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Old March 2nd, 2004, 07:31 PM
Jerry Brewster
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Well the people who flew the plane into a building did it for a terrorist
organization, making them, ahem, "Terrorists" and there act therefore
"Terrorism".

The man driving his car into a building as doing it as a "Suicide" making
him "Suicidal" not a terrorist. His goal was not to instill terror in the
minds of the peaceful, but to end his own life. Something you should really
check into.


"Dr. Jai Maharaj" wrote in message
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In article ,
"PTRAVEL" posted:
. . .
". . . it was not an act of terrorism."


Flying a plane into a building is terrorism but
crashing an automobile into an airport and setting
it on fire isn't?

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Old March 2nd, 2004, 08:56 PM
Dr. Jai Maharaj
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In article ,
"PTRAVEL" posted:

Dr. Jai Maharaj wrote in message
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In article ,
"PTRAVEL" posted:
. . .
". . . it was not an act of terrorism."


Flying a plane into a building is terrorism but
crashing an automobile into an airport and setting
it on fire isn't?


Not if there's no political purpose behind the act. One lunatic
committing mayhem isn't a terrorist, only a criminal.


Were the 9-11 attacks acts of terrorism? If so, what was the
"political purpose" (using your qualification) related to them,
and if any, how are you privy to the intentions of the terrorists?

Jai Maharaj
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Om Shanti
  #13  
Old March 2nd, 2004, 09:07 PM
Dr. Jai Maharaj
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In article ,
"Jerry Brewster" posted:

Dr. Jai Maharaj posted:
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In article ,
"PTRAVEL" posted:
. . .
". . . it was not an act of terrorism."


Flying a plane into a building is terrorism but
crashing an automobile into an airport and setting
it on fire isn't? - Jai Maharaj


Well the people who flew the plane into a building did it for a terrorist
organization, making them, ahem, "Terrorists" and there act therefore
"Terrorism".
The man driving his car into a building as doing it as a "Suicide" making
him "Suicidal" not a terrorist. His goal was not to instill terror in the
minds of the peaceful, but to end his own life. Something you should really
check into. - "Jerry Brewster"


As far as your suicide as a condition for a crime to be called
a terrorist act goes, the 9-11 terrorists also intended to commit
suicide -- and succeeded. And as far as your condition of belonging
to an organization is concerned, it simply isn't valid because
individuals acting alone are often charged with terroristic threatening
and terrorist crimes.

Jai Maharaj
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Om Shanti
  #14  
Old March 3rd, 2004, 03:56 AM
PTRAVEL
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"Dr. Jai Maharaj" wrote in message
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In article ,
"PTRAVEL" posted:

Dr. Jai Maharaj wrote in message
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In article ,
"PTRAVEL" posted:
. . .
". . . it was not an act of terrorism."


Flying a plane into a building is terrorism but
crashing an automobile into an airport and setting
it on fire isn't?


Not if there's no political purpose behind the act. One lunatic
committing mayhem isn't a terrorist, only a criminal.


Were the 9-11 attacks acts of terrorism?


Obviously.

If so, what was the
"political purpose" (using your qualification) related to them,
and if any, how are you privy to the intentions of the terrorists?


Bin Laden and Al Qaeda's political aims have been publicized for years -- do
you really not know? They oppose the American presence in Saudi Arabia, the
influence of the West in Muslim nations, and Israel -- their desire is to
provoke a holy war between Islam and "infidel" nations.



Jai Maharaj
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Om Shanti



  #15  
Old March 3rd, 2004, 04:13 AM
Dr. Jai Maharaj
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Forwarded messages:
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Isn't this sort of thing terrorism almost by definition?

I mean, what else could it be?

D

Posted on 02/29/2004 9:56:52 PM PST by daviddennis

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Why is this not considered terrorism? And the muslim
Snipers, and the muslim 4th of July el Al shooter?

Because somebody important at the FBI has a big promotion
riding on a claim that there were no terrorist events in
the USA since 9/11. Sure is easy to make a problem go
away by changing the definition of the problem...

Posted on 03/01/2004 7:04:28 AM PST by rageaholic

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1088126/posts

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End of forwarded messages

Jai Maharaj
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Om Shanti
  #16  
Old March 3rd, 2004, 04:24 AM
Dr. Jai Maharaj
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In article ,
"PTRAVEL" posted from
adsl-69-105-125-1.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net:

Dr. Jai Maharaj wrote in message
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In article ,
"PTRAVEL" posted:


Dr. Jai Maharaj wrote in message
...


In article ,
"PTRAVEL" posted:
. . .
". . . it was not an act of terrorism."


Flying a plane into a building is terrorism but
crashing an automobile into an airport and setting
it on fire isn't?


