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Istanbul and Gallipoli
On Jun 4, 3:22*pm, Norman Spiney wrote:
On 4 Jun, 12:05, grusl wrote: On Jun 4, 2:37 pm, Norman Spiney wrote: On 4 Jun, 11:22, "grusl" wrote: I'm off to Istanbul for a few days this month. First visit to Turkey and basically a spur-of-the-moment idea while my wife is visiting her mother. I'm flying BLR-IST with GF (two four-hour hops with a two hour layover in BAH and, being GF, will no doubt be late), which cost INR40,000 - about USD1000 - and staying at the Turing Ayasofya Konaklari in Sogukçesme sokagi in the Sultanahmet district at EUR120 per night. (No doubt those diacritics won't come out). In the middle of the stay I'm planning for an overnight trip to Gallipoli via Canakkale. The hotel says it does group tours, which I don't especially mind in an unfamiliar country (and especially if there are knowledgable veterans on the tour ... not from the original 1915 conflict of course), but if anyone knows a more interesting way to see the battlefield sites and memorials I'm listening. I'm OK with bus, train or car options. I have the LP guide to Istanbul and I'm basically interested in the city's history, architecture, art, museums, walking, and eating and drinking (restaurant and raki bar recommendations welcome; I'm completely omnivorous). I'm not a shopper. I take photos but not well. My brief research into Canakkale gives the general impression it's a swinging university town but I may have to adjust that for local sentiments. Cheers, George W Russell Bangalore all that time and expense just to see some graves ?!- Hide quoted text - Yes, I suppose Westminster Abbey falls into the same category. The time is negligible - overnight - and I don't know about the cost yet. Cheers, George W Russell Bangalore Westminster Abbey is a large historic building in the centre of London.... Gallipoli is overrated, Pergammon / Goreme / *Pamukkale are much more interesting- I'm sure Gallipoli is larger than Westminster. Anyway, I think London is overrated. Cheers, George W Russell Bangalore |
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"Alan S" wrote in message ... On Wed, 4 Jun 2008 15:23:51 +0530, "grusl" wrote: "Alan S" wrote in message . .. On Wed, 4 Jun 2008 14:52:10 +0530, "grusl" wrote: I'm off to Istanbul for a few days this month. First visit to Turkey and basically a spur-of-the-moment idea while my wife is visiting her mother. I'm flying BLR-IST with GF (two four-hour hops with a two hour layover in BAH and, being GF, will no doubt be late), which cost INR40,000 - about USD1000 - and staying at the Turing Ayasofya Konaklari in Sogukçesme sokagi in the Sultanahmet district at EUR120 per night. (No doubt those diacritics won't come out). In the middle of the stay I'm planning for an overnight trip to Gallipoli via Canakkale. The hotel says it does group tours, which I don't especially mind in an unfamiliar country (and especially if there are knowledgable veterans on the tour ... not from the original 1915 conflict of course), but if anyone knows a more interesting way to see the battlefield sites and memorials I'm listening. I'm OK with bus, train or car options. I have the LP guide to Istanbul and I'm basically interested in the city's history, architecture, art, museums, walking, and eating and drinking (restaurant and raki bar recommendations welcome; I'm completely omnivorous). I'm not a shopper. I take photos but not well. My brief research into Canakkale gives the general impression it's a swinging university town but I may have to adjust that for local sentiments. Cheers, George W Russell Bangalore Hi George My mum just got back from Gallipoli, but she was on a group tour so that may not be a lot of help. I'll see what I can find out. She's not really into the swinging scene:-) In the meantime, I visited Istanbul back in 2006. Maybe these will offer some ideas: http://loraltravel.blogspot.com/2006...re-turkey.html Thanks. I could caption most of your HK photos if you like. I hope you pointed out the koalas climbing the Lippo Centre (formerly Bond Centre). Cheers, George W Russell Bangalore Missed them (I'm sure you'll elaborate:-) You have a photo of them. See the three buildings horizontally, above where it says: "Then there were the buildings. I enjoy looking at buildings, old and new, comparing styles and architecture."? At right is the new Bank of China, HSBC in the middle and on the left is the Lippo Centre. See the six koalas hugging it, three on each side? Cheers, George W Russell Bangalore |
