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LA Times: U.S. Love Affair With The Car Ending
Scott en Aztlán wrote:
SMS said in misc.transport.urban-transit: Actually what needs to be done is to find ways to encourage people to leave the SUV or mini-van at home, and use a smaller vehicle for commuting, and use the larger vehicle only when necessary. Or, better still, use public transit for commuting, and *rent* the SUV when you actually need one. That doesn't really work. Families often need the larger vehicle every weekend, and several times during the week. Where they don't need it, is in everyday commuting. The SUV or minivan has become the defacto replacement for the large station wagons of the past. At least they get better mileage. |
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LA Times: U.S. Love Affair With The Car Ending
"SMS" wrote in message ... Scott en Aztlán wrote: SMS said in misc.transport.urban-transit: Actually what needs to be done is to find ways to encourage people to leave the SUV or mini-van at home, and use a smaller vehicle for commuting, and use the larger vehicle only when necessary. Or, better still, use public transit for commuting, and *rent* the SUV when you actually need one. That doesn't really work. Families often need the larger vehicle every weekend, and several times during the week. Where they don't need it, is in everyday commuting. The SUV or minivan has become the defacto replacement for the large station wagons of the past. At least they get better mileage. So, who put a gun to their heads and forced them to have that many children that they NEED a SUV? 2 or 3 children can EASILY be transported in the back seat of even a medium-sized car. |
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LA Times: U.S. Love Affair With The Car Ending
sharx35 wrote:
"SMS" wrote in message ... Scott en Aztlán wrote: SMS said in misc.transport.urban-transit: Actually what needs to be done is to find ways to encourage people to leave the SUV or mini-van at home, and use a smaller vehicle for commuting, and use the larger vehicle only when necessary. Or, better still, use public transit for commuting, and *rent* the SUV when you actually need one. That doesn't really work. Families often need the larger vehicle every weekend, and several times during the week. Where they don't need it, is in everyday commuting. The SUV or minivan has become the defacto replacement for the large station wagons of the past. At least they get better mileage. So, who put a gun to their heads and forced them to have that many children that they NEED a SUV? 2 or 3 children can EASILY be transported in the back seat of even a medium-sized car. Hell, I've transported three in a Subaru Outback Sport before with relative ease. We also had an adult squeezed into the trunk. (Okay, it may not be pleasant if you're driving 400 miles.) The ironic thing is that sometimes SUVs really don't provide that much in the way of additional passenger space anyway. |
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LA Times: U.S. Love Affair With The Car Ending
"Bolwerk" wrote in message ... Jack May wrote: "SMS" wrote in message ... Calif Bill wrote: They already did that. That's how we ended up with so many highways in the first place. The highways are an inherent result of technology evolution, society needs, and normal progress. Trying to hold on to past with obsolete technology always fails in a free society. People that do not want to use the most effective technology are called laggards and are the bottom 16% of society in measures such as income, mental ability, connectivity to others, and effectiveness in society in general. Society in general is not run by the least effective people in the lowest levels of society. |
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LA Times: U.S. Love Affair With The Car Ending
"Scott en Aztlán" wrote in message ... SMS said in misc.transport.urban-transit: Actually what needs to be done is to find ways to encourage people to leave the SUV or mini-van at home, and use a smaller vehicle for commuting, and use the larger vehicle only when necessary. Or, better still, use public transit for commuting, and *rent* the SUV when you actually need one. There is no advantage to society in using transit and major negative factors in using transit. Scott, please remember that there is no future in the 19th Century. Your view that transportation technology reached its peak in the 19th Century and solves the transportation problems of the 21st Century is worthless and shows no understanding of the society you live in. |
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LA Times: U.S. Love Affair With The Car Ending
Jack May spake thus:
"Bolwerk" wrote in message ... Jack May wrote: "SMS" wrote in message .. . Calif Bill wrote: They already did that. That's how we ended up with so many highways in the first place. The highways are an inherent result of technology evolution, society needs, and normal progress. Trying to hold on to past with obsolete technology always fails in a free society. So, Jack, you're saying that our highway system just sort of, naturally, evolved? Is that right? And here I always thought it (specifically, the interstate highway system) came about because *people planned it*. And not just people, but big, powerful, famous, influential people, like Dwight D. Eisenhower. Silly me! They're just an "inherent result" of evolution. Technology evolved, and then one day, *Poof!* there were highways. So was it some sort of intelligent design that evolved the highway system? -- Don't talk to me, those of you who must need to be slammed in the forehead with a maul before you'll GET IT that Wikipedia is a time-wasting, totality of CRAP...don't talk to me, don't keep bleating like naifs, that we should somehow waste MORE of our lives writing a variorum text that would be put up on that site. It is a WASTE OF TIME. - Harlan Ellison, writing on the "talk page" of his Wikipedia article (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Harlan_Ellison) |
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LA Times: U.S. Love Affair With The Car Ending
Bolwerk wrote:
The ironic thing is that sometimes SUVs really don't provide that much in the way of additional passenger space anyway. Depends. The Honda Pilot seats eight, and most minivans seat eight. It's not just for transporting your own kids, it's the softball team, soccer team, etc. It's probably better to have three minivans or SUVs than seven or eight compact cars. It's also about transporting other family members, i.e. grandparents. That's why it would be most fuel-efficient to be able to have a small car for commuting, and keep the larger vehicle for use only when necessary. I do that by bicycling to work when possible, but sometimes I need a vehicle during the day. |
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I'm going to snip all of the loaded and elitist statements and respond
only to the the substantive parts of your post. Jack May wrote: Oops, I'm left with nothing to say, |
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David Nebenzahl wrote:
Jack May spake thus: "Bolwerk" wrote in message ... Jack May wrote: "SMS" wrote in message ... Calif Bill wrote: They already did that. That's how we ended up with so many highways in the first place. The highways are an inherent result of technology evolution, society needs, and normal progress. Trying to hold on to past with obsolete technology always fails in a free society. So, Jack, you're saying that our highway system just sort of, naturally, evolved? Is that right? And here I always thought it (specifically, the interstate highway system) came about because *people planned it*. And not just people, but big, powerful, famous, influential people, like Dwight D. Eisenhower. Silly me! They're just an "inherent result" of evolution. Technology evolved, and then one day, *Poof!* there were highways. So was it some sort of intelligent design that evolved the highway system? You forgot to mention that everyone who takes a train is a pea-brained laggard with a welfare check. Upstanding white folk such as yourself should never stoop to such lows! |
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LA Times: U.S. Love Affair With The Car Ending
David Nebenzahl wrote:
Got a cite for that? Not disputing you, just intrigued (and too lazy to look for myself). Just a bunch of blogs. Actual Prius and Civic Hybrid mileage is more in the low 30's for city, and high 30's or low 40's for highway. You can get higher, if you drive slower on the highway, i.e. 55 mph, versus 65 mph. It shouldn't be surprising, as on the highway you have the extra inefficiency of the extra conversion, mechanical to electrical back to mechanical, without any benefit from running on batteries. Actually in 2008, we'll see the new EPA standards for mpg, and hybrids will take the biggest hit, about 30%. The non-hybrid mpg ratings are going to be hit as well, but only by 5-10%. |
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