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Following up to Mxsmanic

Actually, maintenance of core temperature is important, irrespective
of external temperature.

so you wouldn't worry about frostbite, numbnuts?
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Following up to Hatunen

I was talking of freezing point, I've not known it humid below
that.

Even ice has a vapor pressure.

no idea what that means in terms of weather, I'm going by
experience.
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Following up to Tchiowa

OK, you choose to wilfully misunderstand my meaning,

???? Nonsense. Unfortunately for this conversation my psychic abilities
don't extend to Usenet so I have to respond to what people write not to
what they were thinking about when they wrote it.

The fact is that global warming is a completely natural phenomenon. Man
made Global Warming is a completely different topic. If you want to
talk about that then try to be specific.

you are proving you are willfully misunderstanding.

This is what happens when people let their politics color their view of
science.

Do you acknowledge *man* *made* global warming is happening and
is a problem? Yes or no?

I acknowledge that there are computer models to suggest that man is
contributing to a level of global warming that exceeds the normal
warming rate.

in at least partial denial then.
I repeat my original comment:-
"do you ever wonder why the worlds scientists think otherwise?"


Let's make it clear again: there is a difference between natural global
warming, which is proven scientific fact, and a potential man-made
component adding to that process, which is a different topic
altogether.

its the one we were and are discussing, over consumption, three
cars etc etc, remember?

nope, its the one we are discussing but the one you seek to avoid.

No. It is one that you were discussing in your own mind but didn't
bother to mention when you challenged my statement.

given that I since made it *blindingly* clear what I was talking
about, its clear your insistence on talking about something else
shows you either don't want to discuss the subject or are just
pretending to be thick. Non arsehole reaction would be along the
lines of "Oh, you meant that, in that case....".

If it is "yes" I congratulate you on starting to see the problems
of the future rather than fight yesterdays wars with what you
call "socialism".

I'm beginning to understand why you seem to be confused all the time in
your posts. Now you're combining the theory of man's contribution to
Global Warming with a discussion on economic theory and Socialism.
Unrelated topics.

No, *you* harp on about socialism. Not me. As I said, you are
fighting yesterdays battles.

Economic theory and warming are linked in that in a purely
capitalist system dependant on growth there is no mechanism to
accomodate the new reality of the priority of reducing emissions.
this was my original point. Carbon quotas will probably be part
of the way forward.
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Following up to Miguel Cruz

The amount of clothing required to maintain core temperature at the
below-freezing temperatures typical of densely-populated Europe, north
America, and east Asia does not make it practical to do most household
tasks or perform most work functions.

I don't think you mean typical, I think you mean worst? I know
I'm in a temperate island but I rarely wear more than a fleece in
winter, supplemented by a shell jacket if it gets wild in the
hills.
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"Mxsmanic" wrote in message
...
Dave Frightens Me writes:

Name a few such countries.

Essentially all of them: Singapore, India, Thailand, Nigeria, Saudi
Arabia, etc. They all have air conditioning. While the Third World
may still lag somewhat behind the most developed countries, it hasn't
been standing still.


Absolute cobblers

I lived in Singapore for a few months, while most businesses had
AC a large percentage of residential properties did not. Singapore
is very much a 1st world country by the way. They have the
highest ratio of college graduates per capita in the world IRC


Less than 5% of the population of India have AC, indeed in most villages
the electricity supply is inadequate for anything other than lighting

In Thailand the situation is somewhat similar, AC is fairly widespread
amongst the upper socio economic classes but not available for
the majority.

In Nigeria outside of foreign compounds and government offices
its almost unknown. Most Nigerians count themselves lucky
to have a transistor radio let alone AC


Note I have spent time in ALL these countries, you are clearly
clueless.

Keith

On Thu, 27 Jul 2006 01:13:19 +0200, Mxsmanic
wrote:

Dave Frightens Me writes:

Name a few such countries.

Essentially all of them: Singapore, India, Thailand, Nigeria, Saudi
Arabia, etc. They all have air conditioning.

You haven't been to any of them, have you?

It is correct. Removal of heat is far less important than the
insurance of warmth.

Actually, maintenance of core temperature is important, irrespective
of external temperature. However, it is much easier to keep core
temperature from dropping than it is to keep it from rising, since the
former requires only warm clothing, whereas the latter requires active
(and often external and mechanical) cooling. Also, whereas
hypothermia is potentially survivable in certain cases, hyperthermia
generally is not.

More people die from cold than hot.
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Miguel Cruz wrote:
Mxsmanic wrote:
Dave Frightens Me writes:
Name a few such countries.

Essentially all of them: Singapore, India, Thailand, Nigeria, Saudi
Arabia, etc. They all have air conditioning. While the Third World
may still lag somewhat behind the most developed countries, it hasn't
been standing still.

One key difference between us as we visit these observations of yours is
that I have been to these places and you have not. And time and time
again it is clear that you are talking out of your ass.

I'm not aware of any dirt hut tradition in southeast Asia, but in any
case I can assure you that Saudi Arabia is the only one where you could
all air conditioning a necessity. I don't think many people disagree
with the contention that Saudi Arabia is only habitable at its current
density thanks to the ready availability of low-cost energy, and is thus
really only populated beyond desert nomads and coastal settlements as

I just got back last Thursday from two weeks working in Thailand. I
visited about a dozen offices (not multinational corporations but local
outfits), stayed in a couple hotels, and ate in 10 or 15 different
restaurants.

None of the offices was air-conditioned. By none I mean zero. They were
full of people and computers and we had meetings and worked on the
computers by the refreshing air of fans. Many of these computers were 8
or 9 years old and still humming along fine. All of the people were even
older than that and likewise still humming along fine.

