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Singapore - 6 hrs to kill in airport- any bus trips?
Tchiowa kirjoitti:
Markku Grönroos wrote in message ... Tchiowa kirjoitti: Markku Grönroos wrote in message ... Mark Pannell kirjoitti: doesnt matter where the boarding pass is issued. Did it last month. You just go through immigration and security as normal except you dont have to check in. Easy to believe. How do you "double check". Your file already resides in the database. Changes to it are hardly generated at any airport just because you have been outside the transit area. How does the personnel at counters know whether you have been out or not. Tiotsiiva's friends at the passport control escort you there? If you leave the transit area then you return through the Immigration counter and they can see that the boarding pass was issued somewhere else. That shouldn't happen if you checked in at the local airport. Heh heh. I have here one boarding pass/instapkaart (KLM) in hand. There is no printed piece of information on it where it is "issued". I see. So the original point of embarkation isn't there? It must be if this is a direct flight. If not a direct flight, it will be marked where it was issued and the original ticket stub will be attached. And it will likely be physically different in appearance if issued in Singapore rather than somewhere else. Bull. Folks have appeared in here to tell you by their first hand experience that it is not as you say. It is true that this boarding pass of mine has nothing to do with Singapore. But is a direct flight (as you assume) from AMS to HEL (I was changing planes after a direct flight from MEX to AMS). So, those who fly by one flight code (hardly available) from MEX via AMS to HEL, will be routinely re-checked if they leave the transit area at Schiphol while those who get their two boarding passes for a flight from MEX to AMS and for another flight from AMS to HEL both at Mexico City airport won't be checked ? Is this anyhow reasonable ? For the shakes of security it is all different if KLM records show that I have two pieces of boarding passes printed at one location from the records which indicate that I have one boarding pass printed at the same location (and for the same route) ? |
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Singapore - 6 hrs to kill in airport- any bus trips?
Tchiowa kirjoitti:
Markku Grönroos wrote in message ... Tchiowa kirjoitti: Markku Grönroos wrote in message ... Mark Pannell kirjoitti: doesnt matter where the boarding pass is issued. Did it last month. You just go through immigration and security as normal except you dont have to check in. Easy to believe. How do you "double check". Your file already resides in the database. Changes to it are hardly generated at any airport just because you have been outside the transit area. How does the personnel at counters know whether you have been out or not. Tiotsiiva's friends at the passport control escort you there? If you leave the transit area then you return through the Immigration counter and they can see that the boarding pass was issued somewhere else. That shouldn't happen if you checked in at the local airport. Heh heh. I have here one boarding pass/instapkaart (KLM) in hand. There is no printed piece of information on it where it is "issued". I see. So the original point of embarkation isn't there? It must be if this is a direct flight. If not a direct flight, it will be marked where it was issued and the original ticket stub will be attached. And it will likely be physically different in appearance if issued in Singapore rather than somewhere else. Bull. Folks have appeared in here to tell you by their first hand experience that it is not as you say. It is true that this boarding pass of mine has nothing to do with Singapore. But is a direct flight (as you assume) from AMS to HEL (I was changing planes after a direct flight from MEX to AMS). So, those who fly by one flight code (hardly available) from MEX via AMS to HEL, will be routinely re-checked if they leave the transit area at Schiphol while those who get their two boarding passes for a flight from MEX to AMS and for another flight from AMS to HEL both at Mexico City airport won't be checked ? Is this anyhow reasonable ? For the shakes of security it is all different if KLM records show that I have two pieces of boarding passes printed at one location from the records which indicate that I have one boarding pass printed at the same location (and for the same route) ? |
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Singapore - 6 hrs to kill in airport- any bus trips?
