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Tasers NEVER killed Anyone
Sorry people. It is illogical to believe in something without evidence.
It's true Richard Nixon and OJ Simpson did nothing wrong. The lack of evidence proves this as does the fact the Tasers never killed any one. Dziekanski's death not caused by Taser, says device maker Taser International Inc. lashes out a media in statement released late Friday, sends 60 legal letters demanding corrections to 'false and misleading headlines' Globe and Mail Update The following statement, released late Friday, is attributed to Tom Smith, founder and chairman of Arizona-based TASER International Inc., in response to the death of Robert Dziekanski at the Vancouver airport: An amateur video of the incident that was released earlier this week has received sensational coverage from the media with many reports drawing an unsubstantiated and uninformed conclusion as to the cause of Mr. Dziekanski's death. This tragic incident appears to follow the pattern of many in-custody deaths or deaths following a confrontation with police. Historically medical science and forensic analysis has shown that these deaths are attributable to other factors and not the low-energy electrical discharge of the TASER. Specifically in Canada, while previous incidents were widely reported in the media as 'TASER deaths,' the role of the TASER device has been cleared in every case to date – including the widely publicized Bagnell in-custody death in Vancouver where the TASER device was cleared by an inquest jury. Cardiac arrest caused by electrical current is immediate. The video of the incident at the Vancouver airport indicates that the subject was continuing to fight well after the TASER application. This continuing struggle could not be possible if the subject died as a result of the TASER device electrical current causing cardiac arrest. His continuing struggle is proof that the TASER device was not the cause of his death. Further, the video clearly shows symptoms of excited delirium, a potentially fatal condition marked by symptoms of exhaustion and mania such as heavy breathing, profuse sweating, confusion, disorientation and violence toward inanimate objects. We are taken aback by the number of media outlets that have irresponsibly published conclusive headlines blaming the TASER device and/or the law enforcement officers involved as the cause of death before completion of the investigation. These sensationalistic media reports completely ignore the earmark symptoms of excited delirium shown in the video. TASER International is transmitting over 60 legal demand letters requiring correction of these false and misleading headlines and will take other actions as appropriate. These unsubstantiated, false headlines mislead the public and could adversely influence public policy in ways which could place the lives of both law enforcement and the public at greater risk. |
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Tasers NEVER killed Anyone
We all agree, it wasn't the Taser that killed him.
It was the idiot police officers that didn't follow their training and RCMP protocol in dealing with suspects. It was tasing him twice, and 3 officers kneeling on his back and neck, not letting him breathe. It was the officers' refusal to administer First Aid. They let him die, they could have saved him after they rendered him unconscious. "Taser Lover" wrote in message news:nPn0j.11831$cD.3226@pd7urf2no... Sorry people. It is illogical to believe in something without evidence. It's true Richard Nixon and OJ Simpson did nothing wrong. The lack of evidence proves this as does the fact the Tasers never killed any one. Dziekanski's death not caused by Taser, says device maker Taser International Inc. lashes out a media in statement released late Friday, sends 60 legal letters demanding corrections to 'false and misleading headlines' Globe and Mail Update The following statement, released late Friday, is attributed to Tom Smith, founder and chairman of Arizona-based TASER International Inc., in response to the death of Robert Dziekanski at the Vancouver airport: An amateur video of the incident that was released earlier this week has received sensational coverage from the media with many reports drawing an unsubstantiated and uninformed conclusion as to the cause of Mr. Dziekanski's death. This tragic incident appears to follow the pattern of many in-custody deaths or deaths following a confrontation with police. Historically medical science and forensic analysis has shown that these deaths are attributable to other factors and not the low-energy electrical discharge of the TASER. Specifically in Canada, while previous incidents were widely reported in the media as 'TASER deaths,' the role of the TASER device has been cleared in every case to date – including the widely publicized Bagnell in-custody death in Vancouver where the TASER device was cleared by an inquest jury. Cardiac arrest caused by electrical current is immediate. The video of the incident at the Vancouver airport indicates that the subject was continuing to fight well after the TASER application. This continuing struggle could not be possible if the subject died as a result of the TASER device electrical current causing cardiac arrest. His continuing struggle is proof that the TASER device was not the cause of his death. Further, the video clearly shows symptoms of excited delirium, a potentially fatal condition marked by symptoms of exhaustion and mania such as heavy breathing, profuse sweating, confusion, disorientation and violence toward inanimate objects. We are taken aback by the number of media outlets that have irresponsibly published conclusive headlines blaming the TASER device and/or the law enforcement officers involved as the cause of death before completion of the investigation. These sensationalistic media reports completely ignore the earmark symptoms of excited delirium shown in the video. TASER International is transmitting over 60 legal demand letters requiring correction of these false and misleading headlines and will take other actions as appropriate. These unsubstantiated, false headlines mislead the public and could adversely influence public policy in ways which could place the lives of both law enforcement and the public at greater risk. |
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Tasers NEVER killed Anyone
