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Malaria and Mosquito Repellent
John Kulp wrote:
Alan S wrote: -hh wrote: DEET is a known carcinogen It's not in humans. Its a EPA Group D carcinogen, and its not that it can't be a human one too, but through control of exposure, the issue is avoided. See: http://www.gulflink.osd.mil/library/...ticides_paper/ mr1018.8.ch5.html The key phrase in the above URL is "[...] concluded that human exposure to DEET was usually brief, and long-term exposure was not to be expected." In essence, there's enough evidence to suggest that it is also a carcinogen in humans such that a controlled medical trial to prove the link would be unethical...and in any country that signed the Helsinki Accords...illegal. *The US military uses it routinely and would certainly know if it was. * They also know where the regulatory loopholes are. In any event, the US Military is using a slow release 33% concentration version made by 3M, which is what I was referring to earlier. BTW, (and for humans) it is categorized as a Toxicity Category III (low acute); note that reported side effects include 'slurred speech', which is kind of hard for an insect, dog or pig to report. FYI, I still use DEET too, but do so with care and caution...and context. For example, DEET doesn't do jack **** to stop Tzetze flies. -hh |
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On Mon, 4 Feb 2008 17:56:22 -0800 (PST), -hh
wrote: John Kulp wrote: Alan S wrote: -hh wrote: DEET is a known carcinogen It's not in humans. Its a EPA Group D carcinogen, and its not that it can't be a human one too, but through control of exposure, the issue is avoided. See: http://www.gulflink.osd.mil/library/...ticides_paper/ mr1018.8.ch5.html The key phrase in the above URL is "[...] concluded that human exposure to DEET was usually brief, and long-term exposure was not to be expected." In essence, there's enough evidence to suggest that it is also a carcinogen in humans such that a controlled medical trial to prove the link would be unethical...and in any country that signed the Helsinki Accords...illegal. That's complete nonsense. There is no such proof and the military has been using it for years with no such effect. Or don't you consider them human? =A0The US military uses it routinely and would certainly know if it was. = =A0 They also know where the regulatory loopholes are. In any event, the US Military is using a slow release 33% concentration version made by 3M, which is what I was referring to earlier. What has that got to do with your screwball and unsupported claim that it is a human carcinogen? The same exact stuff is available to anyone. It's called Ultrathon. BTW, (and for humans) it is categorized as a Toxicity Category III (low acute); note that reported side effects include 'slurred speech', which is kind of hard for an insect, dog or pig to report. FYI, I still use DEET too, but do so with care and caution...and context. For example, DEET doesn't do jack **** to stop Tzetze flies. Which is low, acute and not chronic and appears almost exclusively in children. |
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"Alan S" wrote in message ... Inda Mar 15-22 Depends where you are. But as you're only there (actually 'here' at the moment) for a week there's no point in stopping your malaria meds. Whatever you do and wherever you go in March in India you're going to get a few bites, everybody does, but you've got to be seriously unlucky to catch anything from them. -- William Black I've seen things you people wouldn't believe. Barbeques on fire by the chalets past the castle headland I watched the gift shops glitter in the darkness off the Newborough gate All these moments will be lost in time, like icecream on the beach Time for tea. |
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In message
Alan S wrote: I would appreciate suggestions on the most effective rub-on or spray-on mosquito repellents for daily personal use. Preferably one that doesn't also repel those who sit next to me in buses and which doesn't make me appear to be covered in baby oil and which is likely to be available in those countries if replenishment is needed. I've found Mosquito Milk (a roll on, you only need two stripes on each exposed area, and it smells pretty nice) to be very effective. I'm very popular with biting insects (because my blood is 95% chocolate?) Whatever you get, don't get over 80% DEET, as it sweats off. MM is well under 50%. Slainte Liz -- http://www.v-liz.com - Kenya; Tanzania; Namibia; India; Galapagos |
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Thanks to all who responded. Good info to base some
decisions on. Much appreciated. Cheers, Alan, Australia -- http://loraltravel.blogspot.com/ latest: Slovenia |
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(John Kulp) wrote:
-hh wrote: In essence, there's enough evidence to suggest that it is also a carcinogen in humans such that a controlled medical trial to prove the link would be unethical...and in any country that signed the Helsinki Accords...illegal. That's complete nonsense. *There is no such proof and the military has been using it for years with no such effect. * Here's some "nonsense" for you: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Declaration_of_Helsinki Plus the Belmont Report: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Belmont_Report Or don't you consider them human? Literally not an excuse. Apparently, you've not heard of this either: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tuskegee_Syphilis_Study What has that got to do with your screwball and unsupported claim that it is a human carcinogen? * Are cigarettes bad for you? Cause of cancers, etc? Well, because of the above, the direct objective medical tests to 100% prove the connection have never been done either. Its not because it isn't, but because it is unethical to incur the risk on a volunteer. See also: http://ohsr.od.nih.gov/guidelines/nuremberg.html BTW, (and for humans) it is categorized as a Toxicity Category III (low acute); note that reported side effects include 'slurred speech', which is kind of hard for an insect, dog or pig to report. *FYI, I still use DEET too, but do so with care and caution...and context. For example, DEET doesn't do jack **** to stop Tzetze flies. Which is low, acute and not chronic and appears almost exclusively in children. It still proves a chemical interaction with the human biology. Bottom line is that your attempts to claim that the risk is zero is untrue. We simply don't know the full extent of the risk profile, and given the laws on human experimentation, it is unlikely to be an area that the risk:benefit allows much more testing. -hh |
