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ALERT!! American Airlines Employees Plan Holiday Sick Out!
It's all well and good, and as you say, what is happening in your working
environment is not something that I am concerned with. What I am concerned with is the fact that your airline has taken just over $8,000.00 from me for 6 round trip tickets for holiday travel, and that there is a distinct possibility that our flights may get cancelled. 8 grand is a lot of money to me, it's nearly a years worth of mortgage payments on my home, and I forked it over to your airline in one shot for a ride. When I call your airline with concerns about news items regarding possible sick outs and cancellations, I was delivered nothing short of snotty, bitch attitude that all but bluntly said, we've got your revenue and we are NOT giving it back for any reason. If your flight gets cancelled, we'll book you on the next available flight, if that one gets cancelled, we'll book you again but there are no refunds, the limit of our liability is to continue to book you on flights until we get you there and back, and whatever hassle you have to go through to make that happen is not something we care about. That isn't a good way to treat customers when your airline faces tough economic times. Believe me, since that phone incident, I've told everyone I know planning travel NOT to use AA. It wasn't because of how a flight attendant treated me, it was because of how the company treated me on the phone. It wasn't that long ago that your company executives were in the news for stashing away millions and millions of dollars while they cried to the government how broke they were, and hid that fact from employees so they could get wage concessions from you. The taxpayers handed the airlines a 15 billion dollar bail out package and american airlines was busy stashing millions away to protect its bigshots in case they decided to bankrupt the airline. I remember this so my 8 grand is a lot more important than you might think. All I can see is a fat cat executive pocketing my 8 grand and telling me that I have to put up with whatever bull**** they dish out to me at the airport in exchange for that. No thank you! Your airline certainly doesn't care about it's customers and, from the basis of your post and the original post here, they also don't care about you as an employee. It sounds as if you are severely over worked, spread entirely too thin, and are having to fight 24/7 just to get paid decently for what you do and your employer doesn't want to pay you for it. When your employer publicly treats you like GARBAGE, just how do you expect the traveling public to treat you as well? When your employer scammed wage cuts out of you while simultaneously stashing millions for themselves, that sent a very clear signal to the public that american airlines employees are available to be treated like sub-human trash. To appease all of you, your CEO went running with all his millions and a new guy stepped in and you all shut up like you had won something. Your problems at work are your own and in this instance, you are the purveyors of your own work environment grief. Atonement begins at home. Your airline would do well to clean up it's public image and treat it's customers with respect. Thats how you turn a profit, and thats how you are able to pay your employees what they are worth. "lonestarstag" wrote in message .. . Hello people, I don't really know exactly where to begin, and I will try to not be long-winded... First off all, let me explain why this flight attendant posted this message. If someone came in and turned your entire "work-world" upside down in the course of 2 or 3 months, and I mean LITERALLY upside-down, you would want to vent and share your experience, too. You would hold a lot of animosity towards your company, and your union (in our case), and you would probably resent having 30 to 40% of your income taken away after you had put so much into your company and your product. Doing it to help keep your company financially afloat, when you don't EXACTLY know for sure how your company stands financially doesn't make it any easier to swallow either. As an American flight attendant, I can understand this person's frustration on something that we seemingly have no control over. Our entire industry is in a state of chaos and only the clear and long-term thinkers will survive. Secondly, let me make this VERY clear, we are NOT planning an "organized" sick-out for the holidays. What is actually going to happen is this. Since we have layed off over 7,000 flight attendants, those of us that are left have moved back DOWN the seniority ladder. We are unionized, so ourentre lives are based on our date-of-hire, just like at so many other companies. Many of us that are used to holding the holidays off (under normal monthly bidding circumstances) will not be able to hold the holidays this year or any year in the forseeable future. These people will be VERY tempted to call in sick for the holidays, and I can understand that, although if I can't hold the holidays off this year, well, so be it, I'll just fly whatever I get. The one thing that most passengers don't understand is that most airlines have a safety net as far as staffing goes. We have a system called "reserve" that keeps several hundred flight attendants on call at any given time to fill in for the ones that call in sick, or misconnect, or fall ill during a trip. This helps to keep everything running more smoothly. During holiday months, bad weather months, etc... they can run short on reserve crewmembers, which means that they start reassigning regular crewmembers that are "in the air" to cover the shorted flights. This means that although you may have a set schedule and not be a "reserve" flight attendant, your trip may actually be extended for 1 or 2 more days, to which you have no choice but do. That makes it very difficult to plan anything at home with your friends or family on the days off that you are SUPPOSED to have. But that's another story... Thirdly, the section that started with "Lemme point out why nobody should give a ****" was interesting and colorful. Personally, I don't think that anyone would give a **** about our problems, except for us, American, and the FAA. To be honest, I hate to say it, but like I said I AM being honest, if you work at Burger King and they make you work a triple shift, well I just don't really care as long as I get my order. That is just the human response. I understand that when you buy a ticket on any airline that you just want to get from point a to point b in one piece and relatively on time, with all of your baggage. I am suprised however that you went to such great lengths to ridicule and condescend to the flight attendant that originally posted his/her message. I, as an educated adult would never walk into my dentist's office and expect to understand what his work schedule and working conditions were. I would never walk into McDonald's and assume that I knew what each one of the employee's work duties entailed or what their work rules were like. Why would you presume to know what a flight attendant's life is like? I will try to cover the points that you made in your response. part 1, #1 Only the MOST senior flight attendants (15-50 years) YES 50 YEARS, would make that amount working 20 hours a week. Remember that we only accrue time in the air so it takes us several days a week to accrue 20 hours. All of the hours that we spend before, in-between, anf after flights accomplishing our duties, doing paperwork, commuting, etc, are all on our own time. For most of us it would take 4 days to accrue 20 hours, so, we are actually at work for 72 to 80 hours to accrue that amount of time. When we are at work, we are not just free to run amuck whereever we happen to be, we are under the constand rules, guidelines, and scrutiny of the comapany. We don't run around and drink and vacation and carouse like the old stereotypes let on. For junior flight attendants, they would have to work AT LEAST 5 to 6 days a week to make $40K. And that means be away from their homes, families, and children to make that much money. Your next question might be "Well, if it sucks that bad, why don't you just quit?" I can answer that by saying that our careers are more of a "lifestyle" than a "job". Although, it has become much more of a job lately... part 1, #2 I think that was answered in the above response. part 1, #3 Yes, the FAA does require a minumum amount of crew rest and you should be very thankful that they do. In most aircraft accidents, it was a series of events that occurred that made it happen. It is very important that the pilots get as much sleep as they need so as to not overlook ONE setting, or mistake ONE reading that can cause the cycle of events to begin. As far as the flight attendants go, the job of serving peanuts and coke are the secondary responsibilites that we accomplish during every flight. We need to be alert as well. Our duties begin way before you show up for your flight and continue way after you have deplaned. Although we seem to be not paying attention to anything in particular, we size every passenger up during boarding, we are aware of every sound and every smell on a particular aircraft, and although you make not think we are paying attention, we are aware of EVERYTHING and are in communication with the pilots during every flight. You might say that nothing ever goes on on any flights you've ever been on, but I assure you that if you knew of all of the mechanical, medical, and security emergencies that occur on a daily basis, you might reconsider flying as your choice of transportation. 99% of everything unusual that goes on during a flight is never communicated with the passengers. As far as the rest time goes, it is 8 hrs "block to block". That means that the 8 hours start when your flight gets to the gate until when you have to be on the plane for the next flight. This does not take into consideration passengers de-planing, cleaning the aircraft, completing post flight paperwork, walking to your hotel shuttle pick-up point, waiting for your hotel van (up to 45 minutes is allowed), travel time to your hotel, checking into your hotel, unpacking, showering, going immediately to sleep, getting up and getting ready, possibly getting something to eat, taking the hotel van back to the airport, going through the security check point, getting to you gate 1 hour before departure time to complete you briefing with the agents, captain, air marshalls, etc, and boarding 30 