Vegas - drive to Pebble Beach - Yosemite - back to Vegas - opinions ?

- Bobb - wrote:
COmments inline ( these were written while I was replying to another)

"-hh" wrote:
: [Bobb wrote]
: I need to be back in Vegas by April 29th for a meeting. So work it
: backwards to ... when should I fly out there ?
:
: Insufficient information. Personally, I'd not bother to go anywhere
: unless I'm going to enjoy at least 2x-3x more hours visiting there as
: it took me to get there. As such...

That's my question about visiting Sequoia and King's Canyon - is
it worth my drive to get there - not if just a drive-thru. BUT if
I can spend a full day there then it would be worth it.

Sorry, but your original note was rambly - - not particularly well
organized to make it easiliy understandable for readers to identify all
the possible stops you were considering.

Ditto too for your budget of time and budget on cost: its not rocket
science to extend the trip to make it long enough to fit it in, but you
probably have an unstated constraint that doesn't make this a realistic
option. As such, I can cop out and say that your solution is to simply
take another week off :-)


I've been to Yosemite valley area each year, so one night there is fine.

Again, this unfortunately wasn't clear, so in line with what seemed to
be a general ignorance about things like basic fuel cost, I assumed
that you had never been there before.

In any event, regardless of how many times you've been to a particular
place, there's still always the question of if the payoff is worth the
effort. If you've been there a dozen times before, I really doubt that
its worth a figurative extra 10 hours in a car to spend 10 minutes at
XYZ overlook, etc. YMMV on what your personal "Effort vs Benefit"
ratio is, but it is an simple & effective tool to make sure that basic
common sense isn't overlooked. While you might find enjoyment simply
from driving, this is not necessarily a common trait, particularly when
it comes to many hours in a car rather than just a few.


So you'd skip the other Natl' Parks ?

I'm skipping everything that wasn't clearly listed as an objective.
This is why I also skipped Yellowstone, Mt. Rushmore, Everglades,
Smokies, the Statue of Liberty and many others.


I was thinking maybe a day in King's Canyon / Sequoia ( is one enough ?)

Depends...have you been there before _too_?

I've not been up to Kings/Sequoia to offer a specific comment, but as a
rule of thumb, I'd expect to at least spend one day and get beyond the
mainstream tourist loop and to do some dayhiking; YMMV. But since
there have been some comments about snow in the high country in April,
since you're planning on being along the coast in the Monterey area,
you might want to consider one of the Coastal Redwoods areas in
addition (or in lieu of) Sequia's within the Santa Cruz Mountains, such
as Big Basin Redwoods SP & Castle Rock SP. The easy access areas
aren't all that huge, so figure a garden path stroll and a short hike
plus a few hours in the car getting in/out would occupy an unhurried
day. In April, I'd be prepared for fogs, which probably would offer
some neat photography opportunities.


-hh

hh,

Sorry for the confusion. I had posted several others in the thread and didn't copy/paste the earlier info into my last message.

I liked the earlier suggestions :
Vegas - up the coast to Monterey area then over to Yosemite for a day or two.
And yours - if not Yosemite then stop at Big Basin Redwoods SP on the way via the coastal route

Outstanding questions: ( if I'm a 'typical tourist' who is in Yosemite and has to drive to Vegas AND has never been to King's
Canyon or Sequoia NP or Death Valley )

I know it's subjective , but in the reader's opinion, I'm now asking-
" is the drive from Yosemite to these other parks worth it in April ?"
I know I'll get different views - that's why I'm asking.
I'm checking the Park websites for current conditions but if I am
going to visit them in late April then how much time to allow for that part of the trip ? ( Yosemite - Vegas)
Should I do King's Canyon and Sequoia but skip Death Valley ? ( road looks way out of my way.)
If I do go - is one day per park plenty ?
Including my stay - should I allow - say 4 days to get from Yosemite to Vegas ?
( 2 days driving and 2 days visiting ?) Or with all the snowpack the roads will be poor and I should skip it - or it's more like
7 days ? That's what I can't get a handle on from research online. And I need to know that before I buy my plane tickets to Vegas

