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Icono Clast wrote: the Idiot in the White House my disgust at your referring to the President as an "idiot" How would you characterize him? on a forum that is read internationally. On a public forum that is read internationally, I would characterize him as being a disappointment If that works for you, fine. But he's not been a disappointment to me. He has surpassed my expectations. You have no idea how much I wish he had been an extreme disappointment. I would not name-call, gloat, or go digging for old dirt for personal satisfaction........ I wouldn't, and think I don't, gloat. Years ago I wrote a post explaining that it's incumbent upon us citizens of the USA to demonstrate to those in other countries that we really do have the rights our Constitution says we do. There are other constitutions around the world that have the words but not the effect. Phooey!!!!!! Here's one of several: From: Icono Clast Date: 27 September 1999 Subject: Six Flags over Texas Gay Day. Newsgroups: rec.roller-coaster Parklinks wrote: Chris Kearsing wrote: Until they get butt raped by the priests who haven't had sex in 40 years. Funny, Chris, how other people's bigotry and hate speech are bigotry and hate speech, but your bigotry and hate speech is protected free speech... Read The Constitution! It's all protected speech. In fact, the more offensive it is, the more bigoted it is, the more hateful it is, the stronger the protection provided by the First Amendment! All proper thinking people should frequently bow down to thank the Founding Fathers for the Bill of Rights and the independent judiciary that has done more than just about anything to make this country, even with all the things wrong with it, the great place it is today. Try having an ICQ conversation with someone who lives in Malaysia or China or other such countries. They will say to you that they are afraid to talk about certain things, answer certain questions. Cold War joke: Citizen of USA says to USSR citizen "We have the right to criticize our president". Soviet citizen replies: "So do we have the right to criticize your president". ### -- Posted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com |
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On Oct 27, 4:00?am, Icono Clast wrote:
At the time of the Cedar Fire, I think, someone posted that the Idiot in the White House had withdrawn expenditures to clear brush that might have reduced the severity of that fire. I couldn't find the post but I found some other stuff. The words might've been written a few years ago but . . . Here are some excerpts from relevant articles: http://www.pe.com/breakingnews/local...cal_fund16.ecb... CALIFORNIA OFFICIALS SAY BUSH IGNORED FIRE DANGER OCTOBER 31, 2003 -- SACRAMENTO, CA: Ousted California Gov. Gray Davis and state legislators are accusing the Bush administration of ignoring urgent pleas made months ago for emergency funding to clear beetle-killed trees that experts warned could fuel a catastrophic southern California fire. In April, Davis requested $430 million to reduce fuels on 415,000 acres of forest, but the request for emergency funds went unanswered until last week -- and then was denied. "There was a reason the governor requested the declaration," said Davis staffer Steve Maviglio. "And I'm sure there are a lot of families without homes that are disappointed it wasn't approved." The San Francisco Chronicle reported that Sen. Barbara Boxer yesterday complained that President Bush had failed to act on the state's request for help and that now Californians were suffering. "We named three of the four counties that are up in smoke, and we begged him to declare a disaster, we begged him," she said. "We saw this coming a mile away." FIRESTORMS IN SOUTHERN CALIFORNIA OCTOBER 30, 2003 -- LAKE ARROWHEAD, CA: Firefighters are struggling to save emptied-out resort towns in the San Bernardino Mountains, with 200-foot walls of fire washing over stands of drought-ravaged bug-killed trees, stoked by Santa Ana winds from the desert to the east. 10:36 PM PDT on Saturday, May 15, 2004 By CLAIRE VITUCCI / Washington Bureau . . . At a congressional hearing in Washington last week, Bruce Turbeville, chairman of the California Fire Safe Council, complained that local communities had submitted 393 requests for grants worth $49 million to clear brush, but received only $7 million . . . John Twiss, an assistant to Agriculture Undersecretary Mark Rey, said the Forest Service is shifting funds from private and state lands to federal lands that are adjacent to private, state and county property to protect neighboring communities . . . Meanwhile, Pollema said she's been scouring the Internet for grant possibilities and said the community is likely going to have to start holding fund-raisers. http://www.pe.com/localnews/opinion/...PE_OpEd_Opinio... Parched for fire help . . . Federal officials have earmarked no disaster money for tree and brush removal in the forest, though forest officials have $5 million in other funding secured by Rep. Jerry Lewis, R-Redlands. That is enough to tend about 2,000 acres of the roughly 672,000-acre forest . . . http://www.wildfirenews.com/archive/120103.shtml DOES SAN DIEGO COUNTY NEED A FIRE DEPARTMENT? DECEMBER 01, 2003 -- SAN DIEGO, CA: San Diego County, which for decades has been the only large California county without its own fire department, is rethinking that position in the aftermath of the Cedar Fire . . . November 26, 2003 . . . The fire-charred hills look like graveyards of gnarled limbs and blackened dirt. "The soils in southern California are very erosive," says Matt Mathes with the U.S. Forest Service. "They fall