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  #11  
Old February 7th, 2008, 10:22 PM posted to rec.travel.usa-canada
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On Feb 7, 4:14 pm, Dave Smith wrote:

I would agree that Ottawa may be a better choice than Quebec, considering that the
OP wants to go to Toronto and Niagara. Quebec has an interesting old town, but I
would need to be reminded of anything else there worth seeing........


I would have to disagree. This is Quebec's 400 th Anniversary. Just to
walk through the old town, the gates of the fortified city, the narrow
cobblestone streets and to experience the History and Culture.

http://monquebec2008.sympatico.msn.c...08/?lang=en-ca

Ottawa is a beautiful city with canals, government buildings and
excellent museums. But 150 years ago, it was just a rough logging town
on the Ottawa River. Quebec City was already 250 years old.



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Old February 7th, 2008, 10:38 PM posted to rec.travel.usa-canada
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On 6 Feb, 17:50, (Ed Treijs) wrote:
In article ,

max11 wrote:
Hi at all!
I'm planning a travel of 4-5 weeks (from May 4th to June 6th or
13th) . I'll travel alone, stay in hostels and travel by bus or plane.
It's expensive to rent a car because I am laone (eventually I could
join in car with other people.


May is a good month to visit northeastern North America, although it is
possible to get cold weather or snow, especially at the beginning of the
month. (In Ontario, there was quite a bit of snow on Victoria Day a year or
two back, and that's around May 24!)

However, when the weather is nice, it is very pleasant indeed.



Ny (7 days),
Boston (3)
Montreal (3)
Quebec City (2)
Toronto (3)
Niagara (1)
then flight to Chicago (4)
flight to (Philadelphia 2)
Washington (4)


Does the time include travel? Because it will take most of a day to do some
of the legs, such as Quebec City to Toronto. I think that you should
reconsider the number of cities you want to visit, and make sure you have at
least two non-travel days in each.

Quebec City is a good tourist destination, but I'd suggest that it would make
more sense to visit Ottawa instead. Ottawa is between Montreal and Toronto,
so this reduces your travel time and expense (many buses
Montreal-Ottawa-Toronto, and trains too.) Ottawa has a fair amount of
history, and many national museums as well as the historic Parliament
buildings.

There are many bus tours to Niagara, but I'd suggest you rent a car for a day
or two while in Toronto. Niagara is the one leg that's a very easy drive.
It seems that you will be in Toronto/Niagara area around May 20. The Niagara
area has many blooming fruit trees at this time, and it is worth taking a
longer driving tour.

....Ed


I booked the flight to NY and return from Washington.I have 40 days
plus 1 for the departing.



I will not go to NO and maybe I'll skip some cities becasuse it's true
that "less cities less thinghs to think" and I can enjoy more the
trip.
I think you're right, Ottawa is on the way but I read Quebec is much
more better than Ottawa and much more different from both Montreal and
Toronto. Are you agree?

Now, after some days of rest from all this fares!, i 'll begin to find
accommodation and the best way to move.
So you say it's better to go to Niagara from Toronto instead of from
NY.
I noted there are some GREYHOUND PASS (7 DAY $ 283.00 - 15 day $
415.00 - 30DAY 522.00) with which I can go to Canada too. I don't
know if is good or maybe can be cheaper travel with special bus or
train fares, such as ticket with a certain # of advance booking days?
ANyone knows about these?
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Old February 7th, 2008, 10:42 PM posted to rec.travel.usa-canada
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wrote:

On Feb 7, 4:14 pm, Dave Smith wrote:

I would agree that Ottawa may be a better choice than Quebec, considering that the
OP wants to go to Toronto and Niagara. Quebec has an interesting old town, but I
would need to be reminded of anything else there worth seeing........


I would have to disagree. This is Quebec's 400 th Anniversary. Just to
walk through the old town, the gates of the fortified city, the narrow
cobblestone streets and to experience the History and Culture.

http://monquebec2008.sympatico.msn.c...08/?lang=en-ca

Ottawa is a beautiful city with canals, government buildings and
excellent museums. But 150 years ago, it was just a rough logging town
on the Ottawa River. Quebec City was already 250 years old.


I am not sure that someone visiting from Europe is all that impressed by a city that is
250 years old. That is almost a newborn compared to their cities. It may be the only
walled city in Canada, but there are lots of them in Europe, and which are a lot more
intesting. I didn't say that it was not worth seeing, but considering the other
destinations, it is out of the way for the OP. If he is going to Montreal he can spend
some time in old Montreal, another of our old cities turned tourist trap.