Tchiowa kirjoitti:
Markku Grönroos wrote in message ... Tchiowa kirjoitti: I see. So the original point of embarkation isn't there? It must be if this is a direct flight. If not a direct flight, it will be marked where it was issued and the original ticket stub will be attached. And it will likely be physically different in appearance if issued in Singapore rather than somewhere else. Bull. Folks have appeared in here to tell you by their first hand experience that it is not as you say. We were talking about the re-check in procedure you say has been introduced at Changi since autumn 2001. Who has said that the boarding pass is not identifiable? Other than you? It is true that this boarding pass of mine has nothing to do with Singapore. But is a direct flight (as you assume) from AMS to HEL (I was changing planes after a direct flight from MEX to AMS). If it is a direct flight then you have one and only one boarding pass. It will be separated into the pass and your stub when you board the first time. It will be rather obvious to Immigration in Singapore if you show that stub rather than the full boarding pass. If you have connecting flights then the second boarding pass is clearly marked as to where it can from. You have been told So, those who fly by one flight code (hardly available) from MEX via AMS to HEL, will be routinely re-checked if they leave the transit area at Schiphol while those who get their two boarding passes for a flight from MEX to AMS and for another flight from AMS to HEL both at Mexico City airport won't be checked ? Is this anyhow reasonable ? Read above. Both will be checked when they enter Immigration. You *MUST* show your boarding pass. For the shakes of security it is all different if KLM records show that I have two pieces of boarding passes printed at one location from the records which indicate that I have one boarding pass printed at the same location (and for the same route) ? Immigration will not look at the KLM record. They will look at the piece of paper you have. If they have questions or problems with it then they may look at airline records. If the record shows you left baggage in the transit area while you actually left transit you will be checked. Left baggage in the transit area while you are somewhere else... you will be checked? I don't follow. Where in the transit area you leave your luggage when you are going to town? |
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Singapore - 6 hrs to kill in airport- any bus trips?
Tchiowa kirjoitti:
Markku Grönroos wrote in message ... Tchiowa kirjoitti: Immigration will not look at the KLM record. They will look at the piece of paper you have. If they have questions or problems with it then they may look at airline records. If the record shows you left baggage in the transit area while you actually left transit you will be checked. Left baggage in the transit area while you are somewhere else... you will be checked? I don't follow. Where in the transit area you leave your luggage when you are going to town? Have you been following the thread at all????? The statement was that someone who was checked through to a destination beyond Singapore could leave the airport even though he had checked baggage through. That is what causes the problem. The checked baggage. Why checked luggage causes any problems? One is travelling from point A to point B by plane x and further by plane y (which may be plane x as well) to point C. His (at point A security checked) luggage is moved by ground personnel from plane x by carts to terminal in which it is sorted and later loaded to the cargo of plane y (this will be done only in the case planes y and x are two and different planes). As far as I know this process is fully independent from the decision whether the owner of the luggage leaves the transit area or not. At least you have said the following: ************************************************** ************************** True. But if you don't know Singapore you're not going to see much before you have to go back. And you'll have to check your luggage to Singapore and retrieve it. Yes, you can leave it at the airport, but you'll have to retrieve it, pay for the storage, then check it again when you go back. ************************************************** *************************** 1. One can check the luggage at point A to point C (beyond Singapore) if he decided not to leave the Changi (point B) airport ? 2. If he decided differently he should inform the check in staff at point A that luggage is to be checked only to Changi because you are willing to do some sightseeing in Singapore ? You will then physically collect your luggage at the Changi arrivals and while in Singapore it will be stored in a location of your own decision and when it is time to go back to the transit area you get your luggage and check it to your destination ? Do I read you at all ? If so: What about the staff at point A refuse to do so (as they very well might do) and will clear your luggage all the way to point C no matter how much you may protest against it ? Hopefully you had it all differently in your mind and I am just confused here. I admit, this above mentioned scenario is all crazy. I just get such an impression for some reason. |
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Singapore - 6 hrs to kill in airport- any bus trips?
Tchiowa kirjoitti:
Markku Grönroos wrote in message ... Tchiowa kirjoitti: Immigration will not look at the KLM record. They will look at the piece of paper you have. If they have questions or problems with it then they may look at airline records. If the record shows you left baggage in the transit area while you actually left transit you will be checked. Left baggage in the transit area while you are somewhere else... you will be checked? I don't follow. Where in the transit area you leave your luggage when you are going to town? Have you been following the thread at all????? The statement was that someone who was checked through to a destination beyond Singapore could leave the airport even though he had checked baggage through. That is what causes the problem. The checked baggage. Why checked luggage causes any problems? One is travelling from point A to point B by plane x and further by plane y (which may be plane x as well) to point C. His (at point A security checked) luggage is moved by ground personnel from plane x by carts to terminal in which it is sorted and later loaded to the cargo of plane y (this will be done only in the case planes y and x are two and different planes). As far as I know this process is fully independent from the decision whether the owner of the luggage leaves the transit area or not. At least you have said the following: ************************************************** ************************** True. But if you don't know Singapore you're not going to see much before you have to go back. And you'll have to check your luggage to Singapore and retrieve it. Yes, you can leave it at the airport, but you'll have to retrieve it, pay for the storage, then check it again when you go back. ************************************************** *************************** 1. One can check the luggage at point A to point C (beyond Singapore) if he decided not to leave the Changi (point B) airport ? 2. If he decided differently he should inform the check in staff at point A that luggage is to be checked only to Changi because you are willing to do some sightseeing in Singapore ? You will then physically collect your luggage at the Changi arrivals and while in Singapore it will be stored in a location of your own decision and when it is time to go back to the transit area you get your luggage and check it to your destination ? Do I read you at all ? If so: What about the staff at point A refuse to do so (as they very well might do) and will clear your luggage all the way to point C no matter how much you may protest against it ? Hopefully you had it all differently in your mind and I am just confused here. I admit, this above mentioned scenario is all crazy. I just get such an impression for some reason. |
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Singapore - 6 hrs to kill in airport- any bus trips?