down the slopes even naturally, and when they get a lot of water on them, they tend to erode very readily in the best of times. With the vegetation burned away, there's nothing to hold the soil" . . . CALIFORNIA FIRE LOSSES OVER $2 BILLION NOVEMBER 19, 2003 -- SAN DIEGO, CA: Early estimates of $2 billion in property damage have been verified by industry sources, according to a North County Times report; the Cedar Fire in San Diego County and the Old Fire near San Bernardino together accounted for at least 3,300 burned structures. The figures don't include all of the fire damage in San Diego County, nor are fires in Los Angeles and Ventura counties included in the estimate. Some sources said the figure could run $2.5 billion to as much as $3 billion in insured losses; Robert Hartwig, chief economist of the Insurance Information Institute, also has pegged the insured losses for the two fires at $2.04 billion, and has said the number could rise to $2.3 billion. Nearly 13,000 claims for damage have been filed, and the policies represent a total coverage limit of just under $3.5 billion. Other disasters in California have cost more. The insured loss for the Northridge earthquake in 1994 exceeded $12 billion, six times the estimate for the Cedar and Old fires. As California fires go, the champion for damage remains the blaze that engulfed San Francisco after the 1906 earthquake. Total damage estimates for the San Francisco fire approach $6 billion after adjusting for a century of inflation, but most of that loss was uninsured. RUIDOSO: THINGS LOOK DIFFERENT HERE NOVEMBER 17, 2003 -- RUIDOSO, NM: . . . Homeowners and builders are increasingly being told to protect themselves. Building codes are being changed to require more fire-resistant construction materials, and insurance companies are encouraging policyholders to make homes safer or risk losing coverage. But few communities have taken as comprehensive an approach as Ruidoso. Two years ago the U.S. Forest Service designated the town as the second-most-vulnerable community in the nation, based on forest density and the mingling of homes and wildland. The village has focused on public education and warning systems; emergency evacuation routes are well marked with signs, and a "reverse 911" telephone warning system can automatically notify hundreds of residents in just minutes. New construction must adhere to a code requiring good access for fire equipment, adequate water for firefighting, and fire-resistant building materials. Most important, Ruidoso crafted a comprehensive plan to thin forests on its outskirts and on private land within town. SAN DIEGO FLOODING FIXES IN THE WORKS NOVEMBER 15, 2003 -- SAN DIEGO, CA: Erosion control experts from local, state, and federal government agencies, along with a host of volunteer workers, are preparing for mudslides and flooding after the fires. The potential for heavier-than-usual runoff from rocky slopes has had dozens of specialists out in the burned areas figuring how to keep what's left from washing away. The Cedar and Paradise Fires stripped many slopes of vegetation, and twice as much storm water than normal could end up flowing down hillsides. RESIDENTS WARNED ABOUT FLOODING NOVEMBER, 2003 -- SUMMIT VALLEY, CA: As the residents who were evacuated from the area of the Old Fire return to their homes and resume their lives, federal and county officials are warning about the possibility of mudslides and flooding . . . THIS PLACE CALLED SOUTH OPS NOVEMBER, 2003 -- SAN BERNARDINO While turf battles and minor spitfights are still common, it's a lot better than it was in 1961. That year, a firestorm swept through Bel Air and Brentwood and destroyed more than 2,000 homes. The chaos that year showed that fire agencies were working at cross purposes. From: Icono Clast Date: Sat, 03 Sep 2005 03:16:05 -0700 Subject: Four questions for Mr Bush Last week, I thought I couldn't possibly think less of that despicably arrogant and incompetent son of Connecticut aristocracy. This week, I'm seething to a self-damaging obsession. When Governor George Wallace was shot, I had to force myself to say "That's no way to do politics". Well, it might now be a way to help save the people of Iraq, New Orleans, the USA, and the planet. Pat Roberson? Are you there? What does "Take Him Out" mean? What I mean is get him out of office any way necessary. From: Icono Clast Date: Fri, 09 Sep 2005 04:31:03 Subject: OT: Political wrote: So, is this whole thing going to be blamed on the Governor because it will be argued that "I need everything you have got" was not a "specific" enough request? That's virtually identical to my hypothetical Presidential order: "Get down there to do anything you can with everything you have". John Wheaton wrote: From CNN Producer Mike M. Ahlers Saturday, September 3, 2005; Posted: 6:09 a.m. EDT (10:09 GMT) WASHINGTON (CNN) -- Nine stockpiles of fire-and-rescue equipment strategically placed around the country to be used in the event of a catastrophe still have not been pressed into service in New Orleans, five days after Hurricane Katrina, CNN has learned. Responding to a CNN inquiry, Department of Homeland Security spokesman Marc Short said Friday the gear has not been moved because none of the governors in the hurricane-ravaged area has requested it. Where the **** is the humanity?!? You need ORDERS to go save lives?!? http://www.cnn.com/2005/WEATHER/09/0...ear/index.html -- Posted via a free Usenet account fromhttp://www.teranews.com Setting aside President Bush, the response of California government at all levels has been quite good. Democrats and Republicans at state and local levelsfunctioned together to expedite resource availability, and our terrific and brave firefighters worked (and are still working) tirelessly to fight the blazes. Comparisons to Katrina are grossly unfair, as the scope of that disaster was far greater. Nonetheless, in this case, California government has worked, and worked well, so far. David Koppelman |
