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  #21  
Old February 5th, 2008, 02:56 AM posted to rec.travel.asia, rec.travel.latin-america, rec.travel.africa
-hh
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John Kulp wrote:
Alan S wrote:
-hh wrote:


DEET is a known carcinogen


It's not in humans.


Its a EPA Group D carcinogen, and its not that it can't be a human one
too, but through control of exposure, the issue is avoided.

See:
http://www.gulflink.osd.mil/library/...ticides_paper/
mr1018.8.ch5.html

The key phrase in the above URL is "[...] concluded that human
exposure to DEET was usually brief, and long-term exposure was not to
be expected."

In essence, there's enough evidence to suggest that it is also a
carcinogen in humans such that a controlled medical trial to prove the
link would be unethical...and in any country that signed the Helsinki
Accords...illegal.


*The US military uses it routinely and would certainly know if it was. *


They also know where the regulatory loopholes are. In any event, the
US Military is using a slow release 33% concentration version made by
3M, which is what I was referring to earlier.

BTW, (and for humans) it is categorized as a Toxicity Category III
(low acute); note that reported side effects include 'slurred speech',
which is kind of hard for an insect, dog or pig to report. FYI, I
still use DEET too, but do so with care and caution...and context.
For example, DEET doesn't do jack **** to stop Tzetze flies.


-hh
  #22  
Old February 5th, 2008, 03:31 AM posted to rec.travel.asia,rec.travel.latin-america,rec.travel.africa
John Kulp
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On Mon, 4 Feb 2008 17:56:22 -0800 (PST), -hh
wrote:

John Kulp wrote:
Alan S wrote:
-hh wrote:


DEET is a known carcinogen


It's not in humans.


Its a EPA Group D carcinogen, and its not that it can't be a human one
too, but through control of exposure, the issue is avoided.

See:
http://www.gulflink.osd.mil/library/...ticides_paper/
mr1018.8.ch5.html

The key phrase in the above URL is "[...] concluded that human
exposure to DEET was usually brief, and long-term exposure was not to
be expected."

In essence, there's enough evidence to suggest that it is also a
carcinogen in humans such that a controlled medical trial to prove the
link would be unethical...and in any country that signed the Helsinki
Accords...illegal.


That's complete nonsense. There is no such proof and the military has
been using it for years with no such effect. Or don't you consider
them human?



=A0The US military uses it routinely and would certainly know if it was. =

=A0

They also know where the regulatory loopholes are. In any event, the
US Military is using a slow release 33% concentration version made by
3M, which is what I was referring to earlier.


What has that got to do with your screwball and unsupported claim that
it is a human carcinogen? The same exact stuff is available to
anyone. It's called Ultrathon.


BTW, (and for humans) it is categorized as a Toxicity Category III
(low acute); note that reported side effects include 'slurred speech',
which is kind of hard for an insect, dog or pig to report. FYI, I
still use DEET too, but do so with care and caution...and context.
For example, DEET doesn't do jack **** to stop Tzetze flies.


Which is low, acute and not chronic and appears almost exclusively in
children.
  #23  
Old February 5th, 2008, 08:28 AM posted to rec.travel.asia,rec.travel.latin-america,rec.travel.africa
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"Alan S" wrote in message
...

Inda


Mar 15-22


Depends where you are.

But as you're only there (actually 'here' at the moment) for a week there's
no point in stopping your malaria meds.

Whatever you do and wherever you go in March in India you're going to get a
few bites, everybody does, but you've got to be seriously unlucky to catch
anything from them.

--
William Black


I've seen things you people wouldn't believe.
Barbeques on fire by the chalets past the castle headland
I watched the gift shops glitter in the darkness off the Newborough gate
All these moments will be lost in time, like icecream on the beach
Time for tea.

  #24  
Old February 5th, 2008, 09:14 AM posted to rec.travel.asia,rec.travel.latin-america,rec.travel.africa
Liz Leyden
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In message
Alan S wrote:


I would appreciate suggestions on the most effective rub-on
or spray-on mosquito repellents for daily personal use.
Preferably one that doesn't also repel those who sit next to
me in buses and which doesn't make me appear to be covered
in baby oil and which is likely to be available in those
countries if replenishment is needed.