Thanks,
Bobb


"-hh" wrote in message ups.com...
:
: - Bobb - wrote:
: Comments inline ( these were written while I was replying to another)
:
: "-hh" wrote:
: : [Bobb wrote]
: : I need to be back in Vegas by April 29th for a meeting. So work it
: : backwards to ... when should I fly out there ?
: :
: : Insufficient information. Personally, I'd not bother to go anywhere
: : unless I'm going to enjoy at least 2x-3x more hours visiting there as
: : it took me to get there. As such...
:
: That's my question about visiting Sequoia and King's Canyon - is
: it worth my drive to get there - not if just a drive-thru. BUT if
: I can spend a full day there then it would be worth it.
:
: Sorry, but your original note was rambly - - not particularly well
: organized to make it easiliy understandable for readers to identify all
: the possible stops you were considering.
: Ditto too for your budget of time and budget on cost: its not rocket
: science to extend the trip to make it long enough to fit it in, but you
: probably have an unstated constraint that doesn't make this a realistic
: option. As such, I can cop out and say that your solution is to simply
: take another week off :-)
:
:
: I've been to Yosemite valley area each year, so one night there is fine.
:
: Again, this unfortunately wasn't clear, so in line with what seemed to
: be a general ignorance about things like basic fuel cost, I assumed
: that you had never been there before.
:
: In any event, regardless of how many times you've been to a particular
: place, there's still always the question of if the payoff is worth the
: effort. If you've been there a dozen times before, I really doubt that
: its worth a figurative extra 10 hours in a car to spend 10 minutes at
: XYZ overlook, etc. YMMV on what your personal "Effort vs Benefit"
: ratio is, but it is an simple & effective tool to make sure that basic
: common sense isn't overlooked. While you might find enjoyment simply
: from driving, this is not necessarily a common trait, particularly when
: it comes to many hours in a car rather than just a few.
:
:
: So you'd skip the other Natl' Parks ?
:
: I'm skipping everything that wasn't clearly listed as an objective.
: This is why I also skipped Yellowstone, Mt. Rushmore, Everglades,
: Smokies, the Statue of Liberty and many others.
:
:
: I was thinking maybe a day in King's Canyon / Sequoia ( is one enough ?)
:
: Depends...have you been there before _too_?
:
: I've not been up to Kings/Sequoia to offer a specific comment, but as a
: rule of thumb, I'd expect to at least spend one day and get beyond the
: mainstream tourist loop and to do some dayhiking; YMMV. But since
: there have been some comments about snow in the high country in April,
: since you're planning on being along the coast in the Monterey area,
: you might want to consider one of the Coastal Redwoods areas in
: addition (or in lieu of) Sequia's within the Santa Cruz Mountains, such
: as Big Basin Redwoods SP & Castle Rock SP. The easy access areas
: aren't all that huge, so figure a garden path stroll and a short hike
: plus a few hours in the car getting in/out would occupy an unhurried
: day. In April, I'd be prepared for fogs, which probably would offer
: some neat photography opportunities.
:
:
: -hh
:
"- Bobb -" wrote in message ...
: I'm checking airfares and rather than fly from home-SJC-LAS- home,
: I'm debating doing a r/t from home-Vegas, then driving ( to
: save ~$300 on the airfare and see the area). Anyone done that loop ? Opinions on itinerary ?
:
: I'm considering flying to Vegas - renting a car - driving to the west coast - up the coastal route to Carmel - then up to
: Yosemite - then head south for the other Nat'l parks on the way back to Vegas.
:
: How much $$ to allow for the car / gas ?? Last year it was ~$3.25 /gal in california - what is it these days ?
: How much time to allow for the driving ?
: I need to be back in Vegas by April 29th for a meeting. So work it backwards to ... when should I fly out there ?
: LAS - Monterey,CA is ~ 500 miles on Yahoo
: On the way out, I figure to go from Vegas to Hearst Castle area the first day ( maybe )
: Then next day stop in Los Gatos area - overnight - then onto Yosemite - 1 or 2 nights there (since entire place not open yet I
: think one full day is enough ) then head south across the mountains - King's Canyon - whatever else is on the way back to
Vegas.
:
: "- Bobb -" wrote earlier
snipped
*** I've done the coast and Yosemite before (not the others).