Come on, Miguel. Where in Thailand are these offices? I live and work
in Thailand and *EVERYTHING* (at least in Bangkok) is air-conditioned.
Every office, every apartment, every shopping mall. OK, maybe not
"every". 95%. Or more.

On 26 Jul 2006 23:49:26 -0700, "Tchiowa" wrote:


Dave Frightens Me wrote:
On Wed, 26 Jul 2006 23:18:12 +0200, Mxsmanic
wrote:

Keith W writes:

30 deg and 32% humidity isnt extreme, they regard such conditions
as positively chilly in the Far East

It's difficult to even sleep in such conditions, and in the Far East,
they have air conditioning, like everywhere else.

No, they don't. Go there, and you will see.

I live in Thailand. Does this mean I have to go yank the
air-conditioning out of my Bangkok apartment? How about the window unit
in my house up country? Did that stop working magically over night?

Or do you not know what you're talking about?

Air con is generally reserved for ex-pats in Thailand.
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The Reid wrote:
Following up to Tchiowa

OK, you choose to wilfully misunderstand my meaning,

???? Nonsense. Unfortunately for this conversation my psychic abilities
don't extend to Usenet so I have to respond to what people write not to
what they were thinking about when they wrote it.

The fact is that global warming is a completely natural phenomenon. Man
made Global Warming is a completely different topic. If you want to
talk about that then try to be specific.

you are proving you are willfully misunderstanding.

You're proving that you don't understand just about anything, willfully
or otherwise. All you have to do is to acknowledge that you misspoke
and go on from there.

This is what happens when people let their politics color their view of
science.

Which you just demonstrated again.

Do you acknowledge *man* *made* global warming is happening and
is a problem? Yes or no?

I acknowledge that there are computer models to suggest that man is
contributing to a level of global warming that exceeds the normal
warming rate.

in at least partial denial then.
I repeat my original comment:-
"do you ever wonder why the worlds scientists think otherwise?"

And in this case your comment is just as wrong. What I wrote is pretty
much the consensus of the world's scientists.

Let's make it clear again: there is a difference between natural global
warming, which is proven scientific fact, and a potential man-made
component adding to that process, which is a different topic
altogether.

its the one we were and are discussing, over consumption, three
cars etc etc, remember?

nope, its the one we are discussing but the one you seek to avoid.

No. It is one that you were discussing in your own mind but didn't
bother to mention when you challenged my statement.

given that I since made it *blindingly* clear what I was talking about,

Only in your own mind.

its clear your insistence on talking about something else
shows you either don't want to discuss the subject or are just
pretending to be thick. Non arsehole reaction would be along the
lines of "Oh, you meant that, in that case....".

Be specific and you'll get that kind of reaction. Your demand that you
be declared right even though you are clearly wrong is kind of
childish. Kind of like the name-calling you seem so fond of.

If it is "yes" I congratulate you on starting to see the problems
of the future rather than fight yesterdays wars with what you
call "socialism".

I'm beginning to understand why you seem to be confused all the time in
your posts. Now you're combining the theory of man's contribution to
Global Warming with a discussion on economic theory and Socialism.
Unrelated topics.

No, *you* harp on about socialism. Not me. As I said, you are
fighting yesterdays battles.

"Yesterday's battles"??? There was a discussion about medical care
*TODAY*, economic policy *TODAY*, etc. Those are today's discussions.
People like you are still trying to cling to an economic philosophy
that failed.

Economic theory and warming are linked in that in a purely
capitalist system dependant on growth there is no mechanism to
accomodate the new reality of the priority of reducing emissions.
this was my original point.

I guess you need to learn what Capitalism means before you continue to
make comments. Capitalism has exactly zero do with mechanisms to
accomodate new realities.

Or are you talking about some other form of Capitalism that you forgot
to specify and are assuming that people here can read you mind?

Keith W wrote:
"Mxsmanic" wrote in message
...
Dave Frightens Me writes:

Name a few such countries.

Essentially all of them: Singapore, India, Thailand, Nigeria, Saudi
Arabia, etc. They all have air conditioning. While the Third World
may still lag somewhat behind the most developed countries, it hasn't
been standing still.


Absolute cobblers

I lived in Singapore for a few months, while most businesses had
AC a large percentage of residential properties did not. Singapore
is very much a 1st world country by the way. They have the
highest ratio of college graduates per capita in the world IRC

I've been in a dozen residential flats in Singapore and all had A/C.

Less than 5% of the population of India have AC, indeed in most villages
the electricity supply is inadequate for anything other than lighting

True.

In Thailand the situation is somewhat similar, AC is fairly widespread
amongst the upper socio economic classes but not available for
the majority.

Blithering nonsense. I live in Thailand. A/C is not commonly used in
farming areas because the houses aren't sufficiently well-insulated.
But during the hottest times of the year the locals complain about
difficulty sleeping.

The majority of people in Thailand have A/C available. Whether they
choose to buy it or not is a different story. In Bangkok probably 95%
of the middle class has A/C and half of the poor.

In Nigeria outside of foreign compounds and government offices
its almost unknown. Most Nigerians count themselves lucky
to have a transistor radio let alone AC

I've lived in Nigeria for 2-3 years total. Again, in the rural areas
where there is no A/C you're right. But in Lagos or Abuja or PH A/C is
not at all uncommon. And your comment about radios is kind of silly.
Maybe 20 years ago.

Note I have spent time in ALL these countries, you are clearly
clueless.

Keith