I've found Mosquito Milk (a roll on, you only need two stripes on each
exposed area, and it smells pretty nice) to be very effective. I'm
very popular with biting insects (because my blood is 95% chocolate?)

Whatever you get, don't get over 80% DEET, as it sweats off. MM is
well under 50%.

Slainte

Liz

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  #25  
Old February 5th, 2008, 11:26 AM posted to rec.travel.asia,rec.travel.latin-america,rec.travel.africa
Alan S[_1_]
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Thanks to all who responded. Good info to base some
decisions on.

Much appreciated.

Cheers, Alan, Australia
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  #26  
Old February 5th, 2008, 12:02 PM posted to rec.travel.asia, rec.travel.latin-america, rec.travel.africa
[email protected]
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(John Kulp) wrote:
-hh wrote:

In essence, there's enough evidence to suggest that it is also a
carcinogen in humans such that a controlled medical trial to prove the
link would be unethical...and in any country that signed the Helsinki
Accords...illegal.


That's complete nonsense. *There is no such proof and the military has
been using it for years with no such effect. *


Here's some "nonsense" for you:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Declaration_of_Helsinki

Plus the Belmont Report:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Belmont_Report


Or don't you consider them human?


Literally not an excuse. Apparently, you've not heard of this either:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tuskegee_Syphilis_Study


What has that got to do with your screwball and unsupported claim that
it is a human carcinogen? *


Are cigarettes bad for you? Cause of cancers, etc?

Well, because of the above, the direct objective medical tests to 100%
prove the connection have never been done either. Its not because it
isn't, but because it is unethical to incur the risk on a volunteer.
See also:

http://ohsr.od.nih.gov/guidelines/nuremberg.html



BTW, (and for humans) it is categorized as a Toxicity Category III
(low acute); note that reported side effects include 'slurred speech',
which is kind of hard for an insect, dog or pig to report. *FYI, I
still use DEET too, but do so with care and caution...and context.
For example, DEET doesn't do jack **** to stop Tzetze flies.


Which is low, acute and not chronic and appears almost exclusively in
children.


It still proves a chemical interaction with the human biology.
Bottom line is that your attempts to claim that the risk is zero is
untrue. We simply don't know the full extent of the risk profile, and
given the laws on human experimentation, it is unlikely to be an area
that the risk:benefit allows much more testing.


-hh
  #27  
Old February 5th, 2008, 12:42 PM posted to rec.travel.africa
Hans-Georg Michna
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On Mon, 04 Feb 2008 08:23:56 +1100, Alan S wrote:

I'll be talking to my doc on medication prophylaxis, but any
thoughts on that would also be appreciated.


Alan,

I read the excellent discussion of insect repellants. The other
topic got only a shorter exposure---malaria prophylaxis.

Some known drugs are Lariam, which is problematic because of
nasty side effects (I know, I once swallowed a cure dose), and
Malarone, which doesn't seem to have any side effects on me.
Malarone is twice as expensive though. I can recommend it.

The black horse is Doxycycline, which has already been described
very well in a preceding post. It is quite cheap, but, contrary
to Lariam and Malarone, cannot be used as a cure.

Another popular drug is artemisinine (from China), which is
effective as a cure, but not as a prophylactic.

For a short trip I recommend Malarone, but talk to your doctor
or to a specialist anyway. I don't actually have the medical
competence to recommend anything.

For your particular trip I would recommend to find out when and
for how long you will be in malaria-infested areas, as you don't
have to take phrophylactics outside these areas, apart from any
lead-in and lead-out periods before and after exposure. I would
not recommend to take Malarone or Lariam for a month or more.

In the case of long exposure you would have to look for other
alternatives like taking a malaria self test and a cure dose
with you and very carefully avoiding mosquito bites.

One final remark: Always sleep under a mosquito net, unless you
are absolutely certain that there are no mosquitos there. And
never listen to the locals, because when you ask them for
mosquitos, I found the answer invariably to be, "Yes, there are
mosquitos in this country, but not here."

Hans-Georg
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  #28  
Old February 5th, 2008, 10:30 PM posted to rec.travel.africa
Tashi
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I just thought of another product that worked wonderfully.. it's called
Avon's Skin So Soft.. there is an oil and a soap..I found the soap was
nicer, it too had a lemony base, but was easier to use because you washed
with it in the shower..