- Bobb - wrote:
hh,

Sorry for the confusion. I had posted several others in the thread and didn't copy/paste the earlier info into my last message.

I liked the earlier suggestions :
Vegas - up the coast to Monterey area then over to Yosemite for a day or two.
And yours - if not Yosemite then stop at Big Basin Redwoods SP on the way via the coastal route

Outstanding questions: ( if I'm a 'typical tourist' who is in Yosemite and has to drive to Vegas AND has never been to King's
Canyon or Sequoia NP or Death Valley )

I know it's subjective , but in the reader's opinion, I'm now asking-
" is the drive from Yosemite to these other parks worth it in April ?"

Kings Canyon, the canyon itself, not the outlying Grant Grove, will
still be closed in April. There will still be snow covering the ground
at Sequoia, but the road will be open, barring late storms. Sequoia is
much more about the trees than about the granite cliffs at Yosemite
(though there is Moro Rock, and much more granite higher up, but you
have to hike there). But come to think of it, Moro Rock and the road
to Crescent Meadow may still be closed, too, in April!



I know I'll get different views - that's why I'm asking.
I'm checking the Park websites for current conditions but if I am
going to visit them in late April then how much time to allow for that part of the trip ? ( Yosemite - Vegas)
Should I do King's Canyon and Sequoia but skip Death Valley ? ( road looks way out of my way.)

Both Death Valley and Sequoia are out of the way.

If I do go - is one day per park plenty ?

Not in my opinion. Depends on what you want to do. If there's no
hiking or skiing involved then one day would be enough to pass through
Sequoia and spend some time among the trees. But trees, trees and more
trees will be just about all you will see. If you're willing to do a
five or six mile hike, you could probably see giant sequoias at the
Mariposa Grove in Yosemite, spending another day there instead of
Sequoia. But if you'd rather drive, maybe Sequoia is the place to go.
Be aware that going from Yosemite to Sequoia means coming all the way
down out of the mountains to the flatlands at Fresno, then turning
around and heading back up into the mountains again.

Including my stay - should I allow - say 4 days to get from Yosemite to Vegas ?
( 2 days driving and 2 days visiting ?) Or with all the snowpack the roads will be poor and I should skip it - or it's more like

roads will not be snowpacked, unless there's a storm coming through at
the moment, they are plowed, except for the ones that aren't (Tioga
Pass Road, Crescent Meadow Road, Mariposa Grove Road) and those are
completely closed through winter, not just poor driving.

7 days ? That's what I can't get a handle on from research online. And I need to know that before I buy my plane tickets to Vegas


How long it will take depends on what you want to get out of it. If
you just want to pass through Sequoia, one day from Yosemite through
Sequoia to, say Delano or Tulare will be enough, if you want to explore
a bit, you could spend an entire week at Sequoia, even (especially)
with the road closures and the snow.