"J.Robertson" wrote:
We all agree, it wasn't the Taser that killed him. It was the idiot police officers that didn't follow their training and RCMP protocol in dealing with suspects. It was tasing him twice, and 3 officers kneeling on his back and neck, not letting him breathe. Those officers acted exactly as they are trained to. |
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"Dave Smith" wrote in message ... "J.Robertson" wrote: We all agree, it wasn't the Taser that killed him. It was the idiot police officers that didn't follow their training and RCMP protocol in dealing with suspects. It was tasing him twice, and 3 officers kneeling on his back and neck, not letting him breathe. Those officers acted exactly as they are trained to. No they didn't. Compare the RCMP official response guidelines to what the officers did. Not even close. |
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Tasers NEVER killed Anyone
"Dave Smith" wrote in message ... : "J.Robertson" wrote: : : We all agree, it wasn't the Taser that killed him. : : It was the idiot police officers that didn't follow their training and RCMP : protocol in dealing with suspects. It was tasing him twice, and 3 officers : kneeling on his back and neck, not letting him breathe. : : : Those officers acted exactly as they are trained to. Exactly, and you're an expert because you have gone through the RCMP Training program and have received additional training in the use of the taser. You also have the RCMP's IM manual memorized too. |
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"Rubbish" wrote in message newsxp0j.12242$cD.9018@pd7urf2no... "Dave Smith" wrote in message ... : "J.Robertson" wrote: : : We all agree, it wasn't the Taser that killed him. : : It was the idiot police officers that didn't follow their training and RCMP : protocol in dealing with suspects. It was tasing him twice, and 3 officers : kneeling on his back and neck, not letting him breathe. : : : Those officers acted exactly as they are trained to. Exactly, and you're an expert because you have gone through the RCMP Training program and have received additional training in the use of the taser. You also have the RCMP's IM manual memorized too. Even the official training material the RCMP trotted out in defense of their officers, is inconsistent (by a BIG margin) with what the 4 officers did. They didn't assess the situation, they ignored witnesses, they did not first try to calm him, didn't properly warn him, etc etc etc etc etc. Cops from outside Canada (not subject to peer discipline here, therefore - free to speak the truth not the official party line) say the officers didn't follow procedure. Lawyers in Canada, familiar with RCMP training and confrontation protocol, say the officers didn't follow procedure. The only people saying the officers acted properly, are the RCMP spokespeople. And they are proven liars. They lied about the number of officers there, the number of people in the terminal, the amount of time and effort they spent trying to calm Robert, and their efforts to revive him. |
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Tasers NEVER killed Anyone
Dave Smith aka "Cement Head" is an expert in his own mind. He
ignores the retired VPD remarks that 4 goons should never been involved. He only believes what he wants to. It sounds like he's deliberately baiting people here. The best thing to do is ignore him and run away from those who share his abstract and bizzare reasoning skills. These people are nothing but trouble. "Dave Smith" wrote in message ... : "J.Robertson" wrote: : : We all agree, it wasn't the Taser that killed him. : : It was the idiot police officers that didn't follow their training and RCMP : protocol in dealing with suspects. It was tasing him twice, and 3 officers : kneeling on his back and neck, not letting him breathe. : : : Those officers acted exactly as they are trained to. |
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On Nov 19, 5:11 pm, "J.Robertson" wrote:
We all agree, it wasn't the Taser that killed him. Do we really know that for sure. Quoted from CNN; Since June 2001, more than 150 people have died in the United States after being subdued with stun guns, according to Amnesty International, which has called for police departments to suspend use of the devices pending study of their possible risks. Something to think about. It was the idiot police officers that didn't follow their training and RCMP protocol in dealing with suspects. It was tasing him twice, and 3 officers kneeling on his back and neck, not letting him breathe. It was the officers' refusal to administer First Aid. They let him die, they could have saved him after they rendered him unconscious. "Taser Lover" wrote in message news:nPn0j.11831$cD.3226@pd7urf2no... Sorry people. It is illogical to believe in something without evidence. It's true Richard Nixon and OJ Simpson did nothing wrong. The lack of evidence proves this as does the fact the Tasers never killed any one. Dziekanski's death not caused by Taser, says device maker Taser International Inc. lashes out a media in statement released late Friday, sends 60 legal letters demanding corrections to 'false and misleading headlines' Globe and Mail Update The following statement, released late Friday, is attributed to Tom Smith, founder and chairman of Arizona-based TASER International Inc., in response to the death of Robert Dziekanski at the Vancouver airport: An amateur video of the incident that was released earlier this week has received sensational coverage from the media with many reports drawing an unsubstantiated and uninformed conclusion as to the cause of Mr. Dziekanski's death. This tragic incident appears to follow the pattern of many in-custody deaths or deaths following a confrontation with police. Historically medical science and forensic analysis has shown that these deaths are attributable to other factors and not the low-energy electrical discharge of the TASER. Specifically in Canada, while previous incidents were widely reported in the media as 'TASER deaths,' the role of the TASER device has been cleared in every case to date - including the widely publicized Bagnell in-custody death in Vancouver where the TASER device was cleared by an inquest jury. Cardiac arrest caused by electrical current is immediate. The video of the