?How about 30 days in South Africa starting next month?

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On Feb 11, 1:27 pm, "Corné" wrote:
I don't buy any of your arguments, and I am disappointed in your racist
and
patronising attitude.
Too bad I don't have your adress, would immediately let my attorney sue you.
Patronising is your nickame, isn't?

Anyway, I am not going to spend more time in reading your moral, patronising
and most of all deformation of character posts.

PLOINK!


Marc, I have to say I'm disappointed at the overwhelming silence from
the NG on this. Not only are you right on this matter, but I applaud
you for making the point, and for taking the time to defend the point.

By way of reference, this isn't the first time Corné has lost the plot
in this NG.

Kurt


Well, he certainly provoked me out of my long silence.

Catherine

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"Corné" wrote:

Anyway, I am not going to spend more time in reading your moral, patronising
and most of all deformation of character posts.

I think you'd better consider who exactly 'deformed' your character.

Slainte

Liz


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Well, he certainly provoked me out of my long silence.

Catherine


Now you see where a good discussion can lead to Funny by the way the
comment from the author of this post:

"Thanks for the advice. I have unpaid (slightly speeding) tickets from
New Zealand, Mexico and a counrty in eastern europe."

Keep well.

Regards from hot Balule (38), thunderstorms are on their way.

Corné.

www.amukela.com

Corne,

I've never been one to shy away from a legitimate discussion/arguement but I
don't usually like to let them degrade into a sort of pointless ****ing
contest because I remember it all too well from the good old days of CB
radio. "You tell me where you are good buddy, and I come over there and show
you what's what!" etc.

However, if you feel I have wronged you and would like your day in court,
please feel free to excercise your constitutional right in terms of the laws
of this country.

Marc Lurie
P.O. Box 28902
Sandringham
2131

Hmmm? A man admits to criminal acts on a public forum and then gets upset
and wants to sue for deformation (sic) of character?

"Corné" wrote in message
...



I don't buy any of your arguments, and I am disappointed in your racist
and
patronising attitude.

Too bad I don't have your adress, would immediately let my attorney sue
you.
Patronising is your nickame, isn't?

Anyway, I am not going to spend more time in reading your moral,
patronising
and most of all deformation of character posts.

PLOINK!

Hi Kurt,

I am also a little dissapointed at the lack of feedback from other regulars,
but perhaps they are simply reading and making up their own minds. Perhaps
some feel the same way as Corne? Thank you for voicing your support.

Anyway, I vaguely remember having a run-in with Corne about a similar issue
perhaps a year or two back. I think I'll try to do a bit of searching
through the NG to see if I can find it.

Cheers,
Marc
wrote in message
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On Feb 11, 1:27 pm, "Corné" wrote:
Marc, I have to say I'm disappointed at the overwhelming silence from
the NG on this. Not only are you right on this matter, but I applaud
you for making the point, and for taking the time to defend the point.

By way of reference, this isn't the first time Corné has lost the plot
in this NG.

Kurt

Hi Catherine,



I forgot to respond to your post about rape because I was so angry after
reading Corne's response, but I wanted to thank you for your support on this
thread.



The issue of rape and sexual abuse in South Africa is quite close to home
for me as my girlfriend runs an NGO that does educational work, focussing
mostly on teenage and pre-teen sexuality, primary health care, abuse and
empowerment issues, and HIV awareness etc. Corne said that poverty isn't the
only reason for the terrible rape statistics and I have to agree with him.
In fact, poverty doesn't play ANY role in the prevalence of rape. The
biggest contributor to the scourge is personal attitudes towards gender
issues and sexuality.



The strange paradox is that countries with traditionally the most
puritanical mores (much of Africa and South America) are often those with
the highest rates of abuse, and those with liberal or "immoral" mores
(western Europe and Scandinavia) have the lowest rates of abuse.



