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  #111  
Old November 2nd, 2007, 04:23 AM posted to rec.arts.dance,rec.travel.usa-canada
Peter D
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"John Wheaton" wrote
"Dave Smith" wrote in message
Ed Jay wrote:
Please provide some verification that the US had no problem with Iraq
using WMDs.

Perhaps the photograph of Hussein shaking hands with Rumsfeld after the
USA

http://globalpolicy.igc.org/security...sseinindex.htm


Please produce ONE quote of ANY US Official stating that the use of WMDs
was ok with the US.


Oh,come on, John. You're way more intelligent than that!


  #112  
Old November 2nd, 2007, 04:25 AM posted to rec.arts.dance,rec.travel.usa-canada
Peter D
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"Hatunen" wrote in message
...
On Wed, 31 Oct 2007 21:16:58 -0700, "John Wheaton"
wrote:


"Ed Jay" wrote in message
. ..
John Wheaton scribed:


"Ed Jay" wrote in message
m...
John Wheaton scribed:


"Peter D" [email protected] wrote in message
...
Do you know, Miki, that this is the sort of reasoning used to
silence
opposition to Hitler in the early 30s? I'm always cautious of anyone
who
would seek to silence others on the basis that their speech is
"unpatriotic" or "abuses freedom of speech".

Liberal Icon FDR also put newspapermen and other dissenters in
detention.
Are you going to compare him to Hitler as well?

FDR has nothing to do with Bush.

Very true as Bush has not locked up dissidents, or set up internment
camps
as FDR did.

Nothing that FDR may have done excuses Bush. Stoopid argument, John.

Hey, William the Conqueror invaded England. Bush didn't. I guess that
makes
Bush a good guy in your book, huh? That makes as much sense as your
argument. :-)


How dissent was handled was the subject and Bush was being compared to
Hitler who imprisoned and executed dissenters. Not much of a comparison
there so I provided an example of a liberal Democrat Icon that went much
farther than Bush by directly silencing dissenters by imprisoning them.


If we are to compare to Hitler


But i didn't. Which part of what I said compared Bush to Hitler? None? Then
go find another Straw Man to hump!


  #113  
Old November 2nd, 2007, 04:29 AM posted to rec.arts.dance,rec.travel.usa-canada
Peter D
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Ed, don't waste time and energy. he's got a burr up his butt based on what
he thinks I said. He's probably not even bothered to actually read what I
said.


  #114  
Old November 2nd, 2007, 08:57 AM posted to rec.arts.dance,rec.travel.usa-canada
John Wheaton
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As YOU posted;
"
http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpag...=&pagewanted=2
Former Secretary of State Shultz and Vice President Bush tried to stanch
the flow of chemical precursors to Iraq and SPOKE OUT AGAINST Iraq's use
of
chemical arms"



  #115  
Old November 2nd, 2007, 01:56 PM posted to rec.arts.dance,rec.travel.usa-canada
Alohacyberian
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"Peter D" [email protected] wrote in message
...
"Icono Clast" wrote
Read The Constitution! It's all protected speech. In fact, the more
offensive it is, the more bigoted it is, the more hateful it is, the
stronger the protection provided by the First Amendment!


Not so. Speech is protected equally without regard to it's level of
offensiveness. Maybe you meant to say the more offensive it is, the
greater the need to protect it -- because it is only when dealing with
that and those we dislike the most that we discover just how committed we
the rights of all.


Not so. Much offensive speech is outlawed, otherwise it would be legal to
yell "fire" or "bomb" in a crowded theater and there would be no laws
against libel and slander. KM
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  #116  
Old November 2nd, 2007, 02:44 PM posted to rec.arts.dance,rec.travel.usa-canada
Dave Smith[_2_]
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John Wheaton wrote:

As YOU posted;
"
http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpag...=&pagewanted=2
Former Secretary of State Shultz and Vice President Bush tried to stanch
the flow of chemical precursors to Iraq and SPOKE OUT AGAINST Iraq's use
of
chemical arms"



That was the public position, not the covert agenda.
  #117  
Old November 2nd, 2007, 04:09 PM posted to rec.arts.dance,rec.travel.usa-canada
Lawrence Akutagawa
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Default OT Political (was re Fire)


"Alohacyberian" wrote in message
...
"Peter D" [email protected] wrote in message
...
"Icono Clast" wrote
Read The Constitution! It's all protected speech. In fact, the more
offensive it is, the more bigoted it is, the more hateful it is, the
stronger the protection provided by the First Amendment!


Not so. Speech is protected equally without regard to it's level of
offensiveness. Maybe you meant to say the more offensive it is, the
greater the need to protect it -- because it is only when dealing with
that and those we dislike the most that we discover just how committed we
the rights of all.