incident at the Vancouver airport indicates that the subject was continuing to fight well after the TASER application. This continuing struggle could not be possible if the subject died as a result of the TASER device electrical current causing cardiac arrest. His continuing struggle is proof that the TASER device was not the cause of his death. Further, the video clearly shows symptoms of excited delirium, a potentially fatal condition marked by symptoms of exhaustion and mania such as heavy breathing, profuse sweating, confusion, disorientation and violence toward inanimate objects. We are taken aback by the number of media outlets that have irresponsibly published conclusive headlines blaming the TASER device and/or the law enforcement officers involved as the cause of death before completion of the investigation. These sensationalistic media reports completely ignore the earmark symptoms of excited delirium shown in the video. TASER International is transmitting over 60 legal demand letters requiring correction of these false and misleading headlines and will take other actions as appropriate. These unsubstantiated, false headlines mislead the public and could adversely influence public policy in ways which could place the lives of both law enforcement and the public at greater risk.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - |
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Jim Davis wrote:
:: :: We all agree, it wasn't the Taser that killed him. : : Do we really know that for sure. : Quoted from CNN; : : Since June 2001, more than 150 people have died in the United States : after being subdued with stun guns, according to Amnesty : International, which has called for police departments to suspend use : of the devices pending study of their possible risks. : : Something to think about. It was mentioned here before, it's not guns that kill people but people who kill people. People are forgetting, largely because the manufacturer of tasers says their use is safe AND because we trust the cops to be using the right tools that these tasers are being routinely used to as the first defense in the [name] of safety for the officers. We erroneously assume the police know what is best for you and I. People on radio/tv/email are praising law enforcement for doing a job that nobody else wants to do. Therefore, using their philosphy and logic, it's justifiable for the police to take any action THEY feel is necessary to subdue someone, even murdering them. Afterall, the police put their lives on the line every day. They should be allowed to do WHATEVER they want, even if that "whatever" is criminal behavior. We have to condone that behavior or action because these are cops. Thank God only a minority of indivduals who have no logic feel this way. Unfortunately, it will be those involved in the public inquiry that will also condone the actions of these four cops. As a result, not much will change, if anything when it comes to police enforcement and the use of the taser. What will be recommended is changes at YVR, but that's a federal issue not a local one. |
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"Taser Lover" wrote in message news:nPn0j.11831$cD.3226@pd7urf2no... Sorry people. It is illogical to believe in something without evidence. It's true Richard Nixon and OJ Simpson did nothing wrong. The lack of evidence proves this as does the fact the Tasers never killed any one. Dziekanski's death not caused by Taser, says device maker Taser International Inc. lashes out a media in statement released late Friday, sends 60 legal letters demanding corrections to 'false and misleading headlines' Globe and Mail Update The following statement, released late Friday, is attributed to Tom Smith, founder and chairman of Arizona-based TASER International Inc., in response to the death of Robert Dziekanski at the Vancouver airport: An amateur video of the incident that was released earlier this week has received sensational coverage from the media with many reports drawing an unsubstantiated and uninformed conclusion as to the cause of Mr. Dziekanski's death. This tragic incident appears to follow the pattern of many in-custody deaths or deaths following a confrontation with police. Historically medical science and forensic analysis has shown that these deaths are attributable to other factors and not the low-energy electrical discharge of the TASER. Specifically in Canada, while previous incidents were widely reported in the media as 'TASER deaths,' the role of the TASER device has been cleared in every case to date – including the widely publicized Bagnell in-custody death in Vancouver where the TASER device was cleared by an inquest jury. Cardiac arrest caused by electrical current is immediate. The video of the incident at the Vancouver airport indicates that the subject was continuing to fight well after the TASER application. This continuing struggle could not be possible if the subject died as a result of the TASER device electrical current causing cardiac arrest. His continuing struggle is proof that the TASER device was not the cause of his death. Further, the video clearly shows symptoms of excited delirium, a potentially fatal condition marked by symptoms of exhaustion and mania such as heavy breathing, profuse sweating, confusion, disorientation and violence toward inanimate objects. We are taken aback by the number of media outlets that have irresponsibly published conclusive headlines blaming the TASER device and/or the law enforcement officers involved as the cause of death before completion of the investigation. These sensationalistic media reports completely ignore the earmark symptoms of excited delirium shown in the video. TASER International is transmitting over 60 legal demand letters requiring correction of these false and misleading headlines and will take other actions as appropriate. These unsubstantiated, false headlines mislead the public and could adversely influence public policy in ways which could place the lives of both law enforcement and the public at greater risk. I beg to differ as does the coroner ..http://www.azcentral.com/arizonarepu...0730taser30.ht http://www.azcentral.com/arizonarepu...30taser30.html Getting tasered must be good for you, have someone shock you several times and report back if you can. |
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