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Southwest Airlines Jumping on the "Cashless Cabin" Bandwagon



 
 
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Old September 4th, 2008, 05:39 AM posted to rec.travel.air
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Default Southwest Airlines Jumping on the "Cashless Cabin" Bandwagon

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John Doe wrote:

Now that VISA and MasterCard have pretty well abandonned the concept of
any VISA card being usable anywhere in the world


Huh? How so? Mine still seems to work pretty much everywhere.

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Old September 4th, 2008, 05:45 AM posted to rec.travel.air
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Default Southwest Airlines Jumping on the "Cashless Cabin" Bandwagon

Rog' wrote:

"DevilsPGD" wrote:

For the cash-only society, we'll probably see airport vending
machines start selling Visa-logoed prepaid cards right in the
airport, allowing planes to remain cashless, while allowing the
cash-only crowd to effectively buy a voucher for plane food.



They could do what some cruiselines do: At check-in, issue
their own on-board charge cards which runs up debits against
a cash deposit or a credit card. But then, where would they
put the casino?


That was Zoom.
The "cash-only" people lost.
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Old September 4th, 2008, 07:35 AM posted to rec.travel.air
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In message Larry in AZ
wrote:

Waiving the right to remain silent, SMS said:

You see more and more businesses in general moving cashless. A few
retro-grouch customers are lost, but there are sufficient advantages to
not taking cash to still make it a net positive.


On our US currency it is printed: "This note is legal tender for all debts
public and private" As such, anyone not accepting it in the correct amount
is most likely breaking federal law.


Indeed -- Note the key word "debts"

If the airline were to announce prices, serve drinks, then request
payment, a debt is owed and legal tender cannot be refused.

However, if the airline requires payment for drinks in advance, there is
no debt, and therefore any choice of payment method is acceptable, if
the parties cannot come to terms then there is no deal, and no money nor
product changes hands.
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Old September 4th, 2008, 07:35 AM posted to rec.travel.air
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In message SMS
wrote:

DevilsPGD wrote:

For the cash-only society, we'll probably see airport vending machines
start selling Visa-logoed prepaid cards right in the airport, allowing
planes to remain cashless, while allowing the cash-only crowd to
effectively buy a voucher for plane food.


Perhaps. Remember that those prepaid cards often have very hefty fees
associated with them. There are activation fees, monthly or annual fees,
inactivity fees, and reload fees.


Some do, some don't. You can buy a $50 card at my usual grocery store
for about $55, no fees beyond that, however it has a relatively short
expiration date and cannot be reloaded.

The details could be worked out relatively trivially, possibly with the
airline covering some of the difference, similar to how gift cards are
handled in stores, many of which are actually run by companies
specializing in credit card processing and issuing.
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Old September 4th, 2008, 07:35 AM posted to rec.travel.air
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In message John Doe
wrote:

Rik Brown wrote:
It was reported by Bizjournals online that Southwest Airlines:
is jumping on the so-called “cashless cabin” bandwagon.



Am not opposed to this in concept. However, i think there are still a
lot of people who do not have credit cards. Perhaps in the USA it is
different, but in Canada, one now needs to be 18 to have a credit card.
(and one needs to be 16 to get a credit card attached to their parent's
account).


Accepting debit becomes trivial once there is internet connectivity
onboard.

(For those who don't know, in Canada, debit and credit are done entirely
different from each other, debit requires a PIN and must be authorized
in real time, the PIN cannot be stored under any circumstances, so end
to end live connectivity is absolutely required. This is similar to the
US, if you request a debit card without a Visa/MC logo)
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Old September 4th, 2008, 07:35 AM posted to rec.travel.air
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jessica_smith_nyc wrote:

Do they still allow you to bring your own food and drinks on board?


