have to be legitimate charges, instances where he broke US law. Wikipedia has a nice list of potential charges: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Movemen...Bush#Rationale s_for_impeachment The ones that potentially involve explicit violations of US law: 1) Warrantless surveillance (violates FISA). 2) Violations of the UN Charter (remember, treaties are US law). 3) Violations of the Geneva Convention (ditto). 4) Commuting Libby's sentence (if done to prevent Libby from turning state's evidence, it represents obstruction of justice). 5) Politicization of the United States attorney offices, in a scheme possibly involving voter suppression and a subsequent coverup. 6) Signing statements (the executive is not allowed to rewrite laws). As of this week, you'll almost certainly be able to add to that willfully ignoring subpoenas lawfully issued by the US Congress. If the political will was there to impeach, any of the above could serve as a constitutionally valid justification. Remember, impeachment doesn't function according to a "reasonable doubt" standard; it functions according to whatever standard Congress wants. [snip] -- "That's George Washington, the first president, of course. The interesting thing about him is that I read three--three or four books about him last year. Isn't that interesting?" - George W. Bush to reporter Kai Diekmann, May 5, 2006 |
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39% of Americans believe Bush should be impeached.
On Sun, 08 Jul 2007 07:31:38 +0000, sharx35 wrote:
Agreed. On average, the YOUNGER, the stupider and more ignorant and NAIVE a person is. Minimum age to vote should be 35. Add to that an IQ over 130. And to run, over 140. Disallow all but individual contributions. A line item veto fro both the pres and the house. I would say shoot all crooked officials but then there would be no one to run the country. Yeah, it's gotten almost that bad. -- Want the ultimate in free OTA SD/HDTV Recorder? http://mythtv.org http://mysettopbox.tv/knoppmyth.html Usenet alt.video.ptv.mythtv My server http://wesnewell.no-ip.com/cpu.php HD Tivo S3 compared http://wesnewell.no-ip.com/mythtivo.htm |
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39% of Americans believe Bush should be impeached.
George Graves wrote:
On Sat, 7 Jul 2007 20:11:00 -0700, Matthew L. Martin wrote (in article ): George Graves wrote: On Sat, 7 Jul 2007 19:03:32 -0700, Sparrow wrote (in article om): Read all about it, he http://Muvy.org OK, I'm all for it. What are the charges? Remember, these have to be legitimate charges, instances where he broke US law. That is not what the US Constitution says. It says: the President, Vice President, and all civil officers of the United States shall be removed from office on impeachment for, and conviction of, treason, bribery, or other high crimes and misdemeanors.� "high crimes and misdemeanors" means whatever a majority of the House of Representatives says it means (See: impeachment of Bill Clinton). I'm not going to get sucked-in to this argument again, but Clinton was impeached because he committed perjury before a grand jury - a felony in every court in the country. The only offenses specifically called out in the Constitution are, as stated above: Treason -- Clearly defined in the Constitution Bribery -- Selling the power of the president Note: Getting caught in a perjury trap is not specified. All other High Crimes and Misdemeanors are not defined. They are, indeed, whatever a majority of the House of Representatives say they are. In Bill Clinton's case, the House said that perjury is an impeachable offense and impeached him. The Republican Senate declined to convict. The fact that they couldn't muster a bare majority was a message to the House: Get Real. The part that shows that this system works is that the impeachment failed because of the extenuating circumstances. Yes. I find it amazing that so many "law and order" conservative thing that Scooter Libby was persecuted and that the millions spent trying to find something, anything, to impeach Bill Clinton was money and time well spent. Matthew -- I'm a consultant. If you want an opinion I'll sell you one. Which one do you want? |
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39% of Americans believe Bush should be impeached.
Sparrow wrote:
Read all about it, he http://Muvy.org One reason not to do this: Dick Cheney. Matthew -- I'm a consultant. If you want an opinion I'll sell you one. Which one do you want? |
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39% of Americans believe Bush should be impeached.
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George Graves wrote: On Sat, 7 Jul 2007 19:03:32 -0700, Sparrow wrote (in article om): Read all about it, he http://Muvy.org OK, I'm all for it. What are the charges? Remember, these have to be legitimate charges, instances where he broke US law. You can't impeach a president because you disagree with his policies. What we need in this country is a recall procedure where the people can vote "no confidence" to a sitting administration like they do in Great Britain. Then, the president doesn't need to be guilty of a crime, he just needs to not please the citizenry with his policies. The problem with that is every other month there would be an election since no president seem to last any longer then that before some vocal group disagree with their policies. -- regarding Snit "You are not flamed because you speak the truth, you are flamed because you are a hideous troll and keep disrupting the newsgroup." Andrew J. Brehm |
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39% of Americans believe Bush should be impeached.
On Sat, 7 Jul 2007 23:25:10 -0700, George Graves
wrote: On Sat, 7 Jul 2007 20:11:00 -0700, Matthew L. Martin wrote (in article ): George Graves wrote: On Sat, 7 Jul 2007 19:03:32 -0700, Sparrow wrote (in article om): Read all about it, he http://Muvy.org OK, I'm all for it. What are the charges? Remember, these have to be legitimate charges, instances where he broke US law. That is not what the US Constitution says. It says: the President, Vice President, and all civil officers of the United States shall be removed from office on impeachment for, and conviction of, treason, bribery, or other high crimes and misdemeanors.” "high crimes and misdemeanors" means whatever a majority of the House of Representatives says it means (See: impeachment of Bill Clinton). I'm not going to get sucked-in to this argument again, but Clinton was impeached because he committed perjury before a grand jury - No he didn't. a felony in every court in the country. The part that shows that this system works is that the impeachment failed because of the extenuating circumstances. He was found NOT GUILTY! Thumper |
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39% of Americans believe Bush should be impeached.
"James Davis" wrote in message ups.com... On Jul 7, 9:34 pm, George Graves wrote: What we need in this country is a recall procedure where the people can vote "no confidence" to a sitting administration like they do in Great Britain. Right now about 30% of Americans are very happy with President Bush, who was elected by a 51% majority. While I personally believe he's a moron, there is no rule that says it's undemocratic for a president to only please 30% of the population. There could be some time in the future where angering 70% of the population is the right thing to do. If you had to please the majority of people, then we wouldn't even elect presidents. We would just vote on issues and the majority vote would decide what to do. It would be unfair to the 30% of Americans who like Bush to impeach him unless he has done something illegal. He won the vote, so he is the president. Besides, he doesn't have any power to do anything that 70% of Congress disagrees with. If his actions are so bad, they can be democratically overridden by others. You can't just do away with the rules of democracy because they are giving you the results you want. Bush is hoping that History will "exonerate" him. Unfortunately, he's going to have to live out the rest of his life with the knowledge that he was the Worst, ****ing Asshole President, this country ever had. |
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