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Old February 7th, 2008, 10:49 PM posted to rec.travel.usa-canada
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On 7 Feb, 04:11, Shawn Hirn wrote:
In article
,



max11 wrote:
Hi at all!
I'm planning a travel of 4-5 weeks (from May 4th to June 6th or
13th) . I'll travel alone, stay in hostels and travel by bus or plane.
It's expensive to rent a car because I am laone (eventually I could
join in car with other people.


Ny (7 days),
Boston (3)
Montreal (3)
Quebec City (2)
Toronto (3)
Niagara (1)
then flight to Chicago (4)
flight to (Philadelphia 2)
Washington (4)


After decided other most important things, I could decide to go to New
Orleans (for example CH-NO $94 and NO-WA $96) from Chigago.


Quebec: Is better to go from Montreal and then go to Toronto, or go
directly from Boston?


What do jou thik about?


I would say you are planning a marathon, not a vacation, but that's just
me. I hate rushing around and I much prefer to take time to see
different areas at a leisurely pace.

I suggest you pick four cities to visit, spend five days in each one,
and allocate a full day to travel between them (including getting
to/from wherever you plan to sleep at night) and leave the others for a
different trip.

One thing to keep in mind is that the United States and Canada are large
countries and you appear to be forgetting about travel time between
destinations on your proposed itinerary. For example, you'll spend all
day getting from Boston to Montreal if you go by bus, so add a day right
there.

On a trip like that, I suggest six days in NYC. A half day traveling to
Boston, then four days in Boston, a day traveling by bus to Toronto.
Spend a few days there and two days in Niagara Falls (Canadian side).
Then fly to Chicago and spend four or five days there, then conclude
your trip in EITHER Washington or Philadelphia.

In short, I think you would have a much leisurely trip and see more if
you drop one of the cities from your itinerary, but whatever you do, be
sure to factor in travel time between the destinations you want to visit.


I booked and I have 40 days in all so I think I can go easily to
Montreal and QUebec or Ottawa, isn't it?.
Now the hard is to plan accommodation, flights and movements by bus/
train.
First of all, I'll book accommodation in NY, then a flight from
Toronto or Buffalo to Chicago and from here to Washington.
The problem id to decided the dates because I don't want to be binded
with them. I don't know the best way, maybe is better to consider one
or two days more in Toronto to be sure with flight.
Moreover I like to travel by bus/train during the night so I can save
a day, my question is if I can organize my movements there (i read
about chinese bus line for example) with special bus/train fares, such
as ticket with a certain # of advance booking days, or pass.
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Old February 7th, 2008, 10:50 PM posted to rec.travel.usa-canada
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On 7 Feb, 04:11, Shawn Hirn wrote:
In article
,



max11 wrote:
Hi at all!
I'm planning a travel of 4-5 weeks (from May 4th to June 6th or
13th) . I'll travel alone, stay in hostels and travel by bus or plane.
It's expensive to rent a car because I am laone (eventually I could
join in car with other people.


Ny (7 days),
Boston (3)
Montreal (3)
Quebec City (2)
Toronto (3)
Niagara (1)
then flight to Chicago (4)
flight to (Philadelphia 2)
Washington (4)


After decided other most important things, I could decide to go to New
Orleans (for example CH-NO $94 and NO-WA $96) from Chigago.


Quebec: Is better to go from Montreal and then go to Toronto, or go
directly from Boston?


What do jou thik about?


I would say you are planning a marathon, not a vacation, but that's just
me. I hate rushing around and I much prefer to take time to see
different areas at a leisurely pace.

I suggest you pick four cities to visit, spend five days in each one,
and allocate a full day to travel between them (including getting
to/from wherever you plan to sleep at night) and leave the others for a
different trip.

One thing to keep in mind is that the United States and Canada are large
countries and you appear to be forgetting about travel time between
destinations on your proposed itinerary. For example, you'll spend all
day getting from Boston to Montreal if you go by bus, so add a day right
there.

On a trip like that, I suggest six days in NYC. A half day traveling to
Boston, then four days in Boston, a day traveling by bus to Toronto.
Spend a few days there and two days in Niagara Falls (Canadian side).
Then fly to Chicago and spend four or five days there, then conclude
your trip in EITHER Washington or Philadelphia.

In short, I think you would have a much leisurely trip and see more if
you drop one of the cities from your itinerary, but whatever you do, be
sure to factor in travel time between the destinations you want to visit.


