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"Alan S" wrote in message ... On Wed, 14 Nov 2007 17:23:27 -0600, .. wrote: Janet, did you take a flight from your nearest airport to either one of: DFW/SAT or IAH then to LAX and then a direct flight to ? [SYD]. This would make it an extremely long trip. I never have done it i.e. But the direct flights are much better than years ago. When Continental used to fly the route, their route was LAX to Honolulu to Auckland then to Sydney/return same. At that time, other airlines went via Honolulu, Rarotonga or Tahiti. Cath In '67 I went SYD-NAD-HNL-SFO in a 707. On the ground for re-fuelling at both Nadi and Honolulu. Returned the same way. In '03 SYD-LAX was direct 13 hours. I prefered the broken reverse trip in '06, LAX-HNL, three days in Waikiki, then ten hours in daylight HNL-SYD. But if you use that one, make sure you fly Qantas, not Jetstar. Same route and timing but different carrier on different days of the week. Cheers, Alan, Australia -- http://loraltravel.blogspot.com/ latest: Slovenia http://loraltraveloz.blogspot.com/ latest: Mossman Gorge in the Daintree Rainforest PanAm in the 1980's did both the Sydney / Auckland / Hnl / SFO route and the Sydney / LAX direct routes. |
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On Fri, 16 Nov 2007 09:39:08 +0900, wrote in
: On Wed, 14 Nov 2007 00:00:21 GMT, kangaroo16 wrote: sNIP sNIP Snip..... the attention of customs officers. After all, a lot of things could be hidden in a jar of opaque black Vegemite. :-) Not sure that it is that much of a "secret" either. From memory, British "Marmite" is very similar, and think it was invented first. However, easily checked. AFAIK Marmite is a "Beef" product, not from yeast like Vegemite Well, you know me, Alan, I like to be accurate, so am pleased to actually check ingredients as well as when introduced. Just did so. Score one point for me, unless you can find conflicting info :-). See: http://www.marmite.co.uk/love/nutrit...gredients.html You are still ahead on points, so I welcome your challenges, or any constructive criticism for that matter. I do sometimes receive other criticism, but I don't define some of it as "constructive".:-) In passing, any particular local time of day that you check posts & reply to same? Yep, Marmite invented in 1902, Vegemite invented 1926. No longer an Aussie company, as Kraft Foods bought the company several years ago. Cheers, Alan, Australia Regards, Kangaroo16 Kind regards, Kangaroo16 1539 hours [3:59 PM] AEDT Current time zone offset: UTC/GMT +11 hours Time zone abbreviation: EST - Eastern Summer(Daylight) Time |
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On Fri, 16 Nov 2007 05:01:04 GMT, kangaroo16
wrote: Well, you know me, Alan, I like to be accurate, so am pleased to actually check ingredients as well as when introduced. Just did so. Score one point for me, unless you can find conflicting info :-). See: http://www.marmite.co.uk/love/nutrit...gredients.html You are still ahead on points, so I welcome your challenges, or any constructive criticism for that matter. I didn't realise there was a competition. http://www.lucinda.net/bill/vegemite/ Cheers, Alan, Australia -- http://loraltravel.blogspot.com/ latest: Slovenia http://loraltraveloz.blogspot.com/ latest: Mossman Gorge in the Daintree Rainforest |
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On Thu, 15 Nov 2007 20:17:58 -0800, "Calif Bill"
wrote: "Janet Wilder" wrote in message . .. Frank Slootweg wrote: wrote: We have just returned from our 3 week cruise-tour of Australia and New Zealand. W Great report and thanks!! I live in the States and have never been to Aussie land but want to someday A warning: Only do it if you can afford to come back! Our once-in-a-lifetime trip to Australia was in 1995. Next year we will go on our seventh-in-a-lifetime one! :-) It's a sickness and - luckily - there's no cure. So don't say 'we' didn't warn you! What will keep it a "once in a lifetime" trip for us is the plane ride. Don't think we can handle that again. -- Janet Wilder Bad spelling. Bad punctuation Good Friends. Good Life Just a long flight. I think 2nd longest timewise in the world is Sidney - LAX. You can have my quota of Vegemite. I used to travel to Oz on business. Business Class eases the flight time. One trip to Hong Kong / Singapore / Sydney and took the wife. She said it would be good to get to Oz, and be able to understand the speech better. She changed her mind when she got there. Said was easier in Asia to understand the English. Have not been back for a lot of years now, and am planning a trip to NZ and Queensland next year. Get to see the Great Barrier Reef and do some diving there. Business, you only get to see a town for a couple of days when you are there, so get limited sightseeing. So not counting on Perth and Sydney this trip. What to do for a week in the Cairns / Port Douglas area for a week? Or schedule 4 days and more other places. See if this helps with some ideas: http://loraltraveloz.blogspot.com/se...opical%20North Cheers, Alan, Australia |
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On Fri, 16 Nov 2007 16:55:38 +1100, Alan S