Not if there's no political purpose behind the act. One lunatic
committing mayhem isn't a terrorist, only a criminal.


Were the 9-11 attacks acts of terrorism?


Obviously.


By which definition?

If so, what was the
"political purpose" (using your qualification) related to them,
and if any, how are you privy to the intentions of the terrorists?


Bin Laden and Al Qaeda's political aims have been publicized for years -- do
you really not know? They oppose the American presence in Saudi Arabia, the
influence of the West in Muslim nations, and Israel -- their desire is to
provoke a holy war between Islam and "infidel" nations.


What is the evidence (not speculation, however on-target
it is) of a political purpose behind the 9-11 attacks? Do
you know something that the 9-11 commission hasn't found
yet? There are news reports that Pakistan financed the
attacks; what evidence is there to back up your claims?
Above, you refer to a "holy war" -- now that is
religious, not political. Are you not confused about
what you claim? Or do you possess specific information
about the 9-11 attacks that the government needs to know
from you?

Facts about terrorist Islam and Muslims:

http://www.flex.com/~jai/satyamevajayate

Jai Maharaj
http://www.mantra.com/jai
Om Shanti
  #17  
Old March 3rd, 2004, 04:57 AM
Frank F. Matthews
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PTRAVEL wrote:

"Dr. Jai Maharaj" wrote in message
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In article ,
"PTRAVEL" posted:


". . . it was not an act of terrorism."


Flying a plane into a building is terrorism but
crashing an automobile into an airport and setting
it on fire isn't?


Not if there's no political purpose behind the act. One lunatic committing
mayhem isn't a terrorist, only a criminal.


And not even criminal if it is indeed a lunatic. FFM

Jai Maharaj
http://www.mantra.com/jai
Om Shanti

Jai Maharaj
http://www.mantra.com/jai
Om Shanti



Dr. Jai Maharaj wrote in message
...

Man Plows SUV Into Maui Airport, Ignites Fire

http://tinyurl.com/yvb5z

Or,



http://www.democraticunderground.com...ew_all&address

=102x392196

Jai Maharaj
http://www.mantra.com/jai
Om Shanti





  #18  
Old March 3rd, 2004, 08:17 AM
PTRAVEL
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"Dr. Jai Maharaj" wrote in message
...
In article ,
"PTRAVEL" posted from
adsl-69-105-125-1.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net:

Dr. Jai Maharaj wrote in message
...


In article ,
"PTRAVEL" posted:


Dr. Jai Maharaj wrote in message
...


In article ,
"PTRAVEL" posted:
. . .
". . . it was not an act of terrorism."


Flying a plane into a building is terrorism but
crashing an automobile into an airport and setting
it on fire isn't?


Not if there's no political purpose behind the act. One lunatic
committing mayhem isn't a terrorist, only a criminal.


Were the 9-11 attacks acts of terrorism?


Obviously.


By which definition?

If so, what was the
"political purpose" (using your qualification) related to them,
and if any, how are you privy to the intentions of the terrorists?


Bin Laden and Al Qaeda's political aims have been publicized for

years -- do
you really not know? They oppose the American presence in Saudi Arabia,

the
influence of the West in Muslim nations, and Israel -- their desire is

to
provoke a holy war between Islam and "infidel" nations.


What is the evidence (not speculation, however on-target
it is) of a political purpose behind the 9-11 attacks?


You mean aside from the multiple statements from Al Qaeda?

Do
you know something that the 9-11 commission hasn't found
yet?


I know the same things that anyone who has watched the news in the last 3
years knows.

There are news reports that Pakistan financed the
attacks; what evidence is there to back up your claims?


Not on any reputable news service that I've seen.

Above, you refer to a "holy war" -- now that is
religious, not political.


Same thing.

Are you not confused about
what you claim?


No. You're playing semantic games.

Or do you possess specific information
about the 9-11 attacks that the government needs to know
from you?


No, but clearly I (along with anyone else who has consulted _reputable_ news
services in the last 3 years) have a lot of information that, evidently, you
need to know.


Facts about terrorist Islam and Muslims:

http://www.flex.com/~jai/satyamevajayate

Jai Maharaj
http://www.mantra.com/jai
Om Shanti



  #19  
Old March 3rd, 2004, 08:40 AM
Dr. Jai Maharaj
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In article ,
"PTRAVEL" posted:

Dr. Jai Maharaj posted
...


In article ,
"PTRAVEL" posted from
adsl-69-105-125-1.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net:


Dr. Jai Maharaj wrote in message
...


In article ,
"PTRAVEL" posted:


Dr. Jai Maharaj wrote in message
...


In article ,
"PTRAVEL" posted:
. . .
". . . it was not an act of terrorism."


