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Air travel - carrying excess of $10k or equivalent (was:CyberFlying???)
Robert Neville wrote:
But in reading those stories, it's clear that the US gov't is pulling out all the stops to rob both citizens and foreigners alike when they return to the US with large amounts of legal money. People seem to be lumping separate money related issues into the same bucket. What makes air travel entering or leaving the US any different than car travel between states? Why does the US federal gov't have an interest in whether or not you are bringing or leaving the country with more than $10k any more than a state gov't would want to know the same thing? There are already reporting rules on the bank pertaining to depositing large sums (coincidentally $10k) into any US bank. If possession of cash or cash equivalent is legal (and the last time I checked - it was) then how can you justify a rule requiring you to tell the gov't how much you have on your person IN ANY SITUATION WHERE YOU ARE FORCED TO INTERACT WITH THE GOV'T ? If the gov't believes that you are in possession of the proceeds of crime, then the onus is on them to investigate, arrest and charge you - AND YOU HAVE THE RIGHT TO REMAIN SILENT. Why is that right somehow magically erased at the airport? If you lie about bringing into the country controlled substances, parts of endangered animals, or you exceed your personal duty-free limit, then they can go crazy-nuts on you all they want. But I don't see what constitutional leg they have to stand on by forcing you to admit, upon penalty of complete forfeiture, how much cash or cash-equivalent you are bringing into or out of the country. Clearly they are catching innocent people that want to insure their financial well-being while temporarily in the US, and not people couriering or laundering drug money. $10k isin't a lot of money these days. |
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CyberFlying???
Wolfgang Schwanke writes:
No they're not. Yes, they are. Read the regulation. The only exceptions made by the regulation are hearing aids, portable voice recorders, heart pacemakers, and electric shavers. I've already provided the references to the regulations in question. Look them up. AFAICT airlines prohibit electronic devices during takeoff and landing, but during cruise you may use them. I've already explained why this happens--it is largely due to an Advisory Circular issued by the FAA. I gave the reference. Look it up. Mobile phones can be used in flight mode, which translates to all transmitting functions (typically GSM, bluetooth, WLAN) off. Yes, but a phone in that mode is not a cell phone in the context of the FCC regulation, so it is permitted. American regulations are immaterial for most of the world. Then why are you arguing about them? |
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CyberFlying???
tim.... writes:
Obvioulsy, but why is that regulation there. I've explained why. At one time there was a concern that gadgets could interfere with avionics. That is not a problem today, and perhaps never was outside of some very unusual circumstances, but the regulation remains. |
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Using electronic devices during take-off and landing (was: CyberFlying???)
Fly Guy writes:
Does anyone ever post such chatter - along with their "cyberflying" videos? Sometimes, on airlines that provide ATC communication on one of the IFE audio channels. I believe United does or has done this. It makes the video much more interesting. |
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CyberFlying???
In message someone claiming to be Wolfgang
Schwanke typed: Mxsmanic wrote in : DevilsPGD writes: Then why are you allowed to use many electronic devices during the flight, including those that transmit and receive (on some flights)? Do all onboard electronics suddenly become certified? Technically, all portable devices are prohibited for the entire flight. No they're not. AFAICT airlines prohibit electronic devices during takeoff and landing, but during cruise you may use them. Mobile phones can be used in flight mode, which translates to all transmitting functions (typically GSM, bluetooth, WLAN) off. This doesn't apply either on a number of flights (think in-flight wifi, which by definition requires wireless transmission and reception) -- It's always darkest before dawn. So if you're going to steal your neighbor's newspaper, that's the time to do it. |
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Cyberflying???
On Mon, 24 Oct 2011 06:28:33 +0200, Mxsmanic wrote:
Sometimes, on airlines that provide ATC communication on one of the IFE audio channels. I believe United does or has done this. It makes the video much more interesting. For a time, when I was flying, both United and American offered ATC. For United, it was always "Captain's discretion." American (at the time) not only offered ATC but also the "cockpit cam" where you could watch the flight crew at work taking off or landing. American stopped this somewhere in the 1990's, IIRC. United might still be allowing "Captain's discretion" today, but now with the CO merger (CO never offered it) I'm not sure if they do anymore. The primary concern being the airline's liability risk if the flight crew "screws up" on the radio. There would be 100+ witnesses to the faux pas. I recall once on UA when the captain literally "go lost" and had to ask directions of the controller. The crap he took from the pax. upon deplaning... ____________________________________________ Regards, Arnold |
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CyberFlying???
Wolfgang Schwanke writes:
In all flights I've been on, use of electronic devices during cruise has been allowed. Flight mode on mobile phones was especially mentioned by the FA. Read the regulations and the Advisory Circular. You mentioned domestic US regulations which are irrelevant to most of us. And yet you are discussing them. That is a domestic US authority whose jurisdiction ends outside the airspace of the United States, or roughly 97% of earth's total airspace. See above. So quoting it as reference for a general statement about commercial aviation is pointless. So is discussing it if you are just going to call it inapplicable once you are informed about it. I'm not, I never mentioned them. You've mentioned them several times above. You're wasting my time and yours. |
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CyberFlying???
DevilsPGD writes:
This doesn't apply either on a number of flights (think in-flight wifi, which by definition requires wireless transmission and reception) This is permitted because the aircraft operator (airline) has verified that the wi-fi equipment does not interfere with aircraft systems. When the operator does this, the electronic equipment is allowed by the regulations. |
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Cyberflying???
mag3 writes:
The primary concern being the airline's liability risk if the flight crew "screws up" on the radio. There would be 100+ witnesses to the faux pas. The liability is the same even without passengers listening in, since there is a cockpit voice recorder. I recall once on UA when the captain literally "go lost" and had to ask directions of the controller. The crap he took from the pax. upon deplaning... Pax who had never flown an aircraft, I presume. |
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Cyberflying???
On Tue, 25 Oct 2011 04:15:47 +0200, Mxsmanic wrote:
mag3 writes: The primary concern being the airline's liability risk if the flight crew "screws up" on the radio. There would be 100+ witnesses to the faux pas. The liability is the same even without passengers listening in, since there is a cockpit voice recorder. True, but at least it won't result in any pax. freakin' out in flight. It only takes one panicy passenger to start a frenzy. Besides, isn't that only a 30 min. loop? I recall once on UA when the captain literally "got lost" and had to ask directions of the controller. The crap he took from the pax. upon deplaning... Pax who had never flown an aircraft, I presume. I think pax. who simply wanted to be "alpha-hotels" ;-) ____________________________________________ Regards, Arnold |
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