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On 4 Jun, 13:27, grusl wrote:
On Jun 4, 3:22 pm, Norman Spiney wrote: On 4 Jun, 12:05, grusl wrote: On Jun 4, 2:37 pm, Norman Spiney wrote: On 4 Jun, 11:22, "grusl" wrote: I'm off to Istanbul for a few days this month. First visit to Turkey and basically a spur-of-the-moment idea while my wife is visiting her mother. I'm flying BLR-IST with GF (two four-hour hops with a two hour layover in BAH and, being GF, will no doubt be late), which cost INR40,000 - about USD1000 - and staying at the Turing Ayasofya Konaklari in Sogukçesme sokagi in the Sultanahmet district at EUR120 per night. (No doubt those diacritics won't come out). In the middle of the stay I'm planning for an overnight trip to Gallipoli via Canakkale. The hotel says it does group tours, which I don't especially mind in an unfamiliar country (and especially if there are knowledgable veterans on the tour ... not from the original 1915 conflict of course), but if anyone knows a more interesting way to see the battlefield sites and memorials I'm listening. I'm OK with bus, train or car options. I have the LP guide to Istanbul and I'm basically interested in the city's history, architecture, art, museums, walking, and eating and drinking (restaurant and raki bar recommendations welcome; I'm completely omnivorous). I'm not a shopper. I take photos but not well. My brief research into Canakkale gives the general impression it's a swinging university town but I may have to adjust that for local sentiments.. Cheers, George W Russell Bangalore all that time and expense just to see some graves ?!- Hide quoted text - Yes, I suppose Westminster Abbey falls into the same category. The time is negligible - overnight - and I don't know about the cost yet. Cheers, George W Russell Bangalore Westminster Abbey is a large historic building in the centre of London.... Gallipoli is overrated, Pergammon / Goreme / Pamukkale are much more interesting- I'm sure Gallipoli is larger than Westminster. Anyway, I think London is overrated. Cheers, George W Russell Bangalore ....Gallipoli is a large field,zzzzzzz, but if you insist on going at least drop in on the Turks as well, it'll make your driver happy |
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On Wed, 4 Jun 2008, Viviane wrote:
If you are not from Australia, it is hard to understand the devastation caused by the first world war. I doubt any italian/austrian/french/german/polish/russian/belgian etc. will have any difficulty in that. At least those of a certain age. -- ---------------------------------------------------------------------- is a newsreading account used by more persons to avoid unwanted spam. Any mail returning to this address will be rejected. Users can disclose their e-mail address in the article if they wish so. |
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On 4 Jun, 13:03, "Viviane" wrote:
That's a pretty tasteless comment. Those graves mean a lot to those visiting Gallipoli, particularly Australians and New Zealanders, who lost many men there. fine, but 'Gelibolu' is not interesting to me.... Tours there are becoming increasingly popular, particularly in the lead up to the centenary of the battle. The good thing is that it is kindling an interest in history, even the bad bits. there is much better and more scenic history in other parts of Turkey If you are not from Australia, it is hard to understand the devastation caused by the first world war oh really.... |
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On Jun 4, 4:33*pm, Norman Spiney wrote:
