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On Fri, 28 Jul 2006 07:06:08 +0200, Mxsmanic
wrote:

Dave Frightens Me writes:

That is a very unscientific view.

You don't need to be a scientist to count the dead.

Or to form an anecdotal view.
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"Tchiowa" wrote:
If you look at the poorer sections of Bangkok as you drive through
you'll see A/C units mounted on a substantial portion of them. Wooden
houses that don't seem (and probably aren't) sealed well enough to
fully take advantage of A/C still have them.

You can't easily drive through the really poor sections of Bangkok.

I'll take you on a tour sometime when I'm up there.

And remember that Bangkok is largely middle class (the poor are a small
and shrinking minority in Bangkok). So the poor are not representative
of Bangkok.

I agree that their numbers seem to be shrinking over the years, but
there are still an awful lot of them. I just googled around the stats
but couldn't find anything that looked particularly reliable,
unfortunately.

miguel
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On 27 Jul 2006 17:19:02 -0700, "Tchiowa" wrote:


The Reid wrote:

Obstinate denial that you mis-spoke despite undeniable proof snipped,
not worth the effort to repeat the proof

"Yesterday's battles"??? There was a discussion about medical care
*TODAY*, economic policy *TODAY*, etc. Those are today's discussions.
People like you are still trying to cling to an economic philosophy
that failed.

Nonsence, I live and work in a free market capitalist system that
chooses to fund medical care from taxes, that isnt a failed
communist state. you dont seem to be able to differentiate the
two.

You don't seem to understand that what you just described is called
"Socialism".

I'm looking at economic mechanisms that will be needed in the
*future*, you are looking at the past, seeing capitalism beat
communism and basing all your thinking around that one point..

Again you demonstrate a basic lack of understanding. Capitalism didn't
"beat" Communism. Communism/Socialism failed all by itself. Socialism
is a fatally flawed theory and any attempt to implement it will always
fail over time. That has been proven over and over again.

The opposite is currently being demonstrated in the PRC.
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Following up to Miguel Cruz

People in cold climates complain about the cold, people in wet climates
complain about the rain

I'm in a wet, cool, climate complaining about the heat :-)
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"mrtravel" wrote ...
Mxsmanic wrote:

Dave Frightens Me writes:


No it is not. Hypothermia is a much greater risk that hyperthermia.


Right now officials in California are complaining that they don't have
enough space to contain all the dead bodies from the heat wave. You
don't often hear that in winter, even when the cold is very extreme.


Can you cite this?
I am in California, and I seemed to have missed this on the local news.

My morning paper under an AP tag promised two to the gurney in Fresno County
where 20 have pooped out, with 81 deaths statewide attributable to the heat.

Quaintly, and any time Mixomaniacal could be right would be quaint, the
numbers from the last Paris "Heat Wave" do suggest that in some places
"heat" may actually outweigh "cold" as the cause of death among elderly
populations. Certainly, in the US, among small children and infants, the
media are full every Summer of puir bambini left in vehicles by their
mothers, nursery school drivers, etc.. The total number of deaths is
shocking, but then that sort of neglect always shocks.

Although obviously untrue in large belts of the globe, in the Latitude of
the "Lower 30s", it's often far easier to find a place that's warm than one
which is cool. Of course, here, one of those stats governments use,
"Heating Days" (days in which homes and business are likely to operate
heating equipment) are far outnumbered by "Cooling Days" (days when the AC
is needed for comfort).

Individual reactions to temperature vary widely (and seem likely much
connected with "pre-conditioning"). Most USAians would find Mixie's 31C/30%
Humidity mildly uncomfortable yet hardly limiting function. Move the
humidity up above 50%, and the same 31C/88F becomes almost unbearble for
heavy outdoor work.

TMO

"Mxsmanic" wrote in message
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Sarah Banick writes:

Seems to me that she was only person properly dressed for steamy July
day.

A lot of people aren't allowed to dress in tube tops.

When I worked in downtown Atlanta, we loved to see all the lawyers etc.
go
out to lunch with their suit jackets and long sleeved shirts when it was
95
degrees (in case they ran into another lawyer, they have to look right)

Perhaps they love to set the thermostats to 60° when you're in a tube
top, if they are as unheedful of the Golden Rule as you appear to be.

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"Mxsmanic" wrote in message
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JohnT writes:

What extreme cold is there in Southern California? it did snow once in
San
Diego, briefly, but that was in 1912.

What extreme cold anywhere in the U.S. has caused thousands or even
hundreds of deaths?


The Merck Manual of Geriatrics reports that "in the USA, about 75,000
'excess winter deaths' occur among the elderly, including deaths from
hypothermia and deaths associated with many other winter risks, such as
influenza and pneumonia. Among identified cases of hypothermia, the
mortality rate is 50%. Of persons with hypothermia, those over 75 years are
five times more likely to die than those under 75 years."

This is not just an American phenomena

In the winter of 2004/05 (December to March) there were an estimated 31,600
more deaths in England and Wales compared to levels in the non-winter period
This was an increase on the low numbers seen in the previous four years but
was still less than was seen during the winter of 1999/2000, when there were
48,440 more deaths compared to levels in the non-winter period

The number of additional deaths occurring in winter varies depending on
temperature and the level of disease in the population, as well as other
factors.

Examine the graph at the URL below and you'll see mortaily rates peak
in winter and are at their lowest in summer.

http://www.statistics.gov.uk/cci/nugget.asp?id=574

Keith

Mxsmanic wrote:
mrtravel writes:


Does it differ in the southern part of the planet?


Yes, since the seasons are reversed.


But they still have seasons, despite the water going down the drain with
the spin in the opposite direction.
So, if you think that deaths due to weather happen more due to weather
in the summer. Does it matter if the location is in the northern or
southern hemisphere?

Mxsmanic wrote:
mrtravel writes:


Does it differ in the southern part of the planet?


Yes, since the seasons are reversed.


But they still have seasons, despite the water going down the drain with
the spin in the opposite direction.
So, if you think that deaths due to weather happen more due to weather
in the summer. Does it matter if the location is in the northern or
southern hemisphere?

Mxsmanic wrote:

mrtravel writes:


Can you cite this?
I am in California, and I seemed to have missed this on the local news.


Read the Associated Press:

http://us.cnn.com/2006/US/07/27/heat....ap/index.html


The report is from San Francisco and mentions a problem in Fresno
county. This really doesn't indicate a widespread problem of find places
for the dead. Fresno County is noted for having a shortage of funding
for govenment.

From the same article.

"California coroner's offices said the number of deaths possibly
connected to the heat wave climbed to 98."

Note, it says "possibly". Do you happen to know the population of
California? Area? It is a very populated and large state. The number of
deaths "possibly" attributable to the weather is minor, and the odds
are that most of them would have died without the heat. Did you research
the actual causes? I am reminded of cold weather death reports that
attribute death by heart attack caused by shoveling know is classified
as "weather related". I wouldn't be surprised to know that drowning
deaths during a heat wave are also "weather related" because the person
wouldn't have been in the water otherwise.