Thanks,
Bobb


"-hh" wrote in message ups.com...
:
: - Bobb - wrote:
: Comments inline ( these were written while I was replying to another)
:
: "-hh" wrote:
: : [Bobb wrote]
: : I need to be back in Vegas by April 29th for a meeting. So work it
: : backwards to ... when should I fly out there ?
: :
: : Insufficient information. Personally, I'd not bother to go anywhere
: : unless I'm going to enjoy at least 2x-3x more hours visiting there as
: : it took me to get there. As such...
:
: That's my question about visiting Sequoia and King's Canyon - is
: it worth my drive to get there - not if just a drive-thru. BUT if
: I can spend a full day there then it would be worth it.
:
: Sorry, but your original note was rambly - - not particularly well
: organized to make it easiliy understandable for readers to identify all
: the possible stops you were considering.
: Ditto too for your budget of time and budget on cost: its not rocket
: science to extend the trip to make it long enough to fit it in, but you
: probably have an unstated constraint that doesn't make this a realistic
: option. As such, I can cop out and say that your solution is to simply
: take another week off :-)
:
:
: I've been to Yosemite valley area each year, so one night there is fine.
:
: Again, this unfortunately wasn't clear, so in line with what seemed to
: be a general ignorance about things like basic fuel cost, I assumed
: that you had never been there before.
:
: In any event, regardless of how many times you've been to a particular
: place, there's still always the question of if the payoff is worth the
: effort. If you've been there a dozen times before, I really doubt that
: its worth a figurative extra 10 hours in a car to spend 10 minutes at
: XYZ overlook, etc. YMMV on what your personal "Effort vs Benefit"
: ratio is, but it is an simple & effective tool to make sure that basic
: common sense isn't overlooked. While you might find enjoyment simply
: from driving, this is not necessarily a common trait, particularly when
: it comes to many hours in a car rather than just a few.
:
:
: So you'd skip the other Natl' Parks ?
:
: I'm skipping everything that wasn't clearly listed as an objective.
: This is why I also skipped Yellowstone, Mt. Rushmore, Everglades,
: Smokies, the Statue of Liberty and many others.
:
:
: I was thinking maybe a day in King's Canyon / Sequoia ( is one enough ?)
:
: Depends...have you been there before _too_?
:
: I've not been up to Kings/Sequoia to offer a specific comment, but as a
: rule of thumb, I'd expect to at least spend one day and get beyond the
: mainstream tourist loop and to do some dayhiking; YMMV. But since
: there have been some comments about snow in the high country in April,
: since you're planning on being along the coast in the Monterey area,
: you might want to consider one of the Coastal Redwoods areas in
: addition (or in lieu of) Sequia's within the Santa Cruz Mountains, such
: as Big Basin Redwoods SP & Castle Rock SP. The easy access areas
: aren't all that huge, so figure a garden path stroll and a short hike
: plus a few hours in the car getting in/out would occupy an unhurried
: day. In April, I'd be prepared for fogs, which probably would offer
: some neat photography opportunities.
:
:
: -hh
:
"- Bobb -" wrote in message ...
: I'm checking airfares and rather than fly from home-SJC-LAS- home,
: I'm debating doing a r/t from home-Vegas, then driving ( to
: save ~$300 on the airfare and see the area). Anyone done that loop ? Opinions on itinerary ?
:
: I'm considering flying to Vegas - renting a car - driving to the west coast - up the coastal route to Carmel - then up to
: Yosemite - then head south for the other Nat'l parks on the way back to Vegas.
:
: How much $$ to allow for the car / gas ?? Last year it was ~$3.25 /gal in california - what is it these days ?
: How much time to allow for the driving ?
: I need to be back in Vegas by April 29th for a meeting. So work it backwards to ... when should I fly out there ?
: LAS - Monterey,CA is ~ 500 miles on Yahoo
: On the way out, I figure to go from Vegas to Hearst Castle area the first day ( maybe )
: Then next day stop in Los Gatos area - overnight - then onto Yosemite - 1 or 2 nights there (since entire place not open yet I
: think one full day is enough ) then head south across the mountains - King's Canyon - whatever else is on the way back to
Vegas.
:
: "- Bobb -" wrote earlier
snipped
*** I've done the coast and Yosemite before (not the others).

In article , - Bobb -
wrote:

I'm checking the Park websites for current conditions but if I am
going to visit them in late April then how much time to allow for that part
of the trip ? ( Yosemite - Vegas)

Here's the place to find out current road conditions...

http://www.dot.ca.gov/hq/roadinfo/

You type in a route number and get detailed info.

--- Walt

- Bobb - wrote:
Icono,
What's wrong with this trip ? . . . I have no time constraints
other than being in Vegas on the 29th - what's the problem ?

If you said that in the first place, I missed it.

So why it THIS trip unreasonable ?

It isn't considering that you have the time.

Vegas - west coast - up the coastal route to Carmel - then up to
Yosemite - [Kings Canyon - Sequoia - Death Valley] - back to
Vegas.

