Sweden says "nej" to Euro.

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As stupid as ever.

That must be jbk speaking about himself.

Doesn't even know that former Communists and
Greens were also very much on the "no" side.

Many Communists and Greens are very conservative.

Sjoerd

Paul Dwerryhouse wrote:
Politicians will continue asking the same question until they get the
result that they want - and it corrupts democratic process.

I believe that when a referendum fails, the same issue should be not be
brought to a referendum again for _at least_ a generation. Any earlier is
just treating the voting public's wishes with contempt.

Do you believe that people would eventually just vote for it because they
were getting tired of all the referenda?

To me that seems a stretch. Seems more likely they'd eventually vote out the
people who keep making everyone vote on the Euro all the time.

Given that, I don't see how any 'Yes' vote, regardless of how frequent the
referenda had been, doesn't reflect the will of the voters.

miguel
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Paul Dwerryhouse wrote:

(Miguel Cruz) writes:

Do you believe that people would eventually just vote for it because they
were getting tired of all the referenda?

Depends on whether voting in the referendum is compulsory or not. It could
get to the point where voter apathy is such that the only people who turn
up to vote are those that are in favour of it.

I believe that voting research shows that those opposed to a measure are
much more likely to vote than those in favor of it.

Barbara

Given the high majority of the people that voted "no", it's not only
a vote against the euro but also againt Europe in general.

If the Swedes are coherent, they will also leave the EU since they
don't believe in Europe. (I believe Britain, Sweden and maybe Denmark
will leave the EU in the next ten years).

I of course respect their decision, but I don't see why they would
stay in a system they distrust.


(David Horne) wrote in message news:1g1apii.2i6if05mrt34N%i_will_almost_never_re ...
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David

Perhaps what they distrust is the perversion of a trade system into a
super government. FFM

laurent wrote:
Given the high majority of the people that voted "no", it's not only
a vote against the euro but also againt Europe in general.

If the Swedes are coherent, they will also leave the EU since they
don't believe in Europe. (I believe Britain, Sweden and maybe Denmark
will leave the EU in the next ten years).

I of course respect their decision, but I don't see why they would
stay in a system they distrust.

On Mon, 15 Sep 2003 13:16:47 +0000, Frank F. Matthews wrote:

Perhaps what they distrust is the perversion of a trade system into a
super government. FFM

???

(How does that fit the history?)

On Mon, 15 Sep 2003 04:55:47 -0700, laurent wrote:

Given the high majority of the people that voted "no", it's not only
a vote against the euro but also againt Europe in general.

If the Swedes are coherent, they will also leave the EU since they
don't believe in Europe. (I believe Britain, Sweden and maybe Denmark
will leave the EU in the next ten years).

I of course respect their decision, but I don't see why they would
stay in a system they distrust.


The thing that looks funny to me is that people seem to be so fired up
about this relatively insignificant Swedish referendum, but no one is
talking about the arguably much more significant Cancun event.

Where all hypocritical "supporters" of free trade (but only when it works
to their own advantage) got their change back when it came to bring free
trade to agriculture.

With of course, the EU, the US and Japan being the main offenders and the
most anti-liberal traders.

What's even more strange to me is that the main victims (except for the
third world countries) is all of us taxpayers who are not into farming.
Who end up either paying tons of taxes that go into farming subsidies
(half of the EU budget) and/or end up paying way too much for food
(Canadian egg, paoultry and dairy being an example).

And of course all the hypocrits continue their incantations "that this
failure is a disaster that is going to have huge economic consequences
blah..."

I support free trade. Especially for agriculture. :-)

Kind of funny where this puts these French anti-free trade farmers, BTW.
At the right wing fringe where they belong?

"Sjoerd" wrote in message ...

A victory for the conservatives. And Sweden is a *very* conservative
country.


Huh? Sweden isn't a conservative country, it's weird country.

The no-side, represented by commies, greens and nazis can hardly be
said to be conservative. The main conservative party (meaning low
taxes, more police, more defence) is the moderates, who had something
like 75% yes votes. The Christian democrats who are also conservative,
albeit in a somewhat different sense, was officially a "yes"-party,
although it's voters had a different opinion.

/Clas-Henrik

devil wrote:

The thing that looks funny to me is that people seem to be so fired up
about this relatively insignificant Swedish referendum,

Relatively insignificant to whom? It's not at all insignificant to the
EU, and this is a newsgroup about travel in Europe. What on earth is
funny about that? On several UK broadcasts yesterday it was the leading
news story.

but no one is
talking about the arguably much more significant Cancun event.

Well, _you_ are.

David

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On Mon, 15 Sep 2003 14:35:01 +0100, David Horne wrote:

devil wrote:

The thing that looks funny to me is that people seem to be so fired up
about this relatively insignificant Swedish referendum,

Relatively insignificant to whom? It's not at all insignificant to the
EU, and this is a newsgroup about travel in Europe. What on earth is
funny about that? On several UK broadcasts yesterday it was the leading
news story.

but no one is
talking about the arguably much more significant Cancun event.

Well, _you_ are.

Sure.

Yes the Swedish thingy was the headline. I submit, however, that the
Cancun event is actually more important, in particular for the EU. Given
the weight of farming policies on the whole thing and its budget. Also,
given the rhetorics on development etc.

(In the US, it merely would take an administration that truly believes in
free trade and that would not care too much on votes from the farmers to
move on. In the EU, however, it would take giving up on France...)