Flying a plane into a building is terrorism but
crashing an automobile into an airport and setting
it on fire isn't?


Not if there's no political purpose behind the act. One lunatic
committing mayhem isn't a terrorist, only a criminal.


Were the 9-11 attacks acts of terrorism?


Obviously.


By which definition?


[PTRAVEL didn't answer the question.]

If so, what was the
"political purpose" (using your qualification) related to them,
and if any, how are you privy to the intentions of the terrorists?


Bin Laden and Al Qaeda's political aims have been publicized for
years -- do you really not know? They oppose the American presence
in Saudi Arabia, the influence of the West in Muslim nations, and
Israel -- their desire is to provoke a holy war between Islam and
"infidel" nations.


What is the evidence (not speculation, however on-target
it is) of a political purpose behind the 9-11 attacks?


You mean aside from the multiple statements from Al Qaeda?


Which statements, written by whom? What proof of their
authenticity exists, if any?

Do
you know something that the 9-11 commission hasn't found
yet?


I know the same things that anyone who has watched the news
in the last 3 years knows.


Who said that their motives were political?

There are news reports that Pakistan financed the
attacks; what evidence is there to back up your claims?


Not on any reputable news service that I've seen.


Here's one that points to the Pakistan connection:

9/11: The Pakistan connection

By Wilson John
Editorial
The Pioneer
Wednesday, August 6, 2003

On July 31, 2003, Mr John S Pistole, Deputy Assistant
Director, Counter-terrorism Division, Federal Bureau of
Investigation, testified before the US Senate Committee
on Government Affairs on 'Terrorism Financing:
Origination, Organisation and Prevention'. One of the key
findings he referred to was the link between the
terrorists involved in the September 11, 2001 attacks and
Pakistan. Though Mr Pistole chose not to divulge too many
details of the FBI investigations, his conclusions were
revealing.

"A continuing investigation," said Mr Pistole, "in
coordination with the PENTTBOMB Team has traced the
origin of the funding of 9/11 back to financial accounts
in Pakistan where high-ranking and well-known Al Qaeda
operatives played a major role in moving the money
forward, eventually into the hands of the hijackers
located in the US ... The financial investigation also
provided the first links between Ramzi Binalshibh and the
9/11 operations."

As expected, the FBI testimony provoked media speculation
across the globe, especially in India where it was widely
believed that terrorist elements within Pakistan, in
collaboration with the ISI and the Pakistani Army, were
deeply involved in 9/11 attacks. Interestingly, these
facts were known to the American and Indian intelligence
agencies long before the FBI or the Senate investigations
into 9/11 could even begin. The Pioneer had traced
several of these links in early 2002, working solely on
the information available in the public domain.

Following the links more closely, I had discovered
several connections that existed between the 9/11
operatives and Pakistan, which was developed into a
report for the Observer Research Foundation in December
last. This report, soon to be released, detailed the
movements of three individuals closely involved in
planning the terrorist attack on the US.

Said Bahaji, a German of Moroccan origin, was one of
them. He flew into Karachi's Qaid-e-Azam International
Airport on a Turkish Airlines flight from Istanbul a week
before September 11, 2001. There were four other men with
him. Three of them took up a room (No 318) at Hotel
Embassy. The two others stayed at a house in Gulshan-e-
Iqbal, a posh colony in Karachi. One of them was Ramzi
Binalshibh, a key figure in the entire 9/11 plot.

Bahaji and his room-mates checked out of the hotel the
next day, after the former had called a Hamburg number
and e-mailed a note to his 21-year old wife, Nese, in
Hamburg. Bahaji took a Pakistan Airlines flight to Quetta
and, since then, has been on the Most Wanted List of the
CIA and FBI. Bahaji was one of the anonymous warriors of
the Al Qaeda. Twenty six-year-old Bahaji was fluent in
four languages, had been in the German Army for a year
and pursued a course in Computer Science at Hamburg's
Technical University. He was a close associate of
Mohammad Atta, the leader of the 9/11 pack of hijackers.
Bahaji was one of the coordinators, facilitating false ID
papers, cash, visas and transport. He networked with
other Al Qaeda cells across the world to finetune the
operations.

Though the CIA and the FBI have given much weight to the
Al Qaeda's secret meeting at a condominium outside Kuala
Lumpur, Malaysia, where, it is said, the final plans for
the hijack attack were formulated, not much attention has
been paid to the meeting at Hotel Embassy in Karachi a
week before the attack. It was, in all probability, a
meeting to tie up loose ends before the countdown to the
attack, especially after the arrest of Zacarias
Moussaoui, the 20th hijacker who was caught on suspicion
on August 16, 2001, by the US authorities.