I think your route should be Pahrump-Shoshone-Furnace Creek-Mojave
then to San Luís Obispo-Morro Bay-Hearst-Carmel/Monterey.

Continuing, I recommend going through San Juan Bautista and Hollister
to the Pacheco Pass (156). Although much of the way from Monterey to
Yosemite is four lanes and divided, none of it is freeway. I always
stop at Casa de Fruita and the Romero Overlook.

About forty miles beyond Los Banos, you'll see signs to follow to
Merced. From Merced (nice little museum of local history), take the
Central Yosemite Highway (140) that is The Best Way Into Yosemite!
Then to Yosemite, Kings Canyon and Sequoia back to Mojave and 'Vegas.

Because you won't be able to cross the Sierra Nevada, you'll have
t'go around it. Considering what you want to see, that'll be in the
South. However, you can add several hundred miles to the trip by,
from Death Valley, going to Lone Pine and up the beautiful Highway
395 to Carson City, thence to South Lake Tahoe (Emerald Bay), through
Sacramento to San Francisco to Monterey

Driving Directions: San Francisco to:
Pacifica-Half Moon Bay-Santa Cruz-Monterey/Carmel
http://geocities.com/iconoc/Articles/DriveDir.html

Then you'd have to go to Yosemite from San Luís Obispo. I still
recommend the Central Yosemite Highway (140) as you'll be leaving
Yosemite on the Southern Yosemite Highway (XXX) to Fresno.

I would go to Yosemite on the return as the falls will be fuller the
nearer to April 29.

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Thanks very much folks for all the advice.
I copied this thread to my PC and will check the online ponters and arrange my plans.

Bobb


"Icono Clast" wrote in message om...
- Bobb - wrote:
Icono,
What's wrong with this trip ? . . . I have no time constraints
other than being in Vegas on the 29th - what's the problem ?

If you said that in the first place, I missed it.

So why it THIS trip unreasonable ?

It isn't considering that you have the time.

Vegas - west coast - up the coastal route to Carmel - then up to Yosemite - [Kings Canyon - Sequoia - Death Valley] - back to
Vegas.

I think your route should be Pahrump-Shoshone-Furnace Creek-Mojave
then to San Luís Obispo-Morro Bay-Hearst-Carmel/Monterey.

Continuing, I recommend going through San Juan Bautista and Hollister
to the Pacheco Pass (156). Although much of the way from Monterey to
Yosemite is four lanes and divided, none of it is freeway. I always
stop at Casa de Fruita and the Romero Overlook.

About forty miles beyond Los Banos, you'll see signs to follow to
Merced. From Merced (nice little museum of local history), take the
Central Yosemite Highway (140) that is The Best Way Into Yosemite!
Then to Yosemite, Kings Canyon and Sequoia back to Mojave and 'Vegas.

Because you won't be able to cross the Sierra Nevada, you'll have
t'go around it. Considering what you want to see, that'll be in the
South. However, you can add several hundred miles to the trip by,
from Death Valley, going to Lone Pine and up the beautiful Highway
395 to Carson City, thence to South Lake Tahoe (Emerald Bay), through
Sacramento to San Francisco to Monterey

Driving Directions: San Francisco to:
Pacifica-Half Moon Bay-Santa Cruz-Monterey/Carmel
http://geocities.com/iconoc/Articles/DriveDir.html

Then you'd have to go to Yosemite from San Luís Obispo. I still
recommend the Central Yosemite Highway (140) as you'll be leaving
Yosemite on the Southern Yosemite Highway (XXX) to Fresno.

I would go to Yosemite on the return as the falls will be fuller the
nearer to April 29.

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It seems to me I heard somewhere that Carmen L. Abruzzi wrote in article
.com:

- Bobb - wrote:

Sorry for the confusion. I had posted several others in the thread and didn't copy/paste the earlier info into my last message.