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On Mon, 04 Feb 2008 08:23:56 +1100, Alan S wrote:
I'll be talking to my doc on medication prophylaxis, but any thoughts on that would also be appreciated. Alan, I read the excellent discussion of insect repellants. The other topic got only a shorter exposure---malaria prophylaxis. Some known drugs are Lariam, which is problematic because of nasty side effects (I know, I once swallowed a cure dose), and Malarone, which doesn't seem to have any side effects on me. Malarone is twice as expensive though. I can recommend it. The black horse is Doxycycline, which has already been described very well in a preceding post. It is quite cheap, but, contrary to Lariam and Malarone, cannot be used as a cure. Another popular drug is artemisinine (from China), which is effective as a cure, but not as a prophylactic. For a short trip I recommend Malarone, but talk to your doctor or to a specialist anyway. I don't actually have the medical competence to recommend anything. For your particular trip I would recommend to find out when and for how long you will be in malaria-infested areas, as you don't have to take phrophylactics outside these areas, apart from any lead-in and lead-out periods before and after exposure. I would not recommend to take Malarone or Lariam for a month or more. In the case of long exposure you would have to look for other alternatives like taking a malaria self test and a cure dose with you and very carefully avoiding mosquito bites. One final remark: Always sleep under a mosquito net, unless you are absolutely certain that there are no mosquitos there. And never listen to the locals, because when you ask them for mosquitos, I found the answer invariably to be, "Yes, there are mosquitos in this country, but not here." Hans-Georg -- No mail, please. |
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I just thought of another product that worked wonderfully.. it's called
Avon's Skin So Soft.. there is an oil and a soap..I found the soap was nicer, it too had a lemony base, but was easier to use because you washed with it in the shower.. -- Don't tell me how educated you are, tell me how much you have traveled. www.globosapiens.net/ta-shy "Hans-Georg Michna" wrote in message ... On Mon, 04 Feb 2008 08:23:56 +1100, Alan S wrote: I'll be talking to my doc on medication prophylaxis, but any thoughts on that would also be appreciated. Alan, I read the excellent discussion of insect repellants. The other topic got only a shorter exposure---malaria prophylaxis. Some known drugs are Lariam, which is problematic because of nasty side effects (I know, I once swallowed a cure dose), and Malarone, which doesn't seem to have any side effects on me. Malarone is twice as expensive though. I can recommend it. The black horse is Doxycycline, which has already been described very well in a preceding post. It is quite cheap, but, contrary to Lariam and Malarone, cannot be used as a cure. Another popular drug is artemisinine (from China), which is effective as a cure, but not as a prophylactic. For a short trip I recommend Malarone, but talk to your doctor or to a specialist anyway. I don't actually have the medical competence to recommend anything. For your particular trip I would recommend to find out when and for how long you will be in malaria-infested areas, as you don't have to take phrophylactics outside these areas, apart from any lead-in and lead-out periods before and after exposure. I would not recommend to take Malarone or Lariam for a month or more. In the case of long exposure you would have to look for other alternatives like taking a malaria self test and a cure dose with you and very carefully avoiding mosquito bites. One final remark: Always sleep under a mosquito net, unless you are absolutely certain that there are no mosquitos there. And never listen to the locals, because when you ask them for mosquitos, I found the answer invariably to be, "Yes, there are mosquitos in this country, but not here." Hans-Georg -- No mail, please. |
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SNIP
I'll be 61 mate, my tent days are behind me; three star at least:-) Hi Absolute rubbish!!!!!! 8^) My wife and I are both well over 60 and still camp in tents on a regular basis - not so often now in cold and wet Great Britain admittedly, but certainly on holiday. I have a bad back (slipped disk) and actually get a far more comfortable sleep on a Thermarest mattress in a tent than in our bed at home. Regards - (off to pack the tent for a forthcoming camping trip to the USA Southwest desert States) KGB |
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On Thu, 07 Feb 2008 08:49:28 GMT, "KGB"
(KGB) wrote: SNIP I'll be 61 mate, my tent days are behind me; three star at least:-) Hi Absolute rubbish!!!!!! 8^) My wife and I are both well over 60 and still camp in tents on a regular basis - not so often now in cold and wet Great Britain admittedly, but certainly on holiday. I have a bad back (slipped disk) and actually get a far more comfortable sleep on a Thermarest mattress in a tent than in our bed at home. Regards - (off to pack the tent for a forthcoming camping trip to the USA Southwest desert States) KGB Whatever turns you on mate:-) I camped from the time I joined the cubs until I left the Senior Scouts, then on bivouacs with the RAAF as needed. And on the occasional fishing trip. That was quite enough. I've also done my share of caravanning and motorhome driving. But when I'm wandering through nine countries in seven weeks, including several that are a little less than friendly to Westerners - I'm after a bed and four solid walls. I'm not over-fussy, my main requirements are that the bed (and linen) be clean, be longer and wider than I, reasonably un-lumpy, and that I am the only living thing in it or on it. I also prefer an aircon if the temperature and humidity are uncomfortable. Beyond that I'm not fussed about room service or minibars or TV. To be honest, the thought of pitching my tent in front of Angkor, or the Taj Mahal, or Petra, or Giza, or Abu Simbel, or Chichen Itza, or Teotihuacan (all on this trip) does not turn me on at all. Even if the local authorities allowed it I doubt it would be very wise, let alone comfortable. Apart from that, it's one less item to lug around. To each their own. Cheers, Alan, Australia -- http://loraltravel.blogspot.com/ latest: Slovenia |
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