minutes before departure. That really doesn't leave much time for sleep. You are lucky to get 4 hours, 5 max, of sleep. After being on duty for 14 or 15 hours and having to complete 14 or 15 hours of duty for 2 or 3 days in a row with this amount of sleep IS difficult. part 1, #4 Of course we sit down during flights when we have an opportunity. Why wouldn't we? Should we just pace up and down the aisles non-stop for 2 or 3 hours? What would be the point of that? We are always available should someone need something or should there be a problem. Where would we go to hide out? The vast majority of passengers want to be left alone anyway. I understand that it doesn't look like we are doing much of anything. Why would it look any other way to a passenger? part 2, #1 There are actually very rarely any pretzels left over. If there are any left we usually walk through the cabin and offer the to the passengers who may want another bag. Considering that there is only about 5 pretzels in a bag, most people gladly take a second one. If you have ever seen extra bags of pretzels in our carts or in our galleys it is because they are scheduled for the next flight. We are quite often "double-catered" and we are not allowed, for obvious reasons, to break into the stuff that is scheduled for the next flight. As far as "that enormous bag" goes, it actually holds 50 bags of pretzels. If we have 115 passengers, they usually give us 3 bags. Sometimes they actually give us 2 bags and 15 individual bags of pretzels! part 2, #2 There might be a good 20 minutes in between flights for you as a passenger but there are many times where we have 35 or 40 minutes to connect to our next flight but you are not considering the fact that that includes us cleaning the aircraft from our last flight, gathering OUR belongings, and traipsing through huge terminals to get to our next gate to prepare our new aircraft for boarding. This includes emergency equipment checks, security checks, the briefings, catering checks, etc... We generally board the passengers 30 to 40 minutes before departure. Where is the time to get something to eat, even at McDonalds? By the way, if we putz around, or go get something to eat and we cause boarding to be delayed and our departure to be delayed, we must answer for it with paperwork and supervisor questioning. You might think, well take food with you, or get something to eat in the morning and drag it along. Well, the problem with this is that I'm a grown man (6',1", 185 lbs.). What exactly could I bring that would be non-perishable, that would make a meal for me, that I could drag around, along with my other stuff, for 4 or 5 days? Also, our show times at the airport are VERY early and nothing is open to get something to eat at. So no, we are not "full of ****" as you so colorfully put it. You said in parts of your response that you wouldn't mind fewer flight attendants onboard your flight. I do know that you have never had an in-flight emergency. You said you could seat yourself, that you eat and drink before you get on, which I applaud, and that there's nothing a flight attendant can do during an in-flight medical or security emergency, that would be of any use to anyone. I personally have delivered a baby, had more than one person stop breathing, had a passenger try to get into the cockpit in-flight, had a passenger have a heart attack, have had engine failure, have had a full hydraulic failure (like United's Sioux City crash) and many more countless episodes, and I haven't lost a passenger yet. I assure you that if you ever did have an emergency of any kind on any of your flights (God forbid!) that you would want as many of us on there as possible. I guess what I'm trying to say to you is that you don't need to consider our welfare when you are flying on our airline, or any airline for that matter. That's not your job. It is my job, however, to consider YOUR welfare, at least while you are with me. Personally, your work life is none of my concern. However, that doesn't mean that ANY of us should be mean-spirited or presumptuous towards anyone else. Not everyone is in a position to quit their job when they want to, no matter how much you hate it. I'm sure you know what that is like. We have ALL been in that position. I truly enjoy my career, although I am not happy with the current situation. I will do what I can to change it and if I can't then I will have the grace to leave it when I am able. I realize that everyone working for ANY company in ANY industry is going through changes right now. Our economy is readjusting and so are we. The main thing to remember is that we are ALL in this together. Being presumptuous shows a lack of education and moreso a lack of character. I have a feeling that you are very young and haven't had the chance to really think through your reactions to what other people are trying to express. We ALL have it hard and we ALL need to remember that!!! If we could just be a little nicer and a little more understanding of each others predicaments, things would be so much calmer. I wish you and everyone the very best. Remember, we are ALL fighting our own private battles! Take it easy people! |
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ALERT!! American Airlines Employees Plan Holiday Sick Out!