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On Sat, 27 Oct 2007 14:55:27 -0700, memiki
wrote: On Oct 27, 4:00 am, Icono Clast wrote: At the time of the Cedar Fire, I think, someone posted that the Idiot in the White House had withdrawn expenditures to clear brush that might have reduced the severity of that fire. I couldn't find the post but I found some other stuff. The words might've been written a few years ago but . . . Ike -- I tried to ignore your post without a response but, as you can see, I was not successful. I am not here to argue the articles you dragged up or the mentality, character or deeds of President Bush -- just to express my disgust at your referring to the President as an "idiot" on a forum that is read internationally. Are you thinking that perhaps the feeling that Bush is an "idiot" isn't a feeling in other countires? -- ************* DAVE HATUNEN ) ************* * Tucson Arizona, out where the cacti grow * * My typos & mispellings are intentional copyright traps * |
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On Sun, 28 Oct 2007 05:06:03 -0800, Icono Clast
wrote: memiki wrote: [In 1961] methinks most, if not all, insurance companies covering BelAir property stipulated in order to be covered the homes had to be rebuilt on the same property....so there was not much of a choice. I don't know if this policy is still in effect Let's hope not. Those who suffered loss who are not permitted to rebuild will lose the value of their lot. The lot might be worth nothing today but could've been worth a fortune yesterday. 'Tis truly a tragedy. On the other hand, it is hard to feel a great deal of sympathy for those who build on the banks of rivers and lose their shirts when the river floods, and it is hard to feel sorry for those who build wooden houses on hillsides of the type that have a long history of catching fire. In either case any fool should know that it is a case of not "if", but "when". -- ************* DAVE HATUNEN ) ************* * Tucson Arizona, out where the cacti grow * * My typos & mispellings are intentional copyright traps * |
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Icono Clast wrote:
At the time of the Cedar Fire, I think, someone posted that the Idiot in the White House........ Miki replied: Ike -- I tried to ignore your post without a response but, as you can see, I was not successful. I am not here to argue the articles you dragged up or the mentality, character or deeds of President Bush -- just to express my disgust at your referring to the President as an "idiot" on a forum that is read internationally. Ike replied: How would you characterize him? on a forum that is read internationally. Miki replied: On a public forum that is read internationally, I would characterize him as being a disappointment and that I disagree with how he has handled some issues......... I would not name-call, gloat, or go digging for old dirt for personal satisfaction. Ike replied: I wouldn't, and think I don't, gloat. If that works for you, fine. But he's not been a disappointment to me. He has surpassed my expectations......... You have no idea how much I wish he had been an extreme disappointment. I wouldn't, and think I don't, gloat Miki replied: You live to gloat..........from Webster's: to observe or think about something with triumphant and often malicious satisfaction, gratification, or delight-gloat over an enemy's misfortune. Why are you digging up all those old posts? Are they worth having a second, maybe third time around.? Miki the Idiot in the White House my disgust at your referring to the President as an "idiot" How would you characterize him? on a forum that is read internationally. On a public forum that is read internationally, I would characterize him as being a disappointment I would not name-call, gloat, or go digging for old dirt for personal satisfaction........ If that works for you, fine. But he's not been a disappointment to me. He has surpassed my expectations. You have no idea how much I wish he had been an extreme disappointment. I wouldn't, and think I don't, gloat. |
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On Oct 29, 11:30 pm, Hatunen wrote:
On Sun, 28 Oct 2007 05:06:03 -0800, Icono Clast wrote: memiki wrote: [In 1961] methinks most, if not all, insurance companies covering BelAir property stipulated in order to be covered the homes had to be rebuilt on the same property....so there was not much of a choice. I don't know if this policy is still in effect Let's hope not. Those who suffered loss who are not permitted to rebuild will lose the value of their lot. The lot might be worth nothing today but could've been worth a fortune yesterday. 'Tis truly a tragedy. On the other hand, it is hard to feel a great deal of sympathy for those who build on the banks of rivers and lose their shirts when the river floods, and it is hard to feel sorry for those who build wooden houses on hillsides of the type that have a long history of catching fire. In either case any fool should know that it is a case of not "if", but "when". On the other hand, I DON'T find it hard to feel a great deal of sympathy for those "fools" who have lost their homes and personal property. On the other hand, any "fool should know that it is a case of not "if", but "when" every day of his/her life. Miki |
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This post looks like a forgery, Miki. Is it?