Moussaoui was one of the key planners of 9/11. What is
intriguing is the identity of the people who checked into
Hotel Embassy with Bahaji. According to the German
authorities, Bahaji's three companions were Mohammad
Sarwar Joia alias Patrick Joia, Abdellah Hosayni and
Ammar Moula. These were fake identities. While there is
information that Patrick left Karachi within a month of
9/11, Hosayni and Moula disappeared into Karachi.

Hotel Embassy had another mysterious guest during the
same time Bahaji and his friends were in: An Algerian
identified as Mohammed Belfatmi who too had come from
Istanbul. He stayed at a room below Bahaji's and checked
out soon after Bahaji and his room-mates left the hotel.
Belfatmi is yet to be caught.

On September 11, 2001, a few hours before the World Trade
Centre twin towers were attacked in New York, one Mustafa
Ahmed al-Hawsawi landed in Karachi. A Saudi national,
Hawsawi was the finance manager of the 9/11 operations.
There is clear evidence that he moved several thousand
dollars from a Standard Chartered Bank account in the UAE
to Florida's SunTrust account operated by Atta and
others. Working from Dubai, he had couriered ATM and
credit cards to Atta and his group in the US for paying
for flight training schools, buying simulators and
equipment like the Global Positioning System, and for
booking tickets on flights taking off from various
destinations on September 11.

One man who coordinated all these activities from Karachi
was Ramzi Binalshibh. Ramzi was a close associate of Atta
and Bahaji and coordinated financial transactions with
Hawsawi. A nephew of Khaled Mohammed Sheikh (one of the
operations managers of the Al Qaeda who first conceived
the idea of hijacking aircraft and dive-bombing them into
tall buildings), he was a member of Atta's Hamburg cell
and the only one to attend the meetings at Kuala Lumpur
in January 2000 and Spain in July 2001. It was originally
planned Ramzi would be a part of the Atta team, but he
could not get a visa to enter the US. His visa
application was rejected four times. Ramzi was then
designated as coordinator and sent to Karachi, where he
activated a dormant Al Qaeda cell with the help of the
Lashkar-e-Jhangvi and other sectarian and terrorist
groups operating in Pakistan.

This Karachi cell had two primary objectives: To
coordinate the September 11 attack and to figure out an
escape plan after it. Besides coordinating the pre-9/11
activities involving Bahaji and his room-mates, (Atta and
others too had passed through Karachi in December 1999 en
route to training camps in Afghanistan), the Karachi cell
was busy finding sources of funds for the operations. One
of the fund raisers was Syed Omar Sheikh, the main
accused in the Daniel Pearl murder case and one of the
figureheads in the Jaish-e-Mohammed, the banned terrorist
organisation responsible for several terrorist attacks in
Kashmir and other areas in India.

Sheikh used his contact in India, Aftab Ansari, a don
from Mumbai, to collect funds. Ansari used his henchman,
Asif Reza Khan, to kidnap a Kolkata tycoon, Partho Pratim
Burman, who paid several crores for his release. From
that booty, about $100,000 was wired to Atta. Atta
returned $15,600 through hawala channels a few days
before he dive-bombed the WTC towers in Manhattan. The
money was wired to a bank in Karachi, from where it was
withdrawn through three ATM withdrawals within two days
of the attack. The person who withdrew the money was
Mustafa Ahmed al-Hawsawi.

Could these operations have been carried out without the
knowledge of the omnipresent ISI, which surely must have
kept its chief informed about the activities? Certainly,
the answer is no. Simply because all the above links were
drawn from news reports in the Pakistani media. It would,
therefore, be naive to believe that the ISI and President
Pervez Musharraf were not aware of the activities of the
9/11 plotters in Pakistan, and this is what the FBI and
the CIA would not like to divulge. At least for the
moment.
http://www.dailypioneer.com

Above, you refer to a "holy war" -- now that is
religious, not political.


Same thing.


So, to you religion and politics are the same? Check the
dictionary (for starters) to learn that they aren't.

Are you not confused about
what you claim?


No. You're playing semantic games.


Not calling politics and religion the same is not a "semantic game".
You seem to not understand the meaning of basic words.

Or do you possess specific information
about the 9-11 attacks that the government needs to know
from you?


No, but clearly I (along with anyone else who has consulted _reputable_ news
services in the last 3 years) have a lot of information that, evidently, you
need to know.


What information? What specific information?

Facts about terrorist Islam and Muslims
http://www.flex.com/~jai/satyamevajayate

Jai Maharaj
http://www.mantra.com/jai
Om Shanti
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Old March 3rd, 2004, 05:26 PM
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Dr. Jai Maharaj wrote:

Who cares what he said.
Can't someone put this clown into a woodchipper?

 




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