Where are you getting mortgage payemnts that cheap? I thought that the minumum mortgate payment on any house in the USA would be at last $1000 per month, or about $12000 a year. "None" wrote in message nk.net... It's all well and good, and as you say, what is happening in your working environment is not something that I am concerned with. What I am concerned with is the fact that your airline has taken just over $8,000.00 from me for 6 round trip tickets for holiday travel, and that there is a distinct possibility that our flights may get cancelled. 8 grand is a lot of money to me, it's nearly a years worth of mortgage payments on my home, and I forked it over to your airline in one shot for a ride. When I call your airline with concerns about news items regarding possible sick outs and cancellations, I was delivered nothing short of snotty, bitch attitude that all but bluntly said, we've got your revenue and we are NOT giving it back for any reason. If your flight gets cancelled, we'll book you on the next available flight, if that one gets cancelled, we'll book you again but there are no refunds, the limit of our liability is to continue to book you on flights until we get you there and back, and whatever hassle you have to go through to make that happen is not something we care about. That isn't a good way to treat customers when your airline faces tough economic times. Believe me, since that phone incident, I've told everyone I know planning travel NOT to use AA. It wasn't because of how a flight attendant treated me, it was because of how the company treated me on the phone. It wasn't that long ago that your company executives were in the news for stashing away millions and millions of dollars while they cried to the government how broke they were, and hid that fact from employees so they could get wage concessions from you. The taxpayers handed the airlines a 15 billion dollar bail out package and american airlines was busy stashing millions away to protect its bigshots in case they decided to bankrupt the airline. I remember this so my 8 grand is a lot more important than you might think. All I can see is a fat cat executive pocketing my 8 grand and telling me that I have to put up with whatever bull**** they dish out to me at the airport in exchange for that. No thank you! Your airline certainly doesn't care about it's customers and, from the basis of your post and the original post here, they also don't care about you as an employee. It sounds as if you are severely over worked, spread entirely too thin, and are having to fight 24/7 just to get paid decently for what you do and your employer doesn't want to pay you for it. When your employer publicly treats you like GARBAGE, just how do you expect the traveling public to treat you as well? When your employer scammed wage cuts out of you while simultaneously stashing millions for themselves, that sent a very clear signal to the public that american airlines employees are available to be treated like sub-human trash. To appease all of you, your CEO went running with all his millions and a new guy stepped in and you all shut up like you had won something. Your problems at work are your own and in this instance, you are the purveyors of your own work environment grief. Atonement begins at home. Your airline would do well to clean up it's public image and treat it's customers with respect. Thats how you turn a profit, and thats how you are able to pay your employees what they are worth. "lonestarstag" wrote in message .. . Hello people, I don't really know exactly where to begin, and I will try to not be long-winded... First off all, let me explain why this flight attendant posted this message. If someone came in and turned your entire "work-world" upside down in the course of 2 or 3 months, and I mean LITERALLY upside-down, you would want to vent and share your experience, too. You would hold a lot of animosity towards your company, and your union (in our case), and you would probably resent having 30 to 40% of your income taken away after you had put so much into your company and your product. Doing it to help keep your company financially afloat, when you don't EXACTLY know for sure how your company stands financially doesn't make it any easier to swallow either. As an American flight attendant, I can understand this person's frustration on something that we seemingly have no control over. Our entire industry is in a state of chaos and only the clear and long-term thinkers will survive. Secondly, let me make this VERY clear, we are NOT planning an "organized" sick-out for the holidays. What is actually going to happen is this. Since we have layed off over 7,000 flight attendants, those of us that are left have moved back DOWN the seniority ladder. We are unionized, so ourentre lives are based on our date-of-hire, just like at so many other companies. Many of us that are used to holding the holidays off (under normal monthly bidding circumstances) will not be able to hold the holidays this year or any year in the forseeable future. These people will be VERY tempted to call in sick for the holidays, and I can understand that, although if I can't hold the holidays off this year, well, so be it, I'll just fly whatever I get. The one thing that most passengers don't understand is that most airlines