--
Don't tell me how educated you are,
tell me how much you have traveled.
www.globosapiens.net/ta-shy
"Hans-Georg Michna" wrote in message
...
On Mon, 04 Feb 2008 08:23:56 +1100, Alan S wrote:

I'll be talking to my doc on medication prophylaxis, but any
thoughts on that would also be appreciated.


Alan,

I read the excellent discussion of insect repellants. The other
topic got only a shorter exposure---malaria prophylaxis.

Some known drugs are Lariam, which is problematic because of
nasty side effects (I know, I once swallowed a cure dose), and
Malarone, which doesn't seem to have any side effects on me.
Malarone is twice as expensive though. I can recommend it.

The black horse is Doxycycline, which has already been described
very well in a preceding post. It is quite cheap, but, contrary
to Lariam and Malarone, cannot be used as a cure.

Another popular drug is artemisinine (from China), which is
effective as a cure, but not as a prophylactic.

For a short trip I recommend Malarone, but talk to your doctor
or to a specialist anyway. I don't actually have the medical
competence to recommend anything.

For your particular trip I would recommend to find out when and
for how long you will be in malaria-infested areas, as you don't
have to take phrophylactics outside these areas, apart from any
lead-in and lead-out periods before and after exposure. I would
not recommend to take Malarone or Lariam for a month or more.

In the case of long exposure you would have to look for other
alternatives like taking a malaria self test and a cure dose
with you and very carefully avoiding mosquito bites.

One final remark: Always sleep under a mosquito net, unless you
are absolutely certain that there are no mosquitos there. And
never listen to the locals, because when you ask them for
mosquitos, I found the answer invariably to be, "Yes, there are
mosquitos in this country, but not here."

Hans-Georg
--
No mail, please.



  #29  
Old February 7th, 2008, 09:49 AM posted to rec.travel.asia,rec.travel.latin-america,rec.travel.africa
KGB
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SNIP
I'll be 61 mate, my tent days are behind me; three star at
least:-)


Hi

Absolute rubbish!!!!!! 8^)

My wife and I are both well over 60 and still camp in tents on a
regular basis - not so often now in cold and wet Great Britain
admittedly, but certainly on holiday.

I have a bad back (slipped disk) and actually get a far more
comfortable sleep on a Thermarest mattress in a tent than in our bed
at home.

Regards - (off to pack the tent for a forthcoming camping trip to the
USA Southwest desert States)



KGB

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Old February 7th, 2008, 12:14 PM posted to rec.travel.asia,rec.travel.latin-america,rec.travel.africa
Alan S[_1_]
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On Thu, 07 Feb 2008 08:49:28 GMT, "KGB"
(KGB) wrote:

SNIP
I'll be 61 mate, my tent days are behind me; three star at
least:-)


Hi

Absolute rubbish!!!!!! 8^)

My wife and I are both well over 60 and still camp in tents on a
regular basis - not so often now in cold and wet Great Britain
admittedly, but certainly on holiday.

I have a bad back (slipped disk) and actually get a far more
comfortable sleep on a Thermarest mattress in a tent than in our bed
at home.

Regards - (off to pack the tent for a forthcoming camping trip to the
USA Southwest desert States)



KGB


Whatever turns you on mate:-)

I camped from the time I joined the cubs until I left the
Senior Scouts, then on bivouacs with the RAAF as needed. And
on the occasional fishing trip. That was quite enough. I've
also done my share of caravanning and motorhome driving.

But when I'm wandering through nine countries in seven
weeks, including several that are a little less than
friendly to Westerners - I'm after a bed and four solid
walls. I'm not over-fussy, my main requirements are that the
bed (and linen) be clean, be longer and wider than I,
reasonably un-lumpy, and that I am the only living thing in
it or on it. I also prefer an aircon if the temperature and
humidity are uncomfortable. Beyond that I'm not fussed about
room service or minibars or TV.

To be honest, the thought of pitching my tent in front of
Angkor, or the Taj Mahal, or Petra, or Giza, or Abu Simbel,
or Chichen Itza, or Teotihuacan (all on this trip) does not
turn me on at all. Even if the local authorities allowed it
I doubt it would be very wise, let alone comfortable.

Apart from that, it's one less item to lug around.

To each their own.

Cheers, Alan, Australia
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