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Immigration Cards - Russia.
On Mon, 22 Mar 2004 10:02:44 +0700, Citronella
wrote: The immigration cards are stamped with the official stamp of the places where you stay. You don't fill in the card, the hotel fills in the card. If you do a private homestay (which is a totally separate issue compared to staying at hotels) then the immigration official in whatever city you are staying in fills in the form and stamps it. I should have said 'you only fill in your personal details' and should not have said 'you don't fill in the card'. C. |
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Immigration Cards - Russia.
mtravelkay wrote:
maryanne kehoe wrote: Yes, but as I understand it the immigration card lists ALL of your addresses that you will be at during your time in the country. A lot of people were staying in private accomodation and not registering with the local militia (police) as is required within 72 hours of arriving in the country. The immigration card was designed to counteract that. How does this prevent people from lieing about the addresses they will be staying at? How does this change anything? If the concern is about illegal immigrants, then they should be able to determine if they have a valid visa or not, and if it has been registered. How does the immigration card improve on this, other than give you a second piece of Russian government paper to carry around? Sounds like she has the issue of internal Russian migration (domestic residence permits are required for some Russian cities) confused with this immigration card.... -- Best Greg |
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Immigration Cards - Russia.
KGB wrote:
On Sat, 20 Mar 2004 21:28:25 -0500 (EST), (maryanne kehoe) wrote: Yes, but as I understand it the immigration card lists ALL of your addresses that you will be at during your time in the country. A lot of people were staying in private accomodation and not registering with the local militia (police) as is required within 72 hours of arriving in the country. The immigration card was designed to counteract that. Hi Maryanne The original plan was for my wife and I to stay with a family in private accomodation in Moscow for a few days prior to the start of our Trans-Sib trip. However, we were subsequently informed by our travel company that this has now been banned by the authorities and we would have to stay in a hotel instead. Or maybe your travel company just wants to make a commission on hotel bookings :-) Your reply presumably indicates why it has been banned. First off, I wouldn't put any stock in any "information" Maryanne might give you.... Secondly, I'd contact the Russian Embassy in the UK to clarify matters. Here is the URL (with downloadable forms, etc.)...I'd give them a ring concerning the matter of private accomodations in Russia. Nothing I've seen on the UK or US Russian Consular sites mentions anything about private accomodations being "forbidden" (or maybe those websites just don't have the very latest info): http://www.rusemblon.org/ I'm also x - posting this to rec.travel.europe. There *are* quite a few well - informed posters on rte who may be able to offer some advice. -- Best Greg |
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Immigration Cards - Russia.
AFAIK there's no ban on staying in Private Acommodation, you just need a
letter of invite which involves someone at their end carrying out the neccessary paperwork (sending you a letter of invitation to take to the embassy to get your visa etc.). They did go through my paperwork fairly rigidly at the border on the way out so it's worth getting it right. I've always found www.waytorussia.net extremely helpful. Everbrite's info on the Thorn Tree at Lonely Planet is good too. They'll have up to date info and are quite good at letting you know how it actually works, sometimes better than the embassy's rigid official line. "Gregory Morrow" wrote in message om... KGB wrote: On Sat, 20 Mar 2004 21:28:25 -0500 (EST), (maryanne kehoe) wrote: Yes, but as I understand it the immigration card lists ALL of your addresses that you will be at during your time in the country. A lot of people were staying in private accomodation and not registering with the local militia (police) as is required within 72 hours of arriving in the country. The immigration card was designed to counteract that. Hi Maryanne The original plan was for my wife and I to stay with a family in private accomodation in Moscow for a few days prior to the start of our Trans-Sib trip. However, we were subsequently informed by our travel company that this has now been banned by the authorities and we would have to stay in a hotel instead. Or maybe your travel company just wants to make a commission on hotel bookings :-) Your reply presumably indicates why it has been banned. First off, I wouldn't put any stock in any "information" Maryanne might give you.... Secondly, I'd contact the Russian Embassy in the UK to clarify matters. Here is the URL (with downloadable forms, etc.)...I'd give them a ring concerning the matter of private accomodations in Russia. Nothing I've seen on the UK or US Russian Consular sites mentions anything about private accomodations being "forbidden" (or maybe those websites just don't have the very latest info): http://www.rusemblon.org/ I'm also x - posting this to rec.travel.europe. There *are* quite a few well - informed posters on rte who may be able to offer some advice. -- Best Greg |
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Immigration Cards - Russia.