I booked and I have 40 days in all so I think I can go easily to
Montreal and QUebec or Ottawa, isn't it?.
Now the hard is to plan accommodation, flights and movements by bus/
train.
First of all, I'll book accommodation in NY, then a flight from
Toronto or Buffalo to Chicago and from here to Washington.
The problem id to decided the dates because I don't want to be binded
with them. I don't know the best way, maybe is better to consider one
or two days more in Toronto to be sure with flight.
Moreover I like to travel by bus/train during the night so I can save
a day, my question is if I can organize my movements there (i read
about chinese bus line for example) with special bus/train fares, such
as ticket with a certain # of advance booking days, or pass.
  #16  
Old February 8th, 2008, 02:03 AM posted to rec.travel.usa-canada
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On Feb 5, 10:19*am, max11 wrote:
Hi at all!
I'm planning a travel of 4-5 weeks (from May 4th to June 6th or
13th) . I'll travel alone, stay in hostels and travel by bus or plane.
It's expensive to rent a car because I am laone (eventually I could
join in car with other people.

Ny (7 days),
Boston (3)
Montreal (3)
Quebec City (2)
Toronto (3)
Niagara (1)
then flight to Chicago (4)
flight to (Philadelphia 2)
Washington (4)

After decided other most important things, I could decide to go to New
Orleans (for example CH-NO $94 and NO-WA $96) from Chigago.

Quebec: Is better to go from Montreal and then go to Toronto, or go
directly from Boston?

What do jou thik about?


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Old February 8th, 2008, 03:09 AM posted to rec.travel.usa-canada
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You can probably find out about the Chinese bus lines (I know they're NY
to Boston and NY to Philadelphia and Washington D.C.) by googling New
York Chinese Bus

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Old February 8th, 2008, 05:15 PM posted to rec.travel.usa-canada
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In article ,
max11 wrote:
On 6 Feb, 17:50, (Ed Treijs) wrote:


I think you're right, Ottawa is on the way but I read Quebec is much
more better than Ottawa and much more different from both Montreal and
Toronto. Are you agree?


Quebec City is a very old, historic city. I forgot about this year being
400 year celebration. But the celebration is in the news that it is not
getting much interest or excitement. Also, a big attraction of Quebec City
is that it is a very old walled town, which is not usual in North America.
You are coming from Europe, so do you want to visit a place that is noted
for being "old Europe"? When I visit Europe, I am not very interested in
seeing "North American-style" places!

Ottawa has as nice a setting as Quebec, in my opinion. There are many
national museums in Ottawa: National Gallery and Museum of Civilization
(just across the river in Hull) are two major ones that I can think of.
The Tulip Festival will be happening in May:
http://www.tulipfestival.ca/en/index.php

Ottawa is definitely a larger city with more going on than Quebec.

You would have to tell us more of your interests for us to be able to
really say if you should visit Ottawa or Quebec. I can tell you that from
Montreal to Ottawa is about the same time as Montreal to Quebec, but Quebec
to Toronto is much longer than Ottawa to Toronto.


Now, after some days of rest from all this fares!, i 'll begin to find
accommodation and the best way to move.
So you say it's better to go to Niagara from Toronto instead of from
NY.


I do not understand your question here. You wrote originally:
Quebec City (2)
Toronto (3)
Niagara (1)


That shows that you will go to Niagara from Toronto, yes?

My recommendation is that you rent a car instead of taking a bus tour, and
drive. You should be able to find a one or two day rental pretty cheaply
in Toronto. If you can't find one, or you decide that you don't want to
drive, then you can take a bus tour or train to Niagara. This is one part
of your trip that you don't need to plan much in advance. There are many
rental places and many bus tours. The difficult part is to find the
inexpensive rentals. For example, Budget was running a promotion where a
car from Friday morning to Monday morning was under $100, with a few
hundred km free. But you will not find this on their web site! (I am not
sure if the promotion is still on, but it is an example of what you can
find.)

I noted there are some GREYHOUND PASS (7 DAY $ 283.00 - 15 day $
415.00 - 30DAY 522.00) with which I can go to Canada too. I don't
know if is good or maybe can be cheaper travel with special bus or
train fares, such as ticket with a certain # of advance booking days?
ANyone knows about these?


I am not sure a pass will be economical. But it is also hard to say how to
get the best fares. For example, Coach Canada runs buses directly between
Montreal and Toronto. I have seen advertisments about "$1 fares". On
their website coachcanada.com they say "as low as $10". By trying
different days, I do find some $10 one-way fares. That is very
inexpensive! But how would you find out from Europe? It is hard.