Tchiowa kirjoitti:
allowed. If you have checked your baggage all the way through and then decide to leave the airport you are obligated to inform the airline and collect your baggage. If you want to leave it at a "left luggage" I am convinced that this is not the case. Perhaps the airport authority has questioned you for some reason and then you have reasoned this misleading concept. I have flown to Changi only once (outbound 1 1/2 weeks before the bedouin attacks in the USA) and never afterwards and during this one time the airport was the final post to me. So I cannot tell for sure. However, I don't see ANY reason based on security concerns, why this restriction had been introduced at Changi. Moreover, you say that one is ***obliged*** to do this and yet there are some other chaps around who have said as their most recent experience that this is not the case. It is easy to believe them. And it is very difficult to believe you. I have left the transit area many, many times like this and I have NEVER informed the check in and I have never been forced to collect the luggage from the internal stores (in which only a well defined staff ought to have access). I don't see any reason for this either. And it should be pretty expensive also to get the luggage exclusively on conveyors well after all the other luggage of the same flight have ridden on it. For instance when I visited Amsterdam City two times as a transit passenger lately, I was not obliged to do these things and frankly, it has never occured to me that it could possibly be as you insist. And it isn't. So, anyone having enough time and interest to visit Singapore while in transit, there should be little reason not to do so. My piece of advice is that those folks don't pay any attention whatsoever to this "set of new rules" you insist being in force at Changi. site you must do so outside of transit (because you can't get your luggage while still inside transit). This ought to be about trivial. |
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Singapore - 6 hrs to kill in airport- any bus trips?
Tchiowa kirjoitti:
allowed. If you have checked your baggage all the way through and then decide to leave the airport you are obligated to inform the airline and collect your baggage. If you want to leave it at a "left luggage" I am convinced that this is not the case. Perhaps the airport authority has questioned you for some reason and then you have reasoned this misleading concept. I have flown to Changi only once (outbound 1 1/2 weeks before the bedouin attacks in the USA) and never afterwards and during this one time the airport was the final post to me. So I cannot tell for sure. However, I don't see ANY reason based on security concerns, why this restriction had been introduced at Changi. Moreover, you say that one is ***obliged*** to do this and yet there are some other chaps around who have said as their most recent experience that this is not the case. It is easy to believe them. And it is very difficult to believe you. I have left the transit area many, many times like this and I have NEVER informed the check in and I have never been forced to collect the luggage from the internal stores (in which only a well defined staff ought to have access). I don't see any reason for this either. And it should be pretty expensive also to get the luggage exclusively on conveyors well after all the other luggage of the same flight have ridden on it. For instance when I visited Amsterdam City two times as a transit passenger lately, I was not obliged to do these things and frankly, it has never occured to me that it could possibly be as you insist. And it isn't. So, anyone having enough time and interest to visit Singapore while in transit, there should be little reason not to do so. My piece of advice is that those folks don't pay any attention whatsoever to this "set of new rules" you insist being in force at Changi. site you must do so outside of transit (because you can't get your luggage while still inside transit). This ought to be about trivial. |
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Singapore - 6 hrs to kill in airport- any bus trips?
Markku Grönroos wrote in message ...
