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Air Marshalls agreed on UK flights but not Swedish
Pilots agree deal on air marshals
An agreement on the use of air marshals on flights to the US has been reached with a major carrier, the British Airline Pilots Association has said. The deal with the unnamed airline puts pilots in control and could be adopted across the industry, the union added. It had urged all pilots to refuse to fly if armed guards are on board, as it fears they could be a safety risk. The new agreement means the marshals would report to the captain and only carry certain types of weapon. Balpa told BBC News Online that it was still opposed to the principle of air marshals, but that the deal allayed its most serious concerns. A spokesman said: "Putting air marshals on planes makes it more dangerous to fly in our opinion and that of most pilots and airlines in the world." News of the deal came as it emerged that Sweden has reached a deal with the US allowing its planes to fly without air marshals. Captain and crew The union said the agreement with the UK airline would improve the safety of passengers if a marshal was on board its planes. It included: Captain and cabin crew to be told when sky marshals are on board, who they are and where they sit Air marshals to be in regular contact with the captain during the flight Captain to be in charge at all times Only certain types of weapon to be used Training of air marshals, insurance cover and legal liability of crew to be agreed with Balpa Jim McAuslan, general secretary of Balpa, said: "I would not describe the agreement as a victory, but commonsense." Emergency summit Balpa threatened to ground some flights to the US after the UK Government announced the introduction of the marshals. We will dictate this, otherwise we won't fly, it's as simple as that Balpa The US said it would insist that the guards are put on certain flights, which would not otherwise be allowed to fly to or from its airports, or to enter its airspace. Balpa called for an emergency world summit of airline pilots to consider the demand. The union, which hopes other airlines will adopt the deal, has said: "We want a written protocol, an agreement, on when and how armed guards should be deployed." The spokesman warned: "We will dictate this, otherwise we won't fly, it's as simple as that." 'Why fly?' Balpa, which has accused the UK Government of failing to resist what it sees as a US policy, dismissed claims the marshals may have been flying since Monday. It believed no flights had yet had an air marshal on board. The spokesman said they will only be deployed "in response to specific threats, which will make a lot of pilots and members of the public say 'if there's a known threat, why are we flying?'". Story from BBC NEWS: http://news.bbc.co.uk/go/pr/fr/-/1/hi/uk/3359267.stm Published: 2003/12/31 13:02:06 GMT |
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Air Marshalls agreed on UK flights but not Swedish
Miss L. Toe told us about a press report
which would have us believe that: Pilots agree deal on air marshals snip The new agreement means the marshals would report to the captain and only carry certain types of weapon. You're having a laugh. You've got the filf, with a gun, for ****'s sake, and their universal chip-on-the-shoulder attitude (i.e., 'We're going to do this my way, Sir') and you really think they're going to defer to the protestations of a mere _pilot_ in the event of an on-board 'situation'??? Un-bloody-likely, mate. Balpa['s]...spokesman said: "Putting air marshals on planes makes it more dangerous to fly in our opinion and that of most pilots and airlines in the world." Well, of course. News of the deal came as it emerged that Sweden has reached a deal with the US allowing its planes to fly without air marshals. Is that SAS Scandinavian? If so, good on them. more snippage Balpa, which has accused the UK Government of failing to resist what it sees as a US policy... Oh, what a(nother) surprise! Story from BBC NEWS: http://news.bbc.co.uk/go/pr/fr/-/1/hi/uk/3359267.stm Published: 2003/12/31 13:02:06 GMT cheers, Henry |
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Air Marshalls agreed on UK flights but not Swedish
Binyamin Dissen wrote:
Of course, if anything is going on in the plane, the pilot should remain locked in the cockpit. There is absolutely no reason for him to get involved. ??? The commanding officer of the ship is ultimately responsible for everything that happens on board and therefore may just wish to have some little say in the decision-making process. cheers, Henry |
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Air Marshalls agreed on UK flights but not Swedish
On Thu, 1 Jan 2004 14:10:23 +0200 (Henry) wrote:
:Binyamin Dissen wrote: : Of course, if anything is going on in the plane, the pilot should remain : locked in the cockpit. There is absolutely no reason for him to get involved. :??? :The commanding officer of the ship is ultimately responsible for :everything that happens on board and therefore may just wish to have :some little say in the decision-making process. Cockpit locked, pilot has control of the plane. Open the door, anyone can get in and take control. His first responsibility is to save as many lives as possible. Think about it. -- Binyamin Dissen http://www.dissensoftware.com |
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Air Marshalls agreed on UK flights but not Swedish
sorry, but these days the job of the pilot is to fly the aircraft and NOT
come out of the flight deck. "Henry" wrote in message ... Binyamin Dissen wrote: Of course, if anything is going on in the plane, the pilot should remain locked in the cockpit. There is absolutely no reason for him to get involved. ??? The commanding officer of the ship is ultimately responsible for everything that happens on board and therefore may just wish to have some little say in the decision-making process. cheers, Henry |
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Air Marshalls agreed on UK flights but not Swedish
oh, sure - pre planned hijacks. WHERE'S The "smiley" face?
;-) "Lansbury" wrote in message ... On Thu, 1 Jan 2004 14:10:23 +0200, (Henry) wrote: The commanding officer of the ship is ultimately responsible for everything that happens on board and therefore may just wish to have some little say in the decision-making process. BALPA has now negotiated an agreement with AQ that in the event they put a hijack plan into operation, they will inform the cabin crew 10 minutes before hand. This will enable the captain to leave the cockpit and consult with the sky marshalls as to the appropriate action he/she will consent to. Then when the hijack starts at the given time all parties will know what they have permission to do. -- Lansbury |
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Air Marshalls agreed on UK flights but not Swedish
"DALing" daling43[delete]-at-hotmail.com wrote:
"Henry" wrote in message Binyamin Dissen wrote: Of course, if anything is going on in the plane, the pilot should remain locked in the cockpit. There is absolutely no reason for him to get involved. The commanding officer of the ship is ultimately responsible for everything that happens on board and therefore may just wish to have some little say in the decision-making process. sorry, but these days the job of the pilot is to fly the aircraft and NOT come out of the flight deck. Sez you. |
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Air Marshalls agreed on UK flights but not Swedish
On Fri, 2 Jan 2004 12:49:21 GMT, "DALing"
daling43[delete]-at-hotmail.com wrote: oh, sure - pre planned hijacks. WHERE'S The "smiley" face? ;-) I thought without the smiley face it conveyed the right amount a sarcasm for the stupidity of the post(s) is was responding too. -- Lansbury |
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