wrote in : On Fri, 16 Nov 2007 05:01:04 GMT, kangaroo16 wrote: Well, you know me, Alan, I like to be accurate, so am pleased to actually check ingredients as well as when introduced. Just did so. Score one point for me, unless you can find conflicting info :-). See: http://www.marmite.co.uk/love/nutrit...gredients.html You are still ahead on points, so I welcome your challenges, or any constructive criticism for that matter. I didn't realise there was a competition. A highly informal, and admittedly undeclared one. I didn't realize you desired a formal declaration. :-) http://www.lucinda.net/bill/vegemite/ Did click on the reference, but too many graphics with no actual information. I only have a dial-up service at the moment, by choice. I'm set up to ban most graphics. I don't even use HTML. I usually send messages in ASCII, sometimes in ANSI. I would be just as happy, if not happier, if all of "Usenet" went back to these old standards. It would save a whole lot of bandwidth, after all! I'm only really interested in ordinary text communication. Not "HTML" colour on text. Not text consisting of two or three syllable words. Definitely not colored moving images, musical accompaniment, etc. Do you really think I would get more people to read my posts if I opened with a screen full of dancing coloured kangaroos accompanied or followed by me singing "Skippy the Bush Kangaroo" before the reader even saw any text? Or when I sent text, all letters were of different colours? If so, sorry, not my "target audience". I enjoy reading your replies, Alan, and some others, but if you are offering all these frills and fripperies with your posts, my system filters these out and I just see pure text. No music, no colours, no movement, no advertisements. All this, if offered, is filtered out before I even see it. As to http://www.lucinda.net/bill/vegemite/ It took me less than two seconds to tire of the non-informative slow loading graphics. If you want to copy actual information from the site and copy it, fine. Just text facts, no embellishment. Am really only interested in references that present pure factual unadorned text with no color, music, or whatever. If a site cannot put its factual information up front, why should I wait for it to come up with actual, and hopefully factual, information? Most sources manage to produce understandable text when I click on them. I look for "hard information" not what passes for "entertainment" these days. :-) Did you understand the ingredients of Marmite? :-) I would hope so. If you wish to counter the list of ingredients I found, get more technical, not less technical. Perhaps needless to say, this isn't particularly directed to you, but to all readers of the group. I do have some spare time, but not enough to watch images, listen to music, etc. before I can assess the textual information.:-) Cheers, Kangaroo16 Cheers, Alan, Australia |
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On Fri, 16 Nov 2007 08:14:43 GMT, kangaroo16
wrote: http://www.lucinda.net/bill/vegemite/ Did click on the reference, but too many graphics with no actual information. It's a song roo. One that every Aussie kid probably knows by heart...let it load. Cheers, Alan, Australia -- http://loraltravel.blogspot.com/ latest: Slovenia http://loraltraveloz.blogspot.com/ latest: Mossman Gorge in the Daintree Rainforest |
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On Fri, 16 Nov 2007 08:14:43 GMT, kangaroo16
wrote: Do you really think I would get more people to read my posts if I opened with a screen full of dancing coloured kangaroos accompanied or followed by me singing "Skippy the Bush Kangaroo" before the reader even saw any text? No, but more would read past the first para if they could see that it stopped at the third. Cheers, Alan, Australia -- http://loraltravel.blogspot.com/ latest: Slovenia http://loraltraveloz.blogspot.com/ latest: Mossman Gorge in the Daintree Rainforest |
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kangaroo16 wrote:
On 15 Nov 2007 12:45:10 GMT, Frank Slootweg wrote in : Alan S wrote: [...] You seem to like wandering the outback too much:-) AFAIC, there's no such thing as "too much". Next year is already a 'compromise' because that time we will be driving a 2WD campervan, so no unsealed roads. We will concentrate on the *towns* in outback QLD and NSW which we 'had' to skip on this year's 12,000 km trip. [...] I wouldn't think that the "rule", if there is one, could be absolute, as if crews are working on a stretch of highway and have a detour set up, it will usually be unsealed. Yes, we have experienced these situations quite a lot (like on the Nullabor, where there is no other road anywhere (for a few thousand kms) !:-)). The rental companies obviously mean a road which *normally* - i.e. when it's not under repair - is sealed. The rental companies' rules for not driving on unsealed roads are very strict, IMO way *too* strict. Most of them even have penalties when there is *no* damage to the vehicle. [(very) much deleted] You probably know much of this, Frank, as you have been in Australia before. Other readers might not know, though. Yeah. We've done many of the remote 'tracks' like the Strzelecki, Birdsville, Oodnadatta and Tanami tracks, Gibb River Road, Great Central Road, Plenty 'Hwy', Darling River Run, etc., and several 'unnamed' ones and lots of other outback areas. When I mentioned this to the nice gentleman from Main Roads QLD (who helped us with our enquiry about the road from Eromanga to Nockatunga/ Noccundra and) who warned us about outback travel, he replied "You have seen more of outback Australia than I have....". We hear that a lot when we talk to Australians on our trips! :-) Frank "We *love* the open spaces!" Slootweg Well, Frank, plenty of open space here. In 1990, Alaska had a population of 1 person per square mile. In the continental U.S. Wyoming in 1990 had 4.7 per square mile. Australia has about 6 per square mile, but this is misleading as around 85% of the population is in the major capital cities. Get about 75 km from the coast, and inland areas might have an average population of 1 to 1.5 people per square mile. The large inland desert areas used to be marked on maps as "uninhabited". So for any traveler who likes to get away from it all, this is the place! :-) It sure is! |
