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Substandard Italian workmanship renders first 787s unsafe
Bob Myers writes:
And is your experience with supplier selection and qualification as extensive as, say, your experience in piloting? I was not responsible for selection and qualification, but I had to deal with the results thereof for years. |
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Substandard Italian workmanship renders first 787s unsafe
"Mxsmanic" wrote in message ... Bob Myers writes: And is your experience with supplier selection and qualification as extensive as, say, your experience in piloting? I was not responsible for selection and qualification, but I had to deal with the results thereof for years. Woosh. -- JohnT |
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Substandard Italian workmanship renders first 787s unsafe
In rec.aviation.piloting Mxsmanic wrote:
JohnT writes: Lots of people would consider that Italian technology is at least as good as anything emanating from Chicago. Then Boeing must have picked the wrong Italian partner. And this appears to be an issue with workmanship, not technology or design. The tails were simply not put together correctly, implying unqualified, careless, or lazy workers. And just how many manufacturing programs have you been involved with that you are able to make such a determination? Let me guess, you play Microsoft Manufacturing Simulator. In my experience with real world production, if some of the subassemblies are "wrong" it is usually a QA and inspection problem with the builder and if they are almost or all "wrong" it is usually a problem with the documentation package sent to the builder. You can't say what the defect percentage is nor do you have any insight what so ever in the manufacturing process. Based on a total lack of information, your conclusion is Italian workers are unqualified, careless, or lazy. Yeah, right. -- Jim Pennino Remove .spam.sux to reply. |
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Substandard Italian workmanship renders first 787s unsafe
In rec.aviation.piloting Mxsmanic wrote:
Tom P writes: Factory workers make mistakes all the time. It's normal. The number and magnitude of mistakes they make depend a great deal on corporate and social culture. I recall Akio Morita describing such a problem. Sony was building Trinitrons in both Japan and the USA. In both countries, the tubes had to meet the same tolerances. Nevertheless, the company found that the Japanese tubes were always far closer to perfection than the USA tubes. Finally, management figure it out. The Japanese always tried to get things perfect, no matter what the accepted tolerances were, whereas the Americans didn't care whether it was perfect or not, as long as it fell within the tolerances. To fix this, Sony made the tolerances far tighter for the USA tubes. Their quality then improved significantly. All of which was stupidity on Sony's part. All things have a tolerance and tighter tolerances increase costs. If Sony needed tighter tolerance they should have originally specified tighter tolerances instead of ****ing and moaning that stuff made to their specified tolerance wasn't "good enough". It was all about culture. Wrong, it is all about getting the specifications to be what is really needed in the first place. That is basic engineering. -- Jim Pennino Remove .spam.sux to reply. |
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Substandard Italian workmanship renders first 787s unsafe
VOR-DME wrote:
\ I certainly hope this laziness does not extend to his piloting activities, otherwise _bad things_ could happen! No, nothing bad is ever going to happen there, simply because he has no actual "piloting activities." Whenever he speaks of "piloting," he's actually talking about "flying" Microsoft Flight Simulator. So nothing remotely like a real aircraft or passengers will ever be in any danger. Bob M. |
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Substandard Italian workmanship renders first 787s unsafe
Mxsmanic wrote:
My experience and training have shown significant cultural differences that cannot be ignored. And again - that "experience and training," relevant to this topic, would be - what, exactly? And is it as extensive as your experience and training in piloting? Bob M. |
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Substandard Italian workmanship renders first 787s unsafe
"Mxsmanic" wrote in message ... With what have Italian Companies supplied you over the past few years? In what way were they defective? I recall a pair of Gucci shoes that fell apart about a month after I bought them, and a wallet from the same company that had a similar lifespan. Oh, those "best deal" Gucci shoes you bought over the internet? Don't think they ever saw Itlay. Probably from Vietnam or Cambodia. |
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Substandard Italian workmanship renders first 787s unsafe
gernot almen writes:
Oh, those "best deal" Gucci shoes you bought over the internet? No, they were bought in person at a Gucci store. Don't think they ever saw Itlay. Probably from Vietnam or Cambodia. I don't know. They carried the Gucci name, therefore Gucci was responsible for them. I seem to recall that they were actually labeled as made in Italy (particularly the wallet) but it was long ago, and far away. |
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Substandard Italian workmanship renders first 787s unsafe
On Jun 25, 2:10 pm, Mxsmanic wrote:
Boeing has discovered that the Italian firm to which it subcontracted construction of tail assemblies isn't doing the work correctly, putting the 23 aircraft it has already built at risk: http://travel.usatoday.com/flights/p...halts-787-test... No surprise here. When you allow Third World companies to built vital parts to your airplane, you should take for granted that there will be potentially dangerous defects. That's the consequence of trying to be politically correct. Wops tell me, "never trust a wop", it's good advice, but can it be trusted? Ken |
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