Rental companies and bus companies have many bargains. You only find out
about these bargains by seeing an advertisment on the back of a bus, or in
the newspaper. Some bargains are not available on-line, so you have to
telephone or visit their office. Of course, they hope you see their ads,
think of them, but pay their "regular" rates in the end.

.....Ed
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Old February 8th, 2008, 06:34 PM posted to rec.travel.usa-canada
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Ed Treijs wrote:
In article
,
max11 wrote:
On 6 Feb, 17:50, (Ed Treijs) wrote:


I think you're right, Ottawa is on the way but I read Quebec is
much
more better than Ottawa and much more different from both Montreal
and Toronto. Are you agree?


Quebec City is a very old, historic city. I forgot about this year
being 400 year celebration. But the celebration is in the news that
it is not getting much interest or excitement. Also, a big
attraction of Quebec City
is that it is a very old walled town, which is not usual in North
America.
You are coming from Europe, so do you want to visit a place that is
noted
for being "old Europe"? When I visit Europe, I am not very
interested in seeing "North American-style" places!


Quebec is not a "walled town". "Old Quebec", which is a section of
the city, is such a town but it is a small part of the city.

If the festival is not getting much attention that is IMO a good
thing--I made the mistake last year of arriving during the Molson
festival and the place was packed--couldn't even find motorycycle
parking within an easy walk of the Old City.

Ottawa has as nice a setting as Quebec, in my opinion. There are
many
national museums in Ottawa: National Gallery and Museum of
Civilization (just across the river in Hull) are two major ones that
I can think of.
The Tulip Festival will be happening in May:
http://www.tulipfestival.ca/en/index.php


One difference I can see is that there is no "just across the river"
in Quebec--Levis is a different town.

Ottawa is definitely a larger city with more going on than Quebec.

You would have to tell us more of your interests for us to be able
to
really say if you should visit Ottawa or Quebec. I can tell you
that
from Montreal to Ottawa is about the same time as Montreal to
Quebec,
but Quebec
to Toronto is much longer than Ottawa to Toronto.


Now, after some days of rest from all this fares!, i 'll begin to
find accommodation and the best way to move.
So you say it's better to go to Niagara from Toronto instead of
from
NY.


I do not understand your question here. You wrote originally:
Quebec City (2)
Toronto (3)
Niagara (1)


That shows that you will go to Niagara from Toronto, yes?

My recommendation is that you rent a car instead of taking a bus
tour, and drive. You should be able to find a one or two day rental
pretty cheaply
in Toronto. If you can't find one, or you decide that you don't
want
to drive, then you can take a bus tour or train to Niagara. This is
one part
of your trip that you don't need to plan much in advance. There are
many rental places and many bus tours. The difficult part is to
find
the inexpensive rentals. For example, Budget was running a
promotion
where a
car from Friday morning to Monday morning was under $100, with a few
hundred km free. But you will not find this on their web site! (I
am not sure if the promotion is still on, but it is an example of
what you can
find.)

I noted there are some GREYHOUND PASS (7 DAY $ 283.00 - 15 day $
415.00 - 30DAY 522.00) with which I can go to Canada too. I don't
know if is good or maybe can be cheaper travel with special bus or
train fares, such as ticket with a certain # of advance booking
days?
ANyone knows about these?


I am not sure a pass will be economical. But it is also hard to say
how to get the best fares. For example, Coach Canada runs buses
directly between Montreal and Toronto. I have seen advertisments
about "$1 fares". On
their website coachcanada.com they say "as low as $10". By trying
different days, I do find some $10 one-way fares. That is very
inexpensive! But how would you find out from Europe? It is hard.

Rental companies and bus companies have many bargains. You only
find
out about these bargains by seeing an advertisment on the back of a
bus, or in
the newspaper. Some bargains are not available on-line, so you have
to telephone or visit their office. Of course, they hope you see
their ads, think of them, but pay their "regular" rates in the end.

....Ed


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Old February 9th, 2008, 02:28 AM posted to rec.travel.usa-canada
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J. Clarke:
To be perfectly honest, this is one time when it seems to me to make
sense to just rent a car in Boston and drive to Quebec. The travel
time's about the same as flying and the cost including gas for a one
way rental is about the same as the air fare and there's some
"picturesque" country in between.


I haven't tried it, but it might not be possible to rent one-way from
the US to Canada these days.
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