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Calif Bill wrote:
What to do for a week in the Cairns / Port Douglas area for a week? Or schedule 4 days and more other places. Make dinner reservations. Port Douglas is a very busy tourist place. Cairns, where the airport is, is quite far from where the diving and snorkeling stuff is. We went on a big pontoon boat which anchors out on a platform by the reef. They supply diving and snorkeling equipment and a very nice lunch, too. If your travel-mate is not a diver, they have a boat with a deep glass hull that will take passengers for a look at the reef without getting wet. Between Port Douglas and Cairns is a place called Hartley's Crocodile Experience. It's a nice place to see local fauna. I thought it would be one of those gross places where some jerk wrestled with a croc, but it is most definitely not. They farm crocs there, but they also have quite a few that live in protected lagoons. There were different birds and other critters. We really enjoyed it. -- Janet Wilder Bad spelling. Bad punctuation Good Friends. Good Life |
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On Fri, 16 Nov 2007 23:48:46 +1100, Alan S
wrote in : On Fri, 16 Nov 2007 08:14:43 GMT, kangaroo16 wrote: Do you really think I would get more people to read my posts if I opened with a screen full of dancing coloured kangaroos accompanied or followed by me singing "Skippy the Bush Kangaroo" before the reader even saw any text? No, but more would read past the first para if they could see that it stopped at the third. Perhaps, Alan, but I tend to write off the top of my head. Editing and condensing takes time, and is somewhat tedious. I could, of course, write a two paragraph post. This would be easy enough. However, the paragraphs might each be 500 words long.:-)---- In fact, I could write one paragraph posts, using dashes as separators, but I don't think that this would necessarily make them more readable :-) ---- I'm striving to provide information to readers who might be interested, and I reckon if they are interested enough, they will read them.----Were I writing an article or book for publication, then I would always proofread for possible errors, ensure that each word conveyed the best possible information, and possibly even condense it a bit, but probably not much.--- One of my favorite novels is "Gone With The Wind" by Margaret Mitchell. I have no idea if anyone has done a "condensed" version, but I doubt that it would be as good as the original. I've seen the movie version, which was pretty good, but still, IMHO is still inferior to the original book.---- My parents used to subscribe to Readers Digest Condensed Books, but it didn't take me long to read each quarterly issue from cover to cover. If I liked a particular condensation, then would usually get the original version from the library and read that. Of course, this is just a novel. ---- Suppose we consider The Second World War (Six Volume Boxed Set) (Paperback: 4736 pages.) by Winston S. Churchill . Do you think it would be improved by condensing it to, say, half this length? I don't! --- Or consider "The Merck Manual of Diagnosis & Therapy" My 16th edition (1992). It is printed on 19 pound Bible paper, most of the text is in 9 point Times Roman, runs to 2,884 pages including index. 203 mm tall, 140 mm wide, 70 mm thick. Could it be "condensed"? Not really. The first edition in 1899 only had 262 pages, but medicine has advanced a lot since then. A new edition comes out about every 5 years. The contents of the 17th edition are free online at http://www.merck.com/mmpe/index.html if anyone wants a look at it. I doubt that anyone would be remotely interested in a "condensed version" :-)--- If I wanted quicker access to information, I would work on improving my reading speed, which is already pretty high. --- I'm amazed at computer users who still use the 2 finger "hunt and peck" system when there are excellent touch-typing programs available. So there you go, Alan. One paragraph above. It contains Total Words: 421, Total Punctuation: 68, Total Other Text: 16, Total Characters: 2418 ---- No, I didn't count them. My Note Tab Pro program includes this feature.:-) ---- I'm sure I could increase my readership by only using words of two syllables, or by providing an audio message so that readers can listen rather than read. However, it would take me more time and effort. I'm really not interested in trying to get everyone on the group to read my posts. If anyone is interested enough to read them, they are invited to do so. If they aren't, they aren't required to do so.:-) --- Anyway, mate, this is an example of a two paragraph post, as per your request. :-) ---- Incidentally, I get most of my news from net sources, or the radio, as much less boring than watching the nightly news on T.V. which actually covers far less material, and worse yet, includes sports coverage which I personally don't consider news at all. Cheers, Kangaroo16 I Cheers, Alan, Australia |
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