Tchiowa kirjoitti: allowed. If you have checked your baggage all the way through and then decide to leave the airport you are obligated to inform the airline and collect your baggage. If you want to leave it at a "left luggage" I am convinced that this is not the case. You can be "convinced" all you'd like. I know for a fact this is the case. Perhaps the airport authority has questioned you for some reason and then you have reasoned this misleading concept. The airport authority in Singapore has never questioned me about this. But I know people who have been stopped. And I checked with corporate travel and they cited the rules. I have flown to Changi only once (outbound 1 1/2 weeks before the bedouin attacks in the USA) and never afterwards and during this one time the airport was the final post to me. Rules changed after 9/11. There was a lot of sloppy enforcement of security before then. Things have changed. So I cannot tell for sure. However, I don't see ANY reason based on security concerns, why this restriction had been introduced at Changi. Hmmm. You don't see any reason why they would not want you flying somewhere, then leaving the airport, possibly not returning, and leaving luggage in the secure area in transit? Moreover, you say that one is ***obliged*** to do this and yet there are some other chaps around who have said as their most recent experience that this is not the case. It is easy to believe them. And it is very difficult to believe you. You have a hard time believing me because you've made a number of wrong statements over time and I've proven you wrong. You particularly are offended by the fact that I pointed out some blatantly racist statements you made (insulting remarks and name-calling of Jews, remember?). I don't recall a single person saying that he had bought a connecting flight ticket, checked luggage through, left the airport at an intermediate stop, and then was told "No Problem!". They may not have been stopped, but they can be. And should be. I have left the transit area many, many times like this "many, many times"??? Interesting, since you just said that you transited Singapore exactly ONCE! |
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Markku Grönroos wrote in message ...
Tchiowa kirjoitti: allowed. If you have checked your baggage all the way through and then decide to leave the airport you are obligated to inform the airline and collect your baggage. If you want to leave it at a "left luggage" I am convinced that this is not the case. You can be "convinced" all you'd like. I know for a fact this is the case. Perhaps the airport authority has questioned you for some reason and then you have reasoned this misleading concept. The airport authority in Singapore has never questioned me about this. But I know people who have been stopped. And I checked with corporate travel and they cited the rules. I have flown to Changi only once (outbound 1 1/2 weeks before the bedouin attacks in the USA) and never afterwards and during this one time the airport was the final post to me. Rules changed after 9/11. There was a lot of sloppy enforcement of security before then. Things have changed. So I cannot tell for sure. However, I don't see ANY reason based on security concerns, why this restriction had been introduced at Changi. Hmmm. You don't see any reason why they would not want you flying somewhere, then leaving the airport, possibly not returning, and leaving luggage in the secure area in transit? Moreover, you say that one is ***obliged*** to do this and yet there are some other chaps around who have said as their most recent experience that this is not the case. It is easy to believe them. And it is very difficult to believe you. You have a hard time believing me because you've made a number of wrong statements over time and I've proven you wrong. You particularly are offended by the fact that I pointed out some blatantly racist statements you made (insulting remarks and name-calling of Jews, remember?). I don't recall a single person saying that he had bought a connecting flight ticket, checked luggage through, left the airport at an intermediate stop, and then was told "No Problem!". They may not have been stopped, but they can be. And should be. I have left the transit area many, many times like this "many, many times"??? Interesting, since you just said that you transited Singapore exactly ONCE! |
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Singapore - 6 hrs to kill in airport- any bus trips?
It is not the case!.I have done it numerous times on the way to different
destinations. "Tchiowa" wrote in message om... Markku Grönroos wrote in message ... Tchiowa kirjoitti: allowed. If you have checked your baggage all the way through and then decide to leave the airport you are obligated to inform the airline and collect your baggage. If you want to leave it at a "left luggage" I am convinced that this is not the case. You can be "convinced" all you'd like. I know for a fact this is the case. Perhaps the airport authority has questioned you for some reason and then you have reasoned this misleading concept. The airport authority in Singapore has never questioned me about this. But I know people who have been stopped. And I checked with corporate travel and they cited the rules. I have flown to Changi only once (outbound 1 1/2 weeks before the bedouin attacks in the USA) and never afterwards and during this one time the airport was the final post to me. Rules changed after 9/11. There was a lot of sloppy enforcement of security before then. Things have changed. So I cannot tell for sure. However, I don't see ANY reason based on security concerns, why this restriction had been introduced at Changi. Hmmm. You don't see any reason why they would not want you flying somewhere, then leaving the airport, possibly not returning, and leaving luggage in the secure area in transit? Moreover, you say that one is ***obliged*** to do this and yet there are some other chaps around who have said as their most recent experience that this is not the case. It is easy to believe them. And it is very difficult to believe you. You have a hard time believing me because you've made a number of wrong statements over time and I've proven you wrong. You particularly are offended by the fact that I pointed out some blatantly racist statements you made (insulting remarks and name-calling of Jews, remember?). I don't recall a single person saying that he had bought a connecting flight ticket, checked luggage through, left the airport at an intermediate stop, and then was told "No Problem!". They may not have been stopped, but they can be. And should be. I have left the transit area many, many times like this "many, many times"??? Interesting, since you just said that you transited Singapore exactly ONCE! |
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