have a safety net as far as staffing goes. We have a system called "reserve" that keeps several hundred flight attendants on call at any given time to fill in for the ones that call in sick, or misconnect, or fall ill during a trip. This helps to keep everything running more smoothly. During holiday months, bad weather months, etc... they can run short on reserve crewmembers, which means that they start reassigning regular crewmembers that are "in the air" to cover the shorted flights. This means that although you may have a set schedule and not be a "reserve" flight attendant, your trip may actually be extended for 1 or 2 more days, to which you have no choice but do. That makes it very difficult to plan anything at home with your friends or family on the days off that you are SUPPOSED to have. But that's another story... Thirdly, the section that started with "Lemme point out why nobody should give a ****" was interesting and colorful. Personally, I don't think that anyone would give a **** about our problems, except for us, American, and the FAA. To be honest, I hate to say it, but like I said I AM being honest, if you work at Burger King and they make you work a triple shift, well I just don't really care as long as I get my order. That is just the human response. I understand that when you buy a ticket on any airline that you just want to get from point a to point b in one piece and relatively on time, with all of your baggage. I am suprised however that you went to such great lengths to ridicule and condescend to the flight attendant that originally posted his/her message. I, as an educated adult would never walk into my dentist's office and expect to understand what his work schedule and working conditions were. I would never walk into McDonald's and assume that I knew what each one of the employee's work duties entailed or what their work rules were like. Why would you presume to know what a flight attendant's life is like? I will try to cover the points that you made in your response. part 1, #1 Only the MOST senior flight attendants (15-50 years) YES 50 YEARS, would make that amount working 20 hours a week. Remember that we only accrue time in the air so it takes us several days a week to accrue 20 hours. All of the hours that we spend before, in-between, anf after flights accomplishing our duties, doing paperwork, commuting, etc, are all on our own time. For most of us it would take 4 days to accrue 20 hours, so, we are actually at work for 72 to 80 hours to accrue that amount of time. When we are at work, we are not just free to run amuck whereever we happen to be, we are under the constand rules, guidelines, and scrutiny of the comapany. We don't run around and drink and vacation and carouse like the old stereotypes let on. For junior flight attendants, they would have to work AT LEAST 5 to 6 days a week to make $40K. And that means be away from their homes, families, and children to make that much money. Your next question might be "Well, if it sucks that bad, why don't you just quit?" I can answer that by saying that our careers are more of a "lifestyle" than a "job". Although, it has become much more of a job lately... part 1, #2 I think that was answered in the above response. part 1, #3 Yes, the FAA does require a minumum amount of crew rest and you should be very thankful that they do. In most aircraft accidents, it was a series of events that occurred that made it happen. It is very important that the pilots get as much sleep as they need so as to not overlook ONE setting, or mistake ONE reading that can cause the cycle of events to begin. As far as the flight attendants go, the job of serving peanuts and coke are the secondary responsibilites that we accomplish during every flight. We need to be alert as well. Our duties begin way before you show up for your flight and continue way after you have deplaned. Although we seem to be not paying attention to anything in particular, we size every passenger up during boarding, we are aware of every sound and every smell on a particular aircraft, and although you make not think we are paying attention, we are aware of EVERYTHING and are in communication with the pilots during every flight. You might say that nothing ever goes on on any flights you've ever been on, but I assure you that if you knew of all of the mechanical, medical, and security emergencies that occur on a daily basis, you might reconsider flying as your choice of transportation. 99% of everything unusual that goes on during a flight is never communicated with the passengers. As far as the rest time goes, it is 8 hrs "block to block". That means that the 8 hours start when your flight gets to the gate until when you have to be on the plane for the next flight. This does not take into consideration passengers de-planing, cleaning the aircraft, completing post flight paperwork, walking to your hotel shuttle pick-up point, waiting for your hotel van (up to 45 minutes is allowed), travel time to your hotel, checking into your hotel, unpacking, showering, going immediately to sleep, getting up and getting ready, possibly getting something to eat, taking the hotel van back to the airport, going through the security check point, getting to you gate 1 hour before departure time to complete you briefing with the agents, captain, air