On 4 Jun, 13:27, grusl wrote: On Jun 4, 3:22 pm, Norman Spiney wrote: On 4 Jun, 12:05, grusl wrote: On Jun 4, 2:37 pm, Norman Spiney wrote: On 4 Jun, 11:22, "grusl" wrote: I'm off to Istanbul for a few days this month. First visit to Turkey and basically a spur-of-the-moment idea while my wife is visiting her mother. I'm flying BLR-IST with GF (two four-hour hops with a two hour layover in BAH and, being GF, will no doubt be late), which cost INR40,000 - about USD1000 - and staying at the Turing Ayasofya Konaklari in Sogukçesme sokagi in the Sultanahmet district at EUR120 per night. (No doubt those diacritics won't come out). In the middle of the stay I'm planning for an overnight trip to Gallipoli via Canakkale. The hotel says it does group tours, which I don't especially mind in an unfamiliar country (and especially if there are knowledgable veterans on the tour ... not from the original 1915 conflict of course), but if anyone knows a more interesting way to see the battlefield sites and memorials I'm listening. I'm OK with bus, train or car options. I have the LP guide to Istanbul and I'm basically interested in the city's history, architecture, art, museums, walking, and eating and drinking (restaurant and raki bar recommendations welcome; I'm completely omnivorous). I'm not a shopper. I take photos but not well. My brief research into Canakkale gives the general impression it's a swinging university town but I may have to adjust that for local sentiments. Cheers, George W Russell Bangalore all that time and expense just to see some graves ?!- Hide quoted text - Yes, I suppose Westminster Abbey falls into the same category. The time is negligible - overnight - and I don't know about the cost yet. Cheers, George W Russell Bangalore Westminster Abbey is a large historic building in the centre of London.... Gallipoli is overrated, Pergammon / Goreme / *Pamukkale are much more interesting- I'm sure Gallipoli is larger than Westminster. Anyway, I think London is overrated. ....Gallipoli is a large field,zzzzzzz, but if you insist on going at least drop in on the Turks as well, it'll make your driver happy- Hide quoted text - Westminster is a large church zzzzzzzzzzz I imagine I will see the occasional Turk with a week in Istanbul. Cheers, George W Russell Bangalore |
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On 4 Jun, 13:49, grusl wrote:
On Jun 4, 4:33 pm, Norman Spiney wrote: On 4 Jun, 13:27, grusl wrote: On Jun 4, 3:22 pm, Norman Spiney wrote: On 4 Jun, 12:05, grusl wrote: On Jun 4, 2:37 pm, Norman Spiney wrote: On 4 Jun, 11:22, "grusl" wrote: I'm off to Istanbul for a few days this month. First visit to Turkey and basically a spur-of-the-moment idea while my wife is visiting her mother. I'm flying BLR-IST with GF (two four-hour hops with a two hour layover in BAH and, being GF, will no doubt be late), which cost INR40,000 - about USD1000 - and staying at the Turing Ayasofya Konaklari in Sogukçesme sokagi in the Sultanahmet district at EUR120 per night. (No doubt those diacritics won't come out). In the middle of the stay I'm planning for an overnight trip to Gallipoli via Canakkale. The hotel says it does group tours, which I don't especially mind in an unfamiliar country (and especially if there are knowledgable veterans on the tour ... not from the original 1915 conflict of course), but if anyone knows a more interesting way to see the battlefield sites and memorials I'm listening. I'm OK with bus, train or car options.. I have the LP guide to Istanbul and I'm basically interested in the city's history, architecture, art, museums, walking, and eating and drinking (restaurant and raki bar recommendations welcome; I'm completely omnivorous). I'm not a shopper. I take photos but not well. My brief research into Canakkale gives the general impression it's a swinging university town but I may have to adjust that for local sentiments. Cheers, George W Russell Bangalore all that time and expense just to see some graves ?!- Hide quoted text - Yes, I suppose Westminster Abbey falls into the same category. The time is negligible - overnight - and I don't know about the cost yet. Cheers, George W Russell Bangalore Westminster Abbey is a large historic building in the centre of London.... Gallipoli is overrated, Pergammon / Goreme / Pamukkale are much more interesting- I'm sure Gallipoli is larger than Westminster. Anyway, I think London is overrated. ....Gallipoli is a large field,zzzzzzz, but if you insist on going at least drop in on the Turks as well, it'll make your driver happy- Hide quoted text - Westminster is a large church zzzzzzzzzzz indeed, and thats about 30 minutes of site seeing for no extra effort. I imagine I will see the occasional Turk with a week in Istanbul. ah, but they wont buried in a field.... |
