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Old September 25th, 2003, 10:05 AM
Usuario Invitado
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Please, help me in that question:

Suppose that I am flying Madrid-Milan-Athens, and return
Athens-Milan-Madrid with a low-price ticket, which does not allow any
change or cancellation.

If in the return trip I do not use the ticket from Athens to Milan,
because I arrive to Milan by another mean, does the airline
automatically cancel my ticket Milan-Madrid? This is what my travel
agent claims, since according to the company, if I miss the first
flight, I cannot take the second connection…

If that’s right, I imagine following trick:

A friend, who will fly the same schedule Athens-Milan-Madrid, would make
the check-in in Athens for me and for himself (I would give him an ID),
and get my boarding passes for the two flights. Then I would not take
the first flight in Athens (obviously I would be already in Milan).We
would meet in Milan and my friend would give me the boarding card for
the flight Milan-Madrid, and I would take the plane.
Would in this instance the airline cancel my second boarding card,
because I did not use the first one?

Well, I would appreciate any enlightenment on that subject.

Thanks in advance.

JB


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Old September 25th, 2003, 10:31 AM
Mark Hewitt
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"Usuario Invitado" wrote in message
...
Please, help me in that question:

If in the return trip I do not use the ticket from Athens to Milan,
because I arrive to Milan by another mean, does the airline
automatically cancel my ticket Milan-Madrid?


Yes.. Unless (theres always an unless) you are flying with a low cost
carrier or your Milan-Madrid ticket is booked entirely seperately from your
Athens-Milan ticket

This is what my travel
agent claims, since according to the company, if I miss the first
flight, I cannot take the second connection.


It's called hidden city ticketing I believe. Not permitted.

If that's right, I imagine following trick:

A friend, who will fly the same schedule Athens-Milan-Madrid, would make
the check-in in Athens for me and for himself (I would give him an ID),
and get my boarding passes for the two flights.


How would he make the checkin for you and himself? The checking agent will
want to see you in person, not just your ID!

Then I would not take
the first flight in Athens (obviously I would be already in Milan).We
would meet in Milan and my friend would give me the boarding card for
the flight Milan-Madrid


He wouldn't be able to obtain the boarding card, you have to be there in
person, with your ID.

and I would take the plane.
Would in this instance the airline cancel my second boarding card,
because I did not use the first one?


Yes. But anyway, you wouldn't be able to get a boarding card.

Well, I would appreciate any enlightenment on that subject.


My advice would be to book your segments seperately. Book Madrid-Milan
return on one ticket, then book Athens-Milan on another ticket, and if
necessary don't use the return portion of that. You will not be able to have
your baggage checked through or get boarding passes at your origin so make
sure you leave enough time for your connection.


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Old September 25th, 2003, 10:33 AM
Thur
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"Usuario Invitado" wrote s...
Suppose that I am flying Madrid-Milan-Athens, and return
Athens-Milan-Madrid with a low-price ticket, which does not allow any
change or cancellation.
If in the return trip I do not use the ticket from Athens to Milan,
because I arrive to Milan by another mean, does the airline
automatically cancel my ticket Milan-Madrid?


Yes.

If that's right, I imagine following trick:
A friend, who will fly the same schedule Athens-Milan-Madrid, would make
the check-in in Athens for me and for himself (I would give him an ID),
and get my boarding passes for the two flights.


Doubtful he can get you checked in, because they'll have to see the one who
is travelling in person and make sure the name matches the holder of the
passport. So just for security reasons that would probably not be possible.
Greetz,

*your travelagent was right*


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Old September 25th, 2003, 12:08 PM
Lennart Petersen
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"Usuario Invitado" skrev i meddelandet
...
Please, help me in that question:

Suppose that I am flying Madrid-Milan-Athens, and return
Athens-Milan-Madrid with a low-price ticket, which does not allow any
change or cancellation.

If in the return trip I do not use the ticket from Athens to Milan,
because I arrive to Milan by another mean, does the airline
automatically cancel my ticket Milan-Madrid? This is what my travel
agent claims, since according to the company, if I miss the first
flight, I cannot take the second connection.

Right, the coupons in a ticket must be used in the order they're issued
otherwise the remaining coupons are automatically cancelled.
Technically you can drop the last leg and coupon/coupons in a trip without
problems but not the first nor anything in the mid.

If that's right, I imagine following trick:

A friend, who will fly the same schedule Athens-Milan-Madrid, would make
the check-in in Athens for me and for himself (I would give him an ID),
and get my boarding passes for the two flights. Then I would not take
the first flight in Athens (obviously I would be already in Milan).We
would meet in Milan and my friend would give me the boarding card for
the flight Milan-Madrid, and I would take the plane.
Would in this instance the airline cancel my second boarding card,
because I did not use the first one?

--------------------------------------------------------
Assuming your friend is checking in twice ? First himself and another time
with your id ? May work if have an outlook similar to you but there's
another check when boarding and no doubt one passenger must be reported
missing wich should trigger the security system. It's not unlikely they'll
unload the luggage and so on. When the identity of the missing person is
found it's quite likely that the missing persons booking is cancelled.
That said if the check in works, but if your friend is being caught with a
not valid id he have a real problem once again triggering security even
more.
Don't know so much of Greek legislation but I guess using another persons
identity is against the law. Where I'm (Sweden) there're harsh punishments
against such things so don't force your friend to do that trick.
L.P














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Old September 25th, 2003, 04:48 PM
Peter L
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Sorry don't work. You can't get a boarding pass without actually being
there in person. Just the id won't work. And even if your friend does get
your boarding pass, you'll actually have to board, otherwise the airline
will show one person not boarding.