marshalls, etc, and boarding 30 minutes before departure. That really doesn't leave much time for sleep. You are lucky to get 4 hours, 5 max, of sleep. After being on duty for 14 or 15 hours and having to complete 14 or 15 hours of duty for 2 or 3 days in a row with this amount of sleep IS difficult. part 1, #4 Of course we sit down during flights when we have an opportunity. Why wouldn't we? Should we just pace up and down the aisles non-stop for 2 or 3 hours? What would be the point of that? We are always available should someone need something or should there be a problem. Where would we go to hide out? The vast majority of passengers want to be left alone anyway. I understand that it doesn't look like we are doing much of anything. Why would it look any other way to a passenger? part 2, #1 There are actually very rarely any pretzels left over. If there are any left we usually walk through the cabin and offer the to the passengers who may want another bag. Considering that there is only about 5 pretzels in a bag, most people gladly take a second one. If you have ever seen extra bags of pretzels in our carts or in our galleys it is because they are scheduled for the next flight. We are quite often "double-catered" and we are not allowed, for obvious reasons, to break into the stuff that is scheduled for the next flight. As far as "that enormous bag" goes, it actually holds 50 bags of pretzels. If we have 115 passengers, they usually give us 3 bags. Sometimes they actually give us 2 bags and 15 individual bags of pretzels! part 2, #2 There might be a good 20 minutes in between flights for you as a passenger but there are many times where we have 35 or 40 minutes to connect to our next flight but you are not considering the fact that that includes us cleaning the aircraft from our last flight, gathering OUR belongings, and traipsing through huge terminals to get to our next gate to prepare our new aircraft for boarding. This includes emergency equipment checks, security checks, the briefings, catering checks, etc... We generally board the passengers 30 to 40 minutes before departure. Where is the time to get something to eat, even at McDonalds? By the way, if we putz around, or go get something to eat and we cause boarding to be delayed and our departure to be delayed, we must answer for it with paperwork and supervisor questioning. You might think, well take food with you, or get something to eat in the morning and drag it along. Well, the problem with this is that I'm a grown man (6',1", 185 lbs.). What exactly could I bring that would be non-perishable, that would make a meal for me, that I could drag around, along with my other stuff, for 4 or 5 days? Also, our show times at the airport are VERY early and nothing is open to get something to eat at. So no, we are not "full of ****" as you so colorfully put it. You said in parts of your response that you wouldn't mind fewer flight attendants onboard your flight. I do know that you have never had an in-flight emergency. You said you could seat yourself, that you eat and drink before you get on, which I applaud, and that there's nothing a flight attendant can do during an in-flight medical or security emergency, that would be of any use to anyone. I personally have delivered a baby, had more than one person stop breathing, had a passenger try to get into the cockpit in-flight, had a passenger have a heart attack, have had engine failure, have had a full hydraulic failure (like United's Sioux City crash) and many more countless episodes, and I haven't lost a passenger yet. I assure you that if you ever did have an emergency of any kind on any of your flights (God forbid!) that you would want as many of us on there as possible. I guess what I'm trying to say to you is that you don't need to consider our welfare when you are flying on our airline, or any airline for that matter. That's not your job. It is my job, however, to consider YOUR welfare, at least while you are with me. Personally, your work life is none of my concern. However, that doesn't mean that ANY of us should be mean-spirited or presumptuous towards anyone else. Not everyone is in a position to quit their job when they want to, no matter how much you hate it. I'm sure you know what that is like. We have ALL been in that position. I truly enjoy my career, although I am not happy with the current situation. I will do what I can to change it and if I can't then I will have the grace to leave it when I am able. I realize that everyone working for ANY company in ANY industry is going through changes right now. Our economy is readjusting and so are we. The main thing to remember is that we are ALL in this together. Being presumptuous shows a lack of education and moreso a lack of character. I have a feeling that you are very young and haven't had the chance to really think through your reactions to what other people are trying to express. We ALL have it hard and we ALL need to remember that!!! If we could just be a little nicer and a little more understanding of each others predicaments, things would be so much calmer. I wish you and everyone the very best. Remember, we are ALL fighting our own private battles! Take it easy people! |
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ALERT!! American Airlines Employees Plan Holiday Sick Out!
