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Using electronic devices during take-off and landing
On 10/22/2011 07:30 PM, Mxsmanic wrote:
Fly Guy writes: The embargo on electronic devices during take-off and landing is bull****. We all know that prohibition is there to remove a possible source of interference or lack-of-attention between the crew and passengers in cases of emergency (which are more relavent during taxi/takeoff/landing than during other phases of the flight). No, it's not there for that reason. At one time, there was a real concern that electronic gadgets could interfere with aircraft avionics, and for a brief period in the distant pass, that was a possibility, although it's not a problem today. The prohibition against recieving devices (radio's and hand-held TV's - remember those?) is really to keep the passengers in the dark about external world events during the flight. There is no regulation that prohibits receiving devices specifically. Try discussing that with the flight attendant. |
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Using electronic devices during take-off and landing
On 10/22/2011 02:39 AM, Fly Guy wrote:
Tom P wrote: What annoys me is being forbidden to turn on a GPS receiver in flight. I've never let any such rule stop me from using my GPS. Or my AM/FM radio. There's really no AM reception possible inside the plane, but I've listened to many FM stations while crusing at 35k feet. Most people (including FA's) can't tell the difference between an FM radio and an MP3 player (and some devices are MP3 and FM radios). AFA not being a threat, the question is, are devices certified as not being a threat? As long as there is no certification, that's the end of the story. The embargo on electronic devices during take-off and landing is bull****. We all know that prohibition is there to remove a possible source of interference or lack-of-attention between the crew and passengers in cases of emergency (which are more relavent during taxi/takeoff/landing than during other phases of the flight). I guess the theory goes that if you're playing with and focused on your electronic gadget in your lap, or if you're wearing headphones connected to your own audio device, then your attention will not be on the crew if they need you do to something or act quickly in an emergency situation. They don't really want to say that's the reason, so they invent this bogus bull**** reason that your electronic device will interfere with the control and navigation systems of the plane. They seem so anal about it that you wonder why they don't force you to take the battery out of your wrist watch for christ sakes. The prohibition against recieving devices (radio's and hand-held TV's - remember those?) is really to keep the passengers in the dark about external world events during the flight. You can keep better control of the cattle - er I mean the passengers - if they don't know and get worked up about what's happening elsewhere in the world. But I love using my GPS while on flights. It tells me if we're going into a holding pattern, or which runway we're lining up for, and gives me a good ETA to know if I've got to hussle for my connecting flight. I know what cities I'm passing over, and what actual route we're taking (is it a straight line? Frequently - no it's not). I agree - except that I have had an FA tell me to turn it off and no discussions allowed. |
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Cyberflying???
mag3 writes:
True, but at least it won't result in any pax. freakin' out in flight. It only takes one panicy passenger to start a frenzy. Actually, by definition a panicked passenger is a hysterical passenger, and unless other passengers are also prone to hysteria, the panic won't necessarily spread. Often the weird passenger will just be written off as a nut case by others. But it depends on the circumstances. Besides, isn't that only a 30 min. loop? On many aircraft, yes, although I think some of the more recent airliners can record for considerably longer. I think pax. who simply wanted to be "alpha-hotels" ;-) Hopefully there'd be some better informed passengers around to put them in their place. |
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Using electronic devices during take-off and landing
Tom P writes:
Try discussing that with the flight attendant. Flight attendants are often misinformed. I'm always happy to set a flight attendant straight if she or he misunderstands the regulations. Remember that FAs (and many other employees) are taught what they airline wants them to know, which may or may not be the truth. Unless they do research on their own, they may be blissfully ignorant of reality. |
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Using electronic devices during take-off and landing
Tom P writes:
I agree - except that I have had an FA tell me to turn it off and no discussions allowed. Discussion is always allowed, as long as you follow any safety-relevant instructions. |
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Cyberflying???
On Thu, 27 Oct 2011 01:16:33 +0200, Mxsmanic wrote:
Tom P writes: Try discussing that with the flight attendant. Flight attendants are often misinformed. I'm always happy to set a flight attendant straight if she or he misunderstands the regulations. Remember that FAs (and many other employees) are taught what they airline wants them to know, which may or may not be the truth. Unless they do research on their own, they may be blissfully ignorant of reality. Misinformed as they may be, they're still "in charge" on the aircraft, and can get you into some serious trouble with the authorities, air marhsalls, TSA etc. Since it's left up to them to determine violations of the "Interfering with a flight crew" law, I wouldn't mess with them. Just simply not worth the risk, even if you might actually get away with it. ____________________________________________ Regards, Arnold |
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Cyberflying???
On Thu, 27 Oct 2011 01:15:16 +0200, Mxsmanic wrote:
mag3 writes: I think pax. who simply wanted to be "alpha-hotels" ;-) Hopefully there'd be some better informed passengers around to put them in their place. Which, brings us back to the original issue... Those same "informed passengers" are more likely the ones to gripe about people using electronics below 10,000ft. :-) ____________________________________________ Regards, Arnold |
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Using electronic devices during take-off and landing
On 27/10/11 00:16, Mxsmanic wrote:
Tom P writes: Try discussing that with the flight attendant. Flight attendants are often misinformed. I'm always happy to set a flight attendant straight if she or he misunderstands the regulations. And when did you last do this? -- William Black Free men have open minds If you want loyalty, buy a dog... |
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Using electronic devices during take-off and landing
On Thu, 27 Oct 2011 12:39:33 +0100, William Black wrote:
On 27/10/11 00:16, Mxsmanic wrote: Tom P writes: Try discussing that with the flight attendant. Flight attendants are often misinformed. I'm always happy to set a flight attendant straight if she or he misunderstands the regulations. And when did you last do this? When his plane was forced to return to the gate with a load of unhappy travellers. |
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Using electronic devices during take-off and landing
"Mxsmanic" wrote in message ... Tom P writes: Try discussing that with the flight attendant. Flight attendants are often misinformed. I'm always happy to set a flight attendant straight if she or he misunderstands the regulations. When did this happen last, and where, bearing in mind that you haven't been outside Paris for the past 10 years? -- JohnT |
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