"Usuario Invitado" wrote in message
...
Please, help me in that question:

Suppose that I am flying Madrid-Milan-Athens, and return
Athens-Milan-Madrid with a low-price ticket, which does not allow any
change or cancellation.

If in the return trip I do not use the ticket from Athens to Milan,
because I arrive to Milan by another mean, does the airline
automatically cancel my ticket Milan-Madrid? This is what my travel
agent claims, since according to the company, if I miss the first
flight, I cannot take the second connection.

If that's right, I imagine following trick:

A friend, who will fly the same schedule Athens-Milan-Madrid, would make
the check-in in Athens for me and for himself (I would give him an ID),
and get my boarding passes for the two flights. Then I would not take
the first flight in Athens (obviously I would be already in Milan).We
would meet in Milan and my friend would give me the boarding card for
the flight Milan-Madrid, and I would take the plane.
Would in this instance the airline cancel my second boarding card,
because I did not use the first one?

Well, I would appreciate any enlightenment on that subject.

Thanks in advance.

JB




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Old September 25th, 2003, 06:02 PM
Binyamin Dissen
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On Thu, 25 Sep 2003 11:05:59 +0200 Usuario Invitado
wrote:

:Suppose that I am flying Madrid-Milan-Athens, and return
:Athens-Milan-Madrid with a low-price ticket, which does not allow any
:change or cancellation.

:If in the return trip I do not use the ticket from Athens to Milan,
:because I arrive to Milan by another mean, does the airline
:automatically cancel my ticket Milan-Madrid? This is what my travel
:agent claims, since according to the company, if I miss the first
:flight, I cannot take the second connection…

Typically that is true.

:If that’s right, I imagine following trick:

:A friend, who will fly the same schedule Athens-Milan-Madrid, would make
:the check-in in Athens for me and for himself (I would give him an ID),
:and get my boarding passes for the two flights. Then I would not take
:the first flight in Athens (obviously I would be already in Milan).We
:would meet in Milan and my friend would give me the boarding card for
:the flight Milan-Madrid, and I would take the plane.
:Would in this instance the airline cancel my second boarding card,
:because I did not use the first one?

Assuming that your friend looks enough like you this should work. Would you be
able to manage a few days without your ID?

To the various airline toadies - no, I do not have an ethical problem with
using just part of a purchased service.

--
Binyamin Dissen
http://www.dissensoftware.com
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Old September 25th, 2003, 06:33 PM
Peter L
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"Binyamin Dissen" wrote in message
...
On Thu, 25 Sep 2003 11:05:59 +0200 Usuario Invitado


wrote:

:Suppose that I am flying Madrid-Milan-Athens, and return
:Athens-Milan-Madrid with a low-price ticket, which does not allow any
:change or cancellation.

:If in the return trip I do not use the ticket from Athens to Milan,
:because I arrive to Milan by another mean, does the airline
:automatically cancel my ticket Milan-Madrid? This is what my travel
:agent claims, since according to the company, if I miss the first
:flight, I cannot take the second connection.

Typically that is true.

:If that's right, I imagine following trick:

:A friend, who will fly the same schedule Athens-Milan-Madrid, would make
:the check-in in Athens for me and for himself (I would give him an ID),
:and get my boarding passes for the two flights. Then I would not take
:the first flight in Athens (obviously I would be already in Milan).We
:would meet in Milan and my friend would give me the boarding card for
:the flight Milan-Madrid, and I would take the plane.
:Would in this instance the airline cancel my second boarding card,
:because I did not use the first one?

Assuming that your friend looks enough like you this should work. Would

you be
able to manage a few days without your ID?


See that the OP is talking about international travel, we are probably
talking passport as an ID. I wonder how the OP is planning to use his
passport to go from Greece to Italy and yet have another passport for his
friend to use to get the boarding pass.


To the various airline toadies - no, I do not have an ethical problem with
using just part of a purchased service.

--
Binyamin Dissen
http://www.dissensoftware.com



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Old September 25th, 2003, 06:41 PM
Not the Karl Orff
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Default PLS HELP: use of tickets with connection

In article ,
"Peter L" wrote:


See that the OP is talking about international travel, we are probably
talking passport as an ID. I wonder how the OP is planning to use his
passport to go from Greece to Italy and yet have another passport for his
friend to use to get the boarding pass.


both are Schengen treaty countries IIRC. No need for immigration
procedures
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Old September 25th, 2003, 06:53 PM
Hatunen
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On Thu, 25 Sep 2003 18:40:07 +0000 (UTC), "Derek F"
wrote:

And when they did their head count on the plane there would be a missing
passenger.


A missing passenger tends to get an airline very excited. They'll
hold up the plane while they check all the luggage to see if the
missing person checked any luggage and left it for on the plane,
for instance. If it was a through flight making a stop at the
airport tthey may empty the plane and look for any mystery
packages in the overheads and under the seats.

The TV program "Airport", chronicling day to day operations at
Heathrow, had a somewhat nerve-wracking sequence about a missing
passenger who was finally located.


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Old September 25th, 2003, 06:54 PM
mrtravel
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Default PLS HELP: use of tickets with connection



Not the Karl Orff wrote:
In article ,
"Peter L" wrote:



See that the OP is talking about international travel, we are probably
talking passport as an ID. I wonder how the OP is planning to use his
passport to go from Greece to Italy and yet have another passport for his
friend to use to get the boarding pass.



both are Schengen treaty countries IIRC. No need for immigration
procedures


But, they will probably notice that he is not on the plane.

 




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