Women in sexually licentious Sweden can walk around in skimpy revealing
clothing without fear of attack, but in conservative, god-fearing, highly
moral Lesotho she would be in grave danger. More interesting is the fact
that when asked why there is so much abuse happening in the country, most
conservative, god-fearing, highly moral people blame the "moral decay" on
things such as legalised same-sex marriage, legalised abortion, freely
available condoms etc.



All of this however, is really the subject of a completely different thread,
so I'll leave it here.



Regards,

Marc




"pecan" wrote in message
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Well, he certainly provoked me out of my long silence.

Catherine

--
== Not nuts, just a little eccentric ==
http://www.africanbush.co.za
African Bush Tours and Safaris

Marc Lurie schreef:
You're quite correct. I am also distressed that there seems to be a lack of
government willingness to tackle certain issues, and a lack of comprehension
about the importance of solving certain problems. I am particularly
disturbed by the culture of "entitlement" that has become far more aggresive
than in the past, and I am very concerned that convicted CRIMINALS like Tony
Yengeni and Shabir Sheik (and not-yet convicted criminals like Jacob Zuma)
are being treated as virtual heroes or matyrs.

Of course I agree with you. But it isn't just negligence by the
government. What about the recent stir when FNB was "advised" by
government officials not to fulfill their R20 million advertising
campaign against crime? It isn't just that government seems to have
other priorities. What is maybe even worse is that they do not accept
criticism. Any critics (whether on fighting crime or fighting AIDS etc)
are immediately labelled as counter productive or even racist.

This way many people and businesses in South Africa are just afraid to
speak out openly. Certainly businesses who need government contracts or
just plain support (or even something as simple as a permit) are afraid
to speak out because any criticism on the governement will be held
against them.

This is not a free, open and transparent democracy. And I don't think
this is what Mandela had in mind in 1994.

Regards,
Hans

But it isn't just negligence by the
government. What about the recent stir when FNB was "advised" by
government officials not to fulfill their R20 million advertising
campaign against crime? It isn't just that government seems to have
other priorities. What is maybe even worse is that they do not accept
criticism. Any critics (whether on fighting crime or fighting AIDS etc)
are immediately labelled as counter productive or even racist.

This way many people and businesses in South Africa are just afraid to
speak out openly. Certainly businesses who need government contracts or
just plain support (or even something as simple as a permit) are afraid
to speak out because any criticism on the governement will be held
against them.

This is not a free, open and transparent democracy. And I don't think
this is what Mandela had in mind in 1994.

Regards,
Hans

Totally agree, this government has a big problem with criticism. SA
struggles between a modern and western policy, and a traditional almost
tribal African way.

In my opinion SA will become more and more an African country, with one
party (ANC). Democracy is an European way of life.

Regards,

Corné.

www.amukela.com

"Liz Leyden" schreef in bericht
...
In message
"Corné" wrote:

Anyway, I am not going to spend more time in reading your moral,
patronising
and most of all deformation of character posts.

I think you'd better consider who exactly 'deformed' your character.

Slainte

Liz


Hey Lizzie, long time no see. How are your projects going? Yes I know,
speaking out of your heart is something which is not always appreciated,
especially not when you're in bed with the BEE here in SA.

But I stand for what I said, just adapting to the african culture

Regards,

Corné.

www.amukela.com

What do you mean by "African culture" Corne? Do you mean a common culture
shared by all Africans from Algeria to Zimbabwe? If so, please elaborate,
and please explain the commonalities of culture between Libyans and
Liberians for example. (Or Angolans and Algerians, or Moroccans and
Mozambiquans for that matter).

You missed my point about Yoruba and Shona being as culturally different
from each other as Finns and Belgians are, and my guess is that you will be
unable to define a pan-African common culture.

I put it to you that you are not "adapting to the african culture" as much
as you are contributing to the breakdown of moral and ethical mores in your
adoptive African country.

"Corné" wrote in message
...

SNIP
But I stand for what I said, just adapting to the african culture

Regards,

Corné.

www.amukela.com