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On Jun 4, 4:40*pm, Giovanni Drogo
wrote: On Wed, 4 Jun 2008, Viviane wrote: If you are not from Australia, it is hard to understand the devastation caused by the first world war. I doubt any italian/austrian/french/german/polish/russian/belgian etc. will have any difficulty in that. At least those of a certain age. I'm well aware that mostly French, British and Turks died at Gallipoli. The Australian casualties were negligible relative to the whole operation. It entered the Australian imagination by other means. It's a footnote to history, but I'm interested in some footnotes to history. Moreover, it's really a way to break a trip to Istanbul - a city I've long wanted to see - because it's relatively close by. Cheers, George W Russell Bangalore |
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On Jun 4, 4:53*pm, Norman Spiney wrote:
On 4 Jun, 13:49, grusl wrote: On Jun 4, 4:33 pm, Norman Spiney wrote: On 4 Jun, 13:27, grusl wrote: On Jun 4, 3:22 pm, Norman Spiney wrote: On 4 Jun, 12:05, grusl wrote: On Jun 4, 2:37 pm, Norman Spiney wrote: On 4 Jun, 11:22, "grusl" wrote: I'm off to Istanbul for a few days this month. First visit to Turkey and basically a spur-of-the-moment idea while my wife is visiting her mother. I'm flying BLR-IST with GF (two four-hour hops with a two hour layover in BAH and, being GF, will no doubt be late), which cost INR40,000 - about USD1000 - and staying at the Turing Ayasofya Konaklari in Sogukçesme sokagi in the Sultanahmet district at EUR120 per night. (No doubt those diacritics won't come out). In the middle of the stay I'm planning for an overnight trip to Gallipoli via Canakkale. The hotel says it does group tours, which I don't especially mind in an unfamiliar country (and especially if there are knowledgable veterans on the tour ... not from the original 1915 conflict of course), but if anyone knows a more interesting way to see the battlefield sites and memorials I'm listening. I'm OK with bus, train or car options. I have the LP guide to Istanbul and I'm basically interested in the city's history, architecture, art, museums, walking, and eating and drinking (restaurant and raki bar recommendations welcome; I'm completely omnivorous). I'm not a shopper. I take photos but not well. My brief research into Canakkale gives the general impression it's a swinging university town but I may have to adjust that for local sentiments. Cheers, George W Russell Bangalore all that time and expense just to see some graves ?!- Hide quoted text - Yes, I suppose Westminster Abbey falls into the same category. The time is negligible - overnight - and I don't know about the cost yet. Cheers, George W Russell Bangalore Westminster Abbey is a large historic building in the centre of London.... Gallipoli is overrated, Pergammon / Goreme / *Pamukkale are much more interesting- I'm sure Gallipoli is larger than Westminster. Anyway, I think London is overrated. ....Gallipoli is a large field,zzzzzzz, but if you insist on going at least drop in on the Turks as well, it'll make your driver happy- Hide quoted text - Westminster is a large church zzzzzzzzzzz indeed, and thats about 30 minutes of site seeing for no extra effort. I imagine I will see the occasional Turk with a week in Istanbul. ah, but they wont buried in a field....- Hide quoted text - SHUT UP Cheers, George W Russell Bangalore |
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"Martin" wrote in message ... On Wed, 4 Jun 2008 17:29:29 +0530, "grusl" wrote: "Martin" wrote in message . .. On Wed, 4 Jun 2008 04:49:33 -0700 (PDT), grusl wrote: I imagine I will see the occasional Turk with a week in Istanbul. and no Michael Newport posts if you are careful. Why I allow myself to be trolled like that is a mystery. You don't use filters? -- I do. That's what makes it worse. I'm deliberately responding to him and the Finn on Gurgle Gropes. I should be shot. Instead, I'm going out for a Kingfisher. Cheers, George W Russell Bangalore |
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