Not so. Much offensive speech is outlawed, otherwise it would be legal to
yell "fire" or "bomb" in a crowded theater and there would be no laws
against libel and slander. KM
--
(-:alohacyberian:-) At my website view over 3,600 live cameras or
visit NASA, the Vatican, the Smithsonian, the Louvre, CIA, FBI, and
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Visit Hawaii, Israel and more at: http://keith.martin.home.att.net/


Keith back again after doing the Alvin Toda of crawling under his rock
for...this time around...two days. And wonder of wonders - no Keith Martin
of non sequiturs, red herrings, and ad hominems that characterized his last
several postings here. He somehow, miracle though it be, some way, managed
to stay somewhat on topic in expressing his own personal opinion. But -
but - do note that he is still doing the KM2 of ignoring yet again my
question to him:

"Do you agree that a maker of a statement is accountable for that
statement? A simple 'yes' or 'no' from you will suffice."

and my request that he back his words Sunday, 10/21/07 5:28am that Hilo gets
rain

"... no more than a lot of places in the U.K. "

And leave us not forget his very own, most personal six year old kid's taunt
"Yes or no. KM." So does Kevin show us all yet once more the consummate
ducker/evader that he is beyond any reasonable doubt whatever. And still -
still - no sign of the KM3...whatever that means of evasion/ducking be.
But, as I said folks....stay tuned because because you know without doubt
Kevin will continue to duck my questions. After all, who knows? Kevin may
yet have another creative means of ducking/evading, the very skilled and so
much determined to duck and evade that he is...as he has so willingly and
persistently demonstrates before us all here each and every time he ducks my
questions in his posts.

Duck-a-way, duck-a-way Keith!

Quack, quack!


  #118  
Old November 2nd, 2007, 05:53 PM posted to rec.arts.dance,rec.travel.usa-canada
John Wheaton
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"Dave Smith" wrote in message
...


John Wheaton wrote:

As YOU posted;
"
http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpag...=&pagewanted=2
Former Secretary of State Shultz and Vice President Bush tried to
stanch
the flow of chemical precursors to Iraq and SPOKE OUT AGAINST Iraq's
use
of
chemical arms"



That was the public position, not the covert agenda.


Another personal opinion.

BTW The courts did find a Dutch businessman guilty of supplying Saddam with
chemical weapons.


  #119  
Old November 2nd, 2007, 06:34 PM posted to rec.arts.dance,rec.travel.usa-canada
Dave Smith[_2_]
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Default Fire!

John Wheaton wrote:


That was the public position, not the covert agenda.


Another personal opinion.

BTW The courts did find a Dutch businessman guilty of supplying Saddam with
chemical weapons.


SO a little more digging and see what Iraq got from the US.
  #120  
Old November 2nd, 2007, 11:19 PM posted to rec.arts.dance,rec.travel.usa-canada
Hatunen
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On Thu, 1 Nov 2007 22:25:57 -0500, "Peter D" [email protected] wrote:

"Hatunen" wrote in message
.. .
On Wed, 31 Oct 2007 21:16:58 -0700, "John Wheaton"
wrote:


"Ed Jay" wrote in message
...
John Wheaton scribed:


"Ed Jay" wrote in message
om...
John Wheaton scribed:


"Peter D" [email protected] wrote in message
.. .
Do you know, Miki, that this is the sort of reasoning used to
silence
opposition to Hitler in the early 30s? I'm always cautious of anyone
who
would seek to silence others on the basis that their speech is
"unpatriotic" or "abuses freedom of speech".

Liberal Icon FDR also put newspapermen and other dissenters in
detention.
Are you going to compare him to Hitler as well?

FDR has nothing to do with Bush.

Very true as Bush has not locked up dissidents, or set up internment
camps
as FDR did.

Nothing that FDR may have done excuses Bush. Stoopid argument, John.

Hey, William the Conqueror invaded England. Bush didn't. I guess that
makes
Bush a good guy in your book, huh? That makes as much sense as your
argument. :-)

How dissent was handled was the subject and Bush was being compared to
Hitler who imprisoned and executed dissenters. Not much of a comparison
there so I provided an example of a liberal Democrat Icon that went much
farther than Bush by directly silencing dissenters by imprisoning them.


If we are to compare to Hitler


But i didn't. Which part of what I said compared Bush to Hitler? None? Then
go find another Straw Man to hump!


why do you presume it was you I was responding to? Do you see the
long list of contributors? Note that I responded to Wheaton and
Jay, but not you. If you look carefully at the thread you might
notice that I'm pretty much defending what you said.

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