memiki wrote: Icono Clast wrote: At the time of the Cedar Fire, I think, someone posted that the Idiot in the White House........ Miki replied: Ike -- I tried to ignore your post without a response but, as you can see, I was not successful. I am not here to argue the articles you dragged up or the mentality, character or deeds of President Bush -- just to express my disgust at your referring to the President as an "idiot" on a forum that is read internationally. Ike replied: How would you characterize him? on a forum that is read internationally. Miki replied: On a public forum that is read internationally, I would characterize him as being a disappointment and that I disagree with how he has handled some issues......... I would not name-call, gloat, or go digging for old dirt for personal satisfaction. Ike replied: I wouldn't, and think I don't, gloat. If that works for you, fine. But he's not been a disappointment to me. He has surpassed my expectations......... You have no idea how much I wish he had been an extreme disappointment. I wouldn't, and think I don't, gloat Miki replied: You live to gloat..........from Webster's: to observe or think about something with triumphant and often malicious satisfaction, gratification, or delight-gloat over an enemy's misfortune. Why are you digging up all those old posts? Are they worth having a second, maybe third time around.? Miki the Idiot in the White House my disgust at your referring to the President as an "idiot" How would you characterize him? on a forum that is read internationally. On a public forum that is read internationally, I would characterize him as being a disappointment I would not name-call, gloat, or go digging for old dirt for personal satisfaction........ If that works for you, fine. But he's not been a disappointment to me. He has surpassed my expectations. You have no idea how much I wish he had been an extreme disappointment. I wouldn't, and think I don't, gloat. -- Posted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com |
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On Oct 29, 11:30?pm, Hatunen wrote:
On Sun, 28 Oct 2007 05:06:03 -0800, Icono Clast wrote: memiki wrote: [In 1961] methinks most, if not all, insurance companies covering BelAir property stipulated in order to be covered the homes had to be rebuilt on the same property....so there was not much of a choice. I don't know if this policy is still in effect Let's hope not. Those who suffered loss who are not permitted to rebuild will lose the value of their lot. The lot might be worth nothing today but could've been worth a fortune yesterday. 'Tis truly a tragedy. On the other hand, it is hard to feel a great deal of sympathy for those who build on the banks of rivers and lose their shirts when the river floods, and it is hard to feel sorry for those who build wooden houses on hillsides of the type that have a long history of catching fire. In either case any fool should know that it is a case of not "if", but "when". -- ************* DAVE HATUNEN ) ************* * Tucson Arizona, out where the cacti grow * * My typos & mispellings are intentional copyright traps * One can have human sympathy for people whose homes are destroyed while still opposing governmental subsidies to people seeking to build, or rebuild, homes in high fire areas or flood plains. It is just a matter of simple human decency. |
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On Tue, 30 Oct 2007 11:45:30 -0500, "Frank F. Matthews"
wrote: Hatunen wrote: On Sun, 28 Oct 2007 05:06:03 -0800, Icono Clast wrote: memiki wrote: [In 1961] methinks most, if not all, insurance companies covering BelAir property stipulated in order to be covered the homes had to be rebuilt on the same property....so there was not much of a choice. I don't know if this policy is still in effect Let's hope not. Those who suffered loss who are not permitted to rebuild will lose the value of their lot. The lot might be worth nothing today but could've been worth a fortune yesterday. 'Tis truly a tragedy. On the other hand, it is hard to feel a great deal of sympathy for those who build on the banks of rivers and lose their shirts when the river floods, and it is hard to feel sorry for those who build wooden houses on hillsides of the type that have a long history of catching fire. In either case any fool should know that it is a case of not "if", but "when". However, it is also not unreasonable to describe as an idiot an administrator who cuts funding for brush clearance projects. There are lots of idiots involved. Unfortunately one of them runs (perhaps) the executive branch of our government. You raise an interesting philosophical point: should the government, and the taxpayer, supply protection for those who foolishly choose to live in hazardous locations, or is it their own responsibility? Should you and I pay for the improvement of the levees at New Orleans in order that the people can move back to await the next time? Should you and I pay for brush clearance programs in areas of (largely expensive) homes built among the trees and brush of notoriously combustible California hillsides? And what shall you and I do for those that survived when the denuded hillsides begin to slide downhill after the rains, as they also notoriously do? -- ************* DAVE HATUNEN ) ************* * Tucson Arizona, out where the cacti grow * * My typos & mispellings are intentional copyright traps * |
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