louis xiv wrote: AFAIK there's no ban on staying in Private Acommodation, you just need a letter of invite which involves someone at their end carrying out the neccessary paperwork (sending you a letter of invitation to take to the embassy to get your visa etc.). They did go through my paperwork fairly rigidly at the border on the way out so it's worth getting it right. I think the problem is that they are getting the wrong kind of visa for this. It sounds like they are getting a "tourist visa" when they would need a "private visa". |
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Immigration Cards - Russia.
mtravelkay schrieb:
Is this card in addition to the visa? I don't see the reason behind having a card since you would normally have you visa checked on arrival, registered at the hotel (or business, or with the government), then checked again at departure. The immigration card will be stamped upon registration, not the visa. Regards & X-post, ULF |
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Immigration Cards - Russia.
Yes but my understanding is that a private visa would be more applicable for
those with friends or family in Russia whereas it might be possible to get a (more straightforward) tourist visa if staying with a family as a paying guest. It's complicated and I'd still be tempted to seek advice from Lonely Planet or Way to Russia websites.. "mtravelkay" wrote in message . com... louis xiv wrote: AFAIK there's no ban on staying in Private Acommodation, you just need a letter of invite which involves someone at their end carrying out the neccessary paperwork (sending you a letter of invitation to take to the embassy to get your visa etc.). They did go through my paperwork fairly rigidly at the border on the way out so it's worth getting it right. I think the problem is that they are getting the wrong kind of visa for this. It sounds like they are getting a "tourist visa" when they would need a "private visa". |
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Immigration Cards - Russia.
"KGB" (KGB) wrote in message ...
Hi My wife and I are shortly "doing" the Trans-Sib rail trip from Moscow to Beijing, flying into Moscow's Domodedovo Airport at the start of the journey. However, I have just received the following info from the travel company:- "In accordance with the new laws on immigration, all foreign visitors to Russia are now (as of 9th Jan 2003) to be issued with an Immigration Card. The card will be issued to you on arrival by the Immigration Officer who examines your passport at Passport Control. The card is extremely important - effectively as important as your passport and you MUST NOT LOSE IT. If you lose it, it will prejudice your position most severely.......However, the implementation of the Immigration Card scheme has not gone entirely smoothly and there have been reports that some border posts - at Moscow and St Petersburg airports - do not have an adequate supply of the forms. This obviously places visitors in a difficult position which we are unable to advise upon......" It goes on to suggest that you try and insist on being given a card and if this fails, "...They cannot reasonably take action against you if you were not given an Immigration Form in the first place" - which sounds to be a Catch 22 situation to me and a trifle dodgy!!!! What happens if they don't give you a card? Have the Russian Authorities resolved the problem yet and if not, can the card be downloaded and printed out from the WWW in advance? - (I know this is possible with the Customs Declaration Form but cannot find any reference to the Immigration card being downloadable). Any recent experiences in this matter and up-to-date info would be appreciated - neither my wife nor myself fancy languishing in a cell at the Russia/Mongolia border whilst the lack of Immigration Card is sorted out!!!!!! Relax. Don't worry. You will get an immigration card either during the flight or just before the passport checkpoint at the border. AFAIK, the problems referred to was a temporary situation which has been sorted out by now, and they won't even let you enter until you have filled in the immigation card. For any non-US citizen who has visited the US, the card and the procedure are both very familiar. The card looks like this: http://www.waytorussia.net/RussianVi...rationCard.jpg A larger sample can be seen he http://www.waytorussia.net/RussianVi...rationCard.pdf But you can NOT print this one out and use it, since the real cards are numbered and have a slightly different format. But this shows you what information is asked for on the card, and as you can see it's all just very basic info. Bjorn |
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Immigration Cards - Russia.
Citronella wrote in message . ..
The immigration cards are stamped with the official stamp of the places where you stay. You don't fill in the card, the hotel fills in the card. No, you fill in the card, the hotel does not fill in the card. http://www.waytorussia.net/RussianVi...rationCard.pdf Bjorn |
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