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Is the situation found in the video at the attached link typical of Canadian
healthcare?

http://www.freemarketcure.com/brainsurgery.php

Video will be painfully slow to load on dial-up.

In a nutshell, patient needed an MRI as his physician thought he might have
a brain tumor. Quoted wait time for an MRI was 8 months. Got one in
Buffalo, NY, in several days and as suspected he had a brain tumor. Went
back to his physician with the results and the wait time for surgery was
months. Went back to Buffalo, NY, where surgery was performed in days.
Tumor was cancerous. Having caught it early, along with the type tumor it
was, shows good prognosis for recovery.

Newby wrote:
Is the situation found in the video at the attached link typical of Canadian
healthcare?

http://www.freemarketcure.com/brainsurgery.php

Video will be painfully slow to load on dial-up.

In a nutshell, patient needed an MRI as his physician thought he might have
a brain tumor. Quoted wait time for an MRI was 8 months. Got one in
Buffalo, NY, in several days and as suspected he had a brain tumor. Went
back to his physician with the results and the wait time for surgery was
months. Went back to Buffalo, NY, where surgery was performed in days.

Presumably he was lucky with his insurance company, or was rich enough
to pay himself.

"Mike O'Sullivan" wrote in message
...
Newby wrote:
Is the situation found in the video at the attached link typical of
Canadian
healthcare?

http://www.freemarketcure.com/brainsurgery.php

Video will be painfully slow to load on dial-up.

In a nutshell, patient needed an MRI as his physician thought he might
have
a brain tumor. Quoted wait time for an MRI was 8 months. Got one in
Buffalo, NY, in several days and as suspected he had a brain tumor. Went
back to his physician with the results and the wait time for surgery was
months. Went back to Buffalo, NY, where surgery was performed in days.

Presumably he was lucky with his insurance company, or was rich enough to
pay himself.

In Canada, we are forbidden to buy private health insurance covering
procedures primarily covered under the Canada Health Act. We are only
allowed to buy coverage for essentially NON-covered items, such as
ambulance, drugs, physio, chiro, emergencies experienced WHILE out of
Canada.

sharx35 wrote on Wed, 27 Feb 2008 05:28:19 GMT:


s "Mike O'Sullivan" wrote in message
s ...
?? Newby wrote:
?? Is the situation found in the video at the attached link
?? typical of Canadian healthcare?
??
?? http://www.freemarketcure.com/brainsurgery.php
??
?? Video will be painfully slow to load on dial-up.
??
?? In a nutshell, patient needed an MRI as his physician
?? thought he might have a brain tumor. Quoted wait time
?? for an MRI was 8 months. Got one in Buffalo, NY, in
?? several days and as suspected he had a brain tumor. Went
?? back to his physician with the results and the wait time
?? for surgery was months. Went back to Buffalo, NY, where
?? surgery was performed in days.
??
?? Presumably he was lucky with his insurance company, or was
?? rich enough to pay himself.
_____________________________
In Canada, we are forbidden to buy private health insurance
covering
procedures primarily covered under the Canada Health Act. We are
only
allowed to buy coverage for essentially NON-covered items, such
as
ambulance, drugs, physio, chiro, emergencies experienced WHILE
out of
Canada.
-------------------------------------------------

I'm a liberal and a member of the ACLU and used to admire Canada
in many ways but I did not realize that it was a maternalistic
police state. I can see having to pay income tax on the value of
employer-provided health insurance but not to be "forbidden"!


