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chancellor of the duchy of besses o' th' barn writes:
Yes, perhaps because when speaking, tone can help a lot- and there is the opportunity for instant clarification. Tone doesn't help at all, at least in English, and you can't clarify if your clarifications are just as jumbled as your original utterances. -- Transpose hotmail and mxsmanic in my e-mail address to reach me directly. |
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chancellor of the duchy of besses o' th' barn writes:
Yes, perhaps because when speaking, tone can help a lot- and there is the opportunity for instant clarification. Tone doesn't help at all, at least in English, and you can't clarify if your clarifications are just as jumbled as your original utterances. -- Transpose hotmail and mxsmanic in my e-mail address to reach me directly. |
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chancellor of the duchy of besses o' th' barn writes:
Yes, perhaps because when speaking, tone can help a lot- and there is the opportunity for instant clarification. Tone doesn't help at all, at least in English, and you can't clarify if your clarifications are just as jumbled as your original utterances. -- Transpose hotmail and mxsmanic in my e-mail address to reach me directly. |
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TourLeader writes:
Why not if you give me a chance to start something. I would accept to loose a bit at the begining. That is a common mistake of small business operators. You can never afford to lose money. USA has the reputation for being easy with those setting up something, show me then. Visit the CFE at the URSSAF, they'll explain it all to you. -- Transpose hotmail and mxsmanic in my e-mail address to reach me directly. |
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No, in the case of immigrants to the US the first thing they has to
learn was some rudiments of spoken English to be able to get along in the most basic manner - find a job, buy groceries, find housing. You picked up what English you could in the coal mines of Pennsylvania, the copper mines of Upper Michigan, the gold and silver mines of Colorado, the rolling mills of Illinois, the tunnels of NYC, the foundries of Detroit, etc. When working 10 hours a day, 6 days a week, you did not have much time for such things as classes in English. Some US places that hired many immigrants, such as the Illinois Steel South Works in Chicago had signs in English, Hungarian, Polish, German, and others. Many first generation immigrants to the US never did learn to write English much, that was left to the second generation to learn in school. -- wf. Mxsmanic wrote: Emilia writes: From my experience most people speak better than they write. I teach people English every day, and believe me, most of them write far better than they speak. For virtually all students of foreign languages, speaking fluency is the last or second-last skill acquired, after reading, writing, and listening. (Some students speak better than they listen, not because they are good speakers, but simply because they never have a chance to listen at all.) Written language always precedes spoken language unless they've had some pretty unusual experiences. Children may learn to listen and speak first, since they may be more exposed to the spoken form of a language than to the written form. But that's children, and here we are dealing with an adult speaker. |
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No, in the case of immigrants to the US the first thing they has to
learn was some rudiments of spoken English to be able to get along in the most basic manner - find a job, buy groceries, find housing. You picked up what English you could in the coal mines of Pennsylvania, the copper mines of Upper Michigan, the gold and silver mines of Colorado, the rolling mills of Illinois, the tunnels of NYC, the foundries of Detroit, etc. When working 10 hours a day, 6 days a week, you did not have much time for such things as classes in English. Some US places that hired many immigrants, such as the Illinois Steel South Works in Chicago had signs in English, Hungarian, Polish, German, and others. Many first generation immigrants to the US never did learn to write English much, that was left to the second generation to learn in school. -- wf. Mxsmanic wrote: Emilia writes: From my experience most people speak better than they write. I teach people English every day, and believe me, most of them write far better than they speak. For virtually all students of foreign languages, speaking fluency is the last or second-last skill acquired, after reading, writing, and listening. (Some students speak better than they listen, not because they are good speakers, but simply because they never have a chance to listen at all.) Written language always precedes spoken language unless they've had some pretty unusual experiences. Children may learn to listen and speak first, since they may be more exposed to the spoken form of a language than to the written form. But that's children, and here we are dealing with an adult speaker. |
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"chancellor of the duchy of besses o' th' barn"
wrote in message news:1gu9edf.mecgzl1jc0chzN%this_address_is_for_sp ... Yes, perhaps because when speaking, tone can help a lot- and there is the opportunity for instant clarification. Even more important is the possibility of realizing that clarification is needed at all. T. |
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"chancellor of the duchy of besses o' th' barn"
wrote in message news:1gu9edf.mecgzl1jc0chzN%this_address_is_for_sp ... Yes, perhaps because when speaking, tone can help a lot- and there is the opportunity for instant clarification. Even more important is the possibility of realizing that clarification is needed at all. T. |
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"chancellor of the duchy of besses o' th' barn"
wrote in message news:1gu9edf.mecgzl1jc0chzN%this_address_is_for_sp ... Yes, perhaps because when speaking, tone can help a lot- and there is the opportunity for instant clarification. Even more important is the possibility of realizing that clarification is needed at all. T. |
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Le Wed, 30 Mar 2005 20:41:37 +0200, Mxsmanic a écrit*:
The Rev Gaston writes: If your income is declared properly, then all you had to do to shut Mixi up ages ago is to say so. If his income is declared properly, then he is almost doing this as a free public service. He may even be doing it at a loss. You can pay more for the Tour in Paris i would like to organize. I do agree is cheap for what i propose. My goal is your satisfaction feel free to add extra money... What i propose is a Tour in Paris as a Parisian. You tell me what you expect, and then i compose the Tour exactly for you according your wishes. |
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