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  #441  
Old July 29th, 2006, 05:23 PM posted to rec.travel.air,rec.travel.europe,soc.culture.british,soc.culture.usa,alt.politics.bush
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TOliver writes:

More nonsensical blather. The consumption of water for household (inc. lawn
and vegetation), commercial, municipal (parks and city services) and
industrial purposes in commercial areas far outweighs the amounts necessary
for agriculture in all but a few highly specialized crops.


Not true. I've already explained that areas that urbanize and convert
from farmland actually diminish water demand rather than raise it.
There's plenty of proof in Phoenix.

Agricultural water usage (in the US, at least) is measured in acre feet, an
inch of water in the surface area of an acre, (easily "measured" from
rainfall.


Uh, no. An acre-foot is a _foot_ of water on one acre (whence the
eerily appropriate name, acre-FOOT).

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Old July 29th, 2006, 05:26 PM posted to rec.travel.air,rec.travel.europe,soc.culture.british,soc.culture.usa,alt.politics.bush
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On Sat, 29 Jul 2006 14:48:40 GMT, mrtravel
wrote:

Mxsmanic wrote:

Keith W writes:


As do the golf courses that Phoenix residents love so much



Golf courses occupy only a minority of the surface area of the city,
however. And I'm not sure that they need as much water as farmland,
since the growth of grass is limited compared to that of, say, corn.


Isn't it usually limited due to cutting? Many farm crops need a lot less
water than what people put on their lawn. Additionally, the city
attracts people more likely to play golf.


When irrigation water is cheap farmers grow waer intensive crops,
e.g., cotton. But in general water is not cheap for residents,
who don't get to pay the hugely subsidized prices for water paid
by farmers, so they don't use as much water. I really doubt that
a resident will use four feet of water per year here in the
desert bout typical rainfall in, say, Ohio.

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  #443  
Old July 29th, 2006, 05:33 PM posted to rec.travel.air,rec.travel.europe,soc.culture.british,soc.culture.usa,alt.politics.bush
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Mxsmanic wrote:
Dave Frightens Me writes:
I suspect a flu or pneumonia would increase the chances of death,
don't you?


Yes, but this is independent of temperature.


Poor physical fitness increases the chance of death due to hypothermia;
does that mean you will now write off those deaths as a consequence of
physical condition and leave the heat alone?

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Old July 29th, 2006, 05:38 PM posted to rec.travel.air,rec.travel.europe,soc.culture.british,soc.culture.usa,alt.politics.bush
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Mxsmanic wrote:
Dave Frightens Me writes:
I suspect a flu or pneumonia would increase the chances of death,
don't you?


Yes, but this is independent of temperature.


Poor physical fitness increases the chance of death due to
hyperthermia*; does that mean you will now write off those deaths as a
consequence of physical condition and leave the heat alone?

(*) I erroneously wrote this as hypothermia in another copy of this
message which I tried to cancel.

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  #445  
Old July 29th, 2006, 06:19 PM posted to rec.travel.air,rec.travel.europe,soc.culture.british,soc.culture.usa,alt.politics.bush
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Tchiowa wrote:
start. Let's just simplify: There is a general consensus among
scientists that there is a "man made" *COMPONENT* to the existing
natural phenomenon of global warming. There is of course no consensus
as to whether it is a major or minor component or just what the effect
is.


Wrong. There is consensus that the man made component is VERY SERIOUS,
even from USA scientists from NASA and NOAA. However, those reports
showing conclusive evidence that it is a VERY SERIOUS PROBLEM have been
edited by the white house to allow the white house to claim there is no
consensus and no clear cut evidence. The writers of all those reports
providing evidence have been told to not make any interviews with the media.

Consider this: a large percentage of the staff hired when the current
regime took office in 2001 came from the olil industry in Texas. And a
large percentage of the funding to get Cheney/Rumsfeld/Wolfwwitz into
office came from the oil industry.

Taking action to curb global warming is a double whammy on the oil
industry: As individuals and industries become more energy efficient,
the oil industry see less growth because people will require less fuel.
And because the oil industry itself is a very large polluter (its oil
refineries pollute plenty), they would also need to spend lots of money
to upgrade their plants.

For industry in general, taking steps to reduce oil consuption is a
positive economic impact on them, especially at current oil price. By
editing the hard scientific evidence , the white house essentyially
catered to the oil industry's desired to make even more money.

And if you don't believe that the white house purposefully edited those
documents, then you need to ask your media to do their job. If BBC can
provide the proof that this was done, thens surely your US media could
too. They obtained the original copies of the reports and compared with
those released by the white house. And they interviews a former white
house worker whose job it was to design the strategy to give the white
house an "out" on Kyoto.

Of course, once every strom starts to flood sections of New York, the
USA will panic and demand the rest of the world cease to use oil. But by
then, it will be too late. And curently, while there is debate on the
actual rate of melting of ice, there is agreement that within 100 years,
flooding of manor coastal cities will be MAJOR.
  #446  
Old July 29th, 2006, 06:26 PM posted to rec.travel.air,rec.travel.europe
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Mxsmanic wrote:
A lot of people aren't allowed to dress in tube tops.


If your employer forces you to wear full suits all day long, then the
second you step out of the office, you dress in normal clothes that are
suited for the current outside weather.

Many people put on running shoes when they leave the office. And in
winter, many people put on warm coast, hats, gloves etc before stepping
outside. What is wrong with changing clothes and putting on shorts and
light shirt to step outside in the warm sun ?
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Old July 29th, 2006, 06:27 PM posted to rec.travel.air,rec.travel.europe,soc.culture.british,soc.culture.usa,alt.politics.bush
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Miguel Cruz writes:

Poor physical fitness increases the chance of death due to hypothermia ...


Why?

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Old July 29th, 2006, 06:28 PM posted to rec.travel.air,rec.travel.europe,soc.culture.british,soc.culture.usa,alt.politics.bush
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Miguel Cruz writes:

Poor physical fitness increases the chance of death due to
hyperthermia ...


Why?

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Old July 29th, 2006, 06:29 PM posted to rec.travel.air,rec.travel.europe,soc.culture.british,soc.culture.usa,alt.politics.bush
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nobody writes:

Wrong. There is consensus that the man made component is VERY SERIOUS,
even from USA scientists from NASA and NOAA.


Scientists don't really know for sure.

Of course, once every strom starts to flood sections of New York, the
USA will panic and demand the rest of the world cease to use oil.


That may be a long wait.

But by
then, it will be too late. And curently, while there is debate on the
actual rate of melting of ice, there is agreement that within 100 years,
flooding of manor coastal cities will be MAJOR.


Nobody knows what the world will be like in 100 years.

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Old July 29th, 2006, 06:31 PM posted to rec.travel.air,rec.travel.europe
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nobody writes:

If your employer forces you to wear full suits all day long, then the
second you step out of the office, you dress in normal clothes that are
suited for the current outside weather.


By snapping my fingers?

And the weather is worse inside the office than outside. What do I do
then?

What is wrong with changing clothes and putting on shorts and
light shirt to step outside in the warm sun ?


The fact that it is even hotter inside. And what is wrong with
wearing shorts and a light shirt inside the office?

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