James Silverton
Potomac, Maryland

E-mail, with obvious alterations:
not.jim.silverton.at.verizon.not

"James Silverton" wrote in message
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sharx35 wrote on Wed, 27 Feb 2008 05:28:19 GMT:


s "Mike O'Sullivan" wrote in message
s ...
?? Newby wrote:
?? Is the situation found in the video at the attached link
?? typical of Canadian healthcare?
??
?? http://www.freemarketcure.com/brainsurgery.php
??
?? Video will be painfully slow to load on dial-up.
??
?? In a nutshell, patient needed an MRI as his physician
?? thought he might have a brain tumor. Quoted wait time
?? for an MRI was 8 months. Got one in Buffalo, NY, in
?? several days and as suspected he had a brain tumor. Went
?? back to his physician with the results and the wait time
?? for surgery was months. Went back to Buffalo, NY, where
?? surgery was performed in days.
??
?? Presumably he was lucky with his insurance company, or was
?? rich enough to pay himself.
_____________________________
In Canada, we are forbidden to buy private health insurance covering
procedures primarily covered under the Canada Health Act. We are only
allowed to buy coverage for essentially NON-covered items, such as
ambulance, drugs, physio, chiro, emergencies experienced WHILE out of
Canada.
-------------------------------------------------

I'm a liberal and a member of the ACLU and used to admire Canada in many
ways but I did not realize that it was a maternalistic police state. I can
see having to pay income tax on the value of employer-provided health
insurance but not to be "forbidden"!


James Silverton
Potomac, Maryland

E-mail, with obvious alterations: not.jim.silverton.at.verizon.not

Um, however, warts and all, given my druthers, I still prefer the Canadian
system. I just can't see myself paying thousands a year for coverage, which
is what I would have to do if I moved to the States. We DO have waiting list
problems in Canada, for some procedures, in some cities..but slowly, but
surely, the problems are being addressed. I know, not much consolation if
it's YOUR relative waiting for a heart transplant!

On Wed, 27 Feb 2008 17:13:15 GMT, "sharx35"
wrote:


In Canada, we are forbidden to buy private health insurance covering
procedures primarily covered under the Canada Health Act. We are only
allowed to buy coverage for essentially NON-covered items, such as
ambulance, drugs, physio, chiro, emergencies experienced WHILE out of
Canada.
-------------------------------------------------

I'm a liberal and a member of the ACLU and used to admire Canada in many
ways but I did not realize that it was a maternalistic police state. I can
see having to pay income tax on the value of employer-provided health
insurance but not to be "forbidden"!


James Silverton
Potomac, Maryland

E-mail, with obvious alterations: not.jim.silverton.at.verizon.not

Um, however, warts and all, given my druthers, I still prefer the Canadian
system. I just can't see myself paying thousands a year for coverage, which
is what I would have to do if I moved to the States. We DO have waiting list
problems in Canada, for some procedures, in some cities..but slowly, but
surely, the problems are being addressed. I know, not much consolation if
it's YOUR relative waiting for a heart transplant!

So you don't pay taxes in Canada then?

Newby wrote:
Is the situation found in the video at the attached link typical of Canadian
healthcare?

Yes, and worse in regard to waiting times. At the gastro-enterologist
office a new patient had to wait 2 years for a colonoscopy . After that
one usually gets in sooner, but ....
I myself had to wait over a year for an MRI; suspected brain tumor or
MS. I was lucky as I did not have either.
Just now, 2 weeks ago I had a scheduled day surgery; Admin wise
everythign went wrong. They are trying to get me in'quick'; expected
about mid may
Many people cannot even find a family doctor; without a family doctor
one cannot get in to see a specialist.
Welcome to socialized health care. It has it's ups and downs, like
everything else. Nothing is perfect

http://www.freemarketcure.com/brainsurgery.php

Video will be painfully slow to load on dial-up.

In a nutshell, patient needed an MRI as his physician thought he might have
a brain tumor. Quoted wait time for an MRI was 8 months. Got one in
Buffalo, NY, in several days and as suspected he had a brain tumor. Went
back to his physician with the results and the wait time for surgery was
months. Went back to Buffalo, NY, where surgery was performed in days.
Tumor was cancerous. Having caught it early, along with the type tumor it
was, shows good prognosis for recovery.