I liked the earlier suggestions :
Vegas - up the coast to Monterey area then over to Yosemite for a day or two.
And yours - if not Yosemite then stop at Big Basin Redwoods SP on the way via the coastal route

Outstanding questions: ( if I'm a 'typical tourist' who is in Yosemite and has to drive to Vegas AND has never been to King's
Canyon or Sequoia NP or Death Valley )

I know it's subjective , but in the reader's opinion, I'm now asking-
" is the drive from Yosemite to these other parks worth it in April ?"

Kings Canyon, the canyon itself, not the outlying Grant Grove, will
still be closed in April. There will still be snow covering the ground
at Sequoia, but the road will be open, barring late storms. Sequoia is
much more about the trees than about the granite cliffs at Yosemite
(though there is Moro Rock, and much more granite higher up, but you
have to hike there). But come to think of it, Moro Rock and the road
to Crescent Meadow may still be closed, too, in April!

I know I'll get different views - that's why I'm asking.
I'm checking the Park websites for current conditions but if I am
going to visit them in late April then how much time to allow for that part of the trip ? ( Yosemite - Vegas)
Should I do King's Canyon and Sequoia but skip Death Valley ? ( road looks way out of my way.)

Both Death Valley and Sequoia are out of the way.

If I do go - is one day per park plenty ?

Not in my opinion. Depends on what you want to do. If there's no
hiking or skiing involved then one day would be enough to pass through
Sequoia and spend some time among the trees. But trees, trees and more
trees will be just about all you will see. If you're willing to do a
five or six mile hike, you could probably see giant sequoias at the
Mariposa Grove in Yosemite, spending another day there instead of
Sequoia. But if you'd rather drive, maybe Sequoia is the place to go.
Be aware that going from Yosemite to Sequoia means coming all the way
down out of the mountains to the flatlands at Fresno, then turning
around and heading back up into the mountains again.

I'm in general agreement with Carmen's comments, including the ones I
snipped. To add some detail, from Fresno you can go east via Hwy 180 to
the northern entrance into Sequoia; continuing on Hwy 180 will take you
northerly into Kings Canyon NP; turning right onto Hwy 198 will take you
south through Sequoia NP to the southern exit from the park. Hwy 198
continues across the San Joaquin Valley and ends in the Salinas Valley
near King City on US 101.

roads will not be snowpacked, unless there's a storm coming through at
the moment, they are plowed, except for the ones that aren't (Tioga
Pass Road, Crescent Meadow Road, Mariposa Grove Road) and those are
completely closed through winter, not just poor driving.

How long it will take depends on what you want to get out of it. If
you just want to pass through Sequoia, one day from Yosemite through
Sequoia to, say Delano or Tulare will be enough, if you want to explore
a bit, you could spend an entire week at Sequoia, even (especially)
with the road closures and the snow.

Delano and Tulare both lie on US 99, the first major highway through the
Central Valley. It's slightly roundabout, but possibly faster. I think
most locals turn south off Hwy 198 onto Hwy 65 north of Exeter; Hwy 65
ends after joining Hwy 99 at Bakersfield, bypassing Tulare and Delano,
and shortly after that Hwy 99 joins after Interstate 5, the high speed
throughway.
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Gas has not been unavailable for less than $3 in California except
maybe in Furnace Creek. It's close to it now, being $2.58 at my
cornerstation and as much fifteen cents higher nearby.

This evening, at the corner of El Camino Real and Twentieth Avenue in
San Mateo, the posted price for gas was $3.10! My corner station is
$2.56.

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- Bobb - wrote:
then 41 to 99 out of Yosemite.

Icono Clast said:
leaving Yosemite on the Southern Yosemite Highway (XXX) to Fresno.

The "(XXX)" was a note to me to find the highway number. Yes, it's 41.

Should I do King's Canyon and Sequoia but skip Death Valley ?

I wouldn't.


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Icono Clast wrote:
Icono Clast wrote:
Gas has not been unavailable for less than $3 in California
except maybe in Furnace Creek. It's close to it now, being $2.58
at my cornerstation and as much fifteen cents higher nearby.

This evening, at the corner of El Camino Real and Twentieth Avenue
in San Mateo, the posted price for gas was $3.10! My corner
station is $2.56.

This evening, my corner station is $2.60.

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