None muttered....
It's all well and good, and as you say, what is happening in your working environment is not something that I am concerned with. What I am concerned with is the fact that your airline has taken just over $8,000.00 from me for 6 round trip tickets for holiday travel, and (vast snippage) Bleep! Bleep! Bleep!(Sound of cockpit alarm....) Union Troll Alert! TMO |
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ALERT!! American Airlines Employees Plan Holiday Sick Out!
None wrote:
It's all well and good, and as you say, what is happening in your working environment is not something that I am concerned with. What I am concerned with is the fact that your airline has taken just over $8,000.00 from me for 6 round trip tickets for holiday travel, and that there is a distinct possibility that our flights may get cancelled. 8 grand is a lot of money to me, it's nearly a years worth of mortgage payments on my home, and I forked it over to your airline in one shot for a ride. When I call your airline with concerns about news items regarding possible sick outs and cancellations, Sure, that is just what is good for the airline to refund the money of everyone who might be subject to a flight cancellation. When you book a ticket, you agree to certain conditions. I wasn't in on your phone conversation, so I don't know what took place. If the airline makes changes to your reservation that are unacceptable to you, you can get a refund. However, they don't normally give you a refund for something that might happen in the future. If you want this protection, buy a refundable ticket. |
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ALERT!! American Airlines Employees Plan Holiday Sick Out!
Charles Newman e wrote:
Where are you getting mortgage payemnts that cheap? I thought that the minumum mortgate payment on any house in the USA would be at last $1000 per month, or about $12000 a year. He may not have just purchased the house. Imagine a $100,000 house purchased 20 years ago. miguel -- Hit The Road! Photos and tales from around the world: http://travel.u.nu |
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Miguel Cruz wrote:
Charles Newman e wrote: Where are you getting mortgage payemnts that cheap? I thought that the minumum mortgate payment on any house in the USA would be at last $1000 per month, or about $12000 a year. He may not have just purchased the house. Imagine a $100,000 house purchased 20 years ago. Imagine one purchased last year when 5 1/2 percent was possible. A 150,000 loan for a 5.5 percent 30 year mortgage would cost $851.68 per month. There are many places in the US where you can by a home for $150K. Consider 1/4 down and the house price would be 200K. |
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ALERT!! American Airlines Employees Plan Holiday Sick Out!
"mrtravel" wrote in message . com... Miguel Cruz wrote: Charles Newman e wrote: Where are you getting mortgage payemnts that cheap? I thought that the minumum mortgate payment on any house in the USA would be at last $1000 per month, or about $12000 a year. He may not have just purchased the house. Imagine a $100,000 house purchased 20 years ago. Imagine one purchased last year when 5 1/2 percent was possible. A 150,000 loan for a 5.5 percent 30 year mortgage would cost $851.68 per month. There are many places in the US where you can by a home for $150K. Consider 1/4 down and the house price would be 200K. The rates were really crazy this year, if anyone was on their toes, they were able to scoop up some absolutely rediculously low new or refinance rates. Too bad the feds can't go any lower! ;-) |
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