James Silverton wrote:

sharx35 wrote on Wed, 27 Feb 2008 05:28:19 GMT:


s "Mike O'Sullivan" wrote in message
s ...
?? Newby wrote:
?? Is the situation found in the video at the attached link
?? typical of Canadian healthcare?
??
?? http://www.freemarketcure.com/brainsurgery.php
??
?? Video will be painfully slow to load on dial-up.
??
?? In a nutshell, patient needed an MRI as his physician
?? thought he might have a brain tumor. Quoted wait time
?? for an MRI was 8 months. Got one in Buffalo, NY, in
?? several days and as suspected he had a brain tumor. Went
?? back to his physician with the results and the wait time
?? for surgery was months. Went back to Buffalo, NY, where
?? surgery was performed in days.
??
?? Presumably he was lucky with his insurance company, or was
?? rich enough to pay himself.
_____________________________
In Canada, we are forbidden to buy private health insurance covering
procedures primarily covered under the Canada Health Act. We are only
allowed to buy coverage for essentially NON-covered items, such as
ambulance, drugs, physio, chiro, emergencies experienced WHILE out of
Canada.
-------------------------------------------------

I'm a liberal and a member of the ACLU and used to admire Canada in many
ways but I did not realize that it was a maternalistic police state. I
can see having to pay income tax on the value of employer-provided
health insurance but not to be "forbidden"!


Oh, we can buy it; anyone will take our money. Just that the hospitals
are government run and don't recognize private insurance in general,
although one can have private insurance for a private room ( when
available), but not for procedures to be done.
We are all 'equal' :-)

Newby wrote:
Is the situation found in the video at the attached link typical of Canadian
healthcare?

No but it is possible that something like this could happen. On the
other hand I remember the CBC interview with the American who held up a
post office because in a Federal US prison he could get treatment for
cancer that he was not able to get otherwise.

Any system can have real screw-ups.

http://www.freemarketcure.com/brainsurgery.php

Video will be painfully slow to load on dial-up.

In a nutshell, patient needed an MRI as his physician thought he might have
a brain tumor. Quoted wait time for an MRI was 8 months. Got one in
Buffalo, NY, in several days and as suspected he had a brain tumor. Went
back to his physician with the results and the wait time for surgery was
months. Went back to Buffalo, NY, where surgery was performed in days.
Tumor was cancerous. Having caught it early, along with the type tumor it
was, shows good prognosis for recovery.


--
John Kane, Kingston ON Canada

In article zzlxj.58935$C61.14877@edtnps89, paula
wrote:

Newby wrote:
Is the situation found in the video at the attached link typical of Canadian
healthcare?

Yes, and worse in regard to waiting times.

In the news just weeks ago was the crisis in neonatal care units in the
western provinces... they are sending many mother's to Washington State
for their critical care... but I believe that their government is
footing the bill.... you can't reschedule an existing pregnancy ;-)


jay
Wed Feb 27, 2008




At the gastro-enterologist
office a new patient had to wait 2 years for a colonoscopy . After that
one usually gets in sooner, but ....
I myself had to wait over a year for an MRI; suspected brain tumor or
MS. I was lucky as I did not have either.
Just now, 2 weeks ago I had a scheduled day surgery; Admin wise
everythign went wrong. They are trying to get me in'quick'; expected
about mid may
Many people cannot even find a family doctor; without a family doctor
one cannot get in to see a specialist.
Welcome to socialized health care. It has it's ups and downs, like
everything else. Nothing is perfect

http://www.freemarketcure.com/brainsurgery.php

Video will be painfully slow to load on dial-up.

In a nutshell, patient needed an MRI as his physician thought he might have
a brain tumor. Quoted wait time for an MRI was 8 months. Got one in
Buffalo, NY, in several days and as suspected he had a brain tumor. Went
back to his physician with the results and the wait time for surgery was
months. Went back to Buffalo, NY, where surgery was performed in days.
Tumor was cancerous. Having caught it early, along with the type tumor it
was, shows good prognosis for recovery.