Yes, although drinks must be either purchased in the airport due to TSA
regulations.
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Old September 4th, 2008, 01:06 PM posted to rec.travel.air
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Default Southwest Airlines Jumping on the "Cashless Cabin" Bandwagon

In article ,
"Rog'" wrote:

"DevilsPGD" wrote:
For the cash-only society, we'll probably see airport vending
machines start selling Visa-logoed prepaid cards right in the
airport, allowing planes to remain cashless, while allowing the
cash-only crowd to effectively buy a voucher for plane food.


They could do what some cruiselines do: At check-in, issue
their own on-board charge cards which runs up debits against
a cash deposit or a credit card. But then, where would they
put the casino?


Didn't Virgin or one of the European airlines put a casino in the
hump of a 747 years ago?
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Old September 4th, 2008, 01:24 PM posted to rec.travel.air
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Default Southwest Airlines Jumping on the "Cashless Cabin" Bandwagon

On Sep 3, 1:56*pm, Rik Brown Rik.Brown.3f6...@no-
mx.forums.travel.com wrote:
It was reported by Bizjournals online that Southwest Airlines:

is jumping on the so-called “cashless cabin” bandwagon.The Dallas-based
airline said all of its aircraft will be equipped with devices to
handle credit- and debit-card transactions from passengers. Cash will
no longer be accepted for beverage purchases during flights, beginning
next Tuesday.Good idea? Southwest sure seems to think so.....


--
Rik Brown
Message Origin: TRAVEL.com


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I was perusing a thread about this on FlyerTalk.

As to whether they are (by law) required to accept cash. Nope, read
he
http://www.ustreas.gov/education/faq...l-tender.shtml

snip
Private businesses are free to develop their own policies on whether
or not to accept cash unless there is a State law which says
otherwise. For example, a bus line may prohibit payment of fares in
pennies or dollar bills. In addition, movie theaters, convenience
stores and gas stations may refuse to accept large denomination
currency (usually notes above $20) as a matter of policy.
/snip

Not sure if they do this at all airports but they do sell drink coupon
books at the ticket counters.
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Old September 5th, 2008, 07:19 PM posted to rec.travel.air
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Default Southwest Airlines Jumping on the "Cashless Cabin" Bandwagon

Shawn Hirn wrote:

That makes sense. In fact, in NJ, there's a plan to do fully automated
toll collection on the Atlantic City Expressway. Anyone who doesn't
already have an EZ-Pass transponder can pull into a rest stop and buy a
temporary one in order to pay the toll.


I've exited freeways in Texas and Florida where they have coins only
baskets for toll collection. In one case I had just gotten off a flight
and had no coins (I tend to not take any coins with me on airplanes). I
just drove through. Nothing ever came of it. I guess it was the honor
system. There were no cameras that I saw.

For Fastrack in the Bay Area, several times I've had the transponder not
register when I go through. But if you register your transponder you can
enter the vehicle license plate number (multiple vehicles) and then they
bill your account based on the photo they take of your license plate.
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Old September 5th, 2008, 07:21 PM posted to rec.travel.air
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Default Southwest Airlines Jumping on the "Cashless Cabin" Bandwagon

DevilsPGD wrote:
In message Larry in AZ
wrote:

Waiving the right to remain silent, SMS said:

You see more and more businesses in general moving cashless. A few
retro-grouch customers are lost, but there are sufficient advantages to
not taking cash to still make it a net positive.

On our US currency it is printed: "This note is legal tender for all debts
public and private" As such, anyone not accepting it in the correct amount
is most likely breaking federal law.


Indeed -- Note the key word "debts"

If the airline were to announce prices, serve drinks, then request
payment, a debt is owed and legal tender cannot be refused.

However, if the airline requires payment for drinks in advance, there is
no debt, and therefore any choice of payment method is acceptable, if
the parties cannot come to terms then there is no deal, and no money nor
product changes hands.


The last time I flew, in August, I ordered a cocktail (only because I
had a bunch of free coupons for Delta). They didn't request payment
until after the drink was delivered.
 




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