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Benjamin Smith wrote:
Karen Segboer wrote: (Surfer E2468) wrote: No it is not all about me,have had many,many people on cruises complain about the same thing,they put in all these extra things and are doing away with what cruising is supposed to be all about,being at sea,and enjoying the view from a comfortable lounge on deck. You can still do that to your heart's content. It is all about catering to the young credit card generation. Cruise companies are in the money-making business. They want to draw as many of each generation as they can. Nothing wrong with that, doesn't bother me, and it's smart on their part. I find something wrong with an overemphasis on money making. I think life is about balance, and humans can produce with a much wider scope when money making is put into balance with other aspects of what is produced, used by, and shared by other humans. I find that designing for a steered majority often leads to mediocrity, I feel becoming more and more rampant with each passing year. And I'd substitute effective for smart, but when we deal with their interests, survival, and well being for who they represent, far is quite an appropo term. I meant "smart" is quite an appropo term. Ben |
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Ref, I go back to 1969. I recall there being The Italian Line, Home Line,
and Holland America. To the best of my knowledge none of them were publicly traded companies so perhaps there was no onus to turn a profit for the stockholders. That doesn't say that there were not money making things going on, only back then the profits went to the purser. The purser owned the bingo game, all of the liquor on the ship, and even the deck chairs. On The Italian Line you reserved your deck chair for $1.00 a day. But cruising was different then. People expected to dress on formal nights, and they stayed dressed for the evening. Sometimes I long for the "good old days" and other times I am thankful for the conveniences that modern cruising offer. -- DG in Cherry Hill, NJ "RTCReferee" wrote in message ... *bicker* wrote: One of the things to keep in mind, when considering the answers to your question, is that many cruise lines aren't interested in providing an experience reminiscent of the past. For example, there were no rock walls, rollerblade tracks, or ice rinks on cruise ships of the past. Our first cruise was in 1984. There was a jogging track on the top deck and a large, separate volleyball court with scheduled games. We didn't care then (or now) about jogging, but volleyball was definitely on our agenda. I'm curious, when you speak of "the past," with regards to cruising, how far back do you look? |
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Ref, I go back to 1969. I recall there being The Italian Line, Home Line,
and Holland America. To the best of my knowledge none of them were publicly traded companies so perhaps there was no onus to turn a profit for the stockholders. That doesn't say that there were not money making things going on, only back then the profits went to the purser. The purser owned the bingo game, all of the liquor on the ship, and even the deck chairs. On The Italian Line you reserved your deck chair for $1.00 a day. But cruising was different then. People expected to dress on formal nights, and they stayed dressed for the evening. Sometimes I long for the "good old days" and other times I am thankful for the conveniences that modern cruising offer. -- DG in Cherry Hill, NJ "RTCReferee" wrote in message ... *bicker* wrote: One of the things to keep in mind, when considering the answers to your question, is that many cruise lines aren't interested in providing an experience reminiscent of the past. For example, there were no rock walls, rollerblade tracks, or ice rinks on cruise ships of the past. Our first cruise was in 1984. There was a jogging track on the top deck and a large, separate volleyball court with scheduled games. We didn't care then (or now) about jogging, but volleyball was definitely on our agenda. I'm curious, when you speak of "the past," with regards to cruising, how far back do you look? |
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Dick Goldhaber wrote:
Ref, I go back to 1969. I recall there being The Italian Line, Home Line, and Holland America. To the best of my knowledge none of them were publicly traded companies so perhaps there was no onus to turn a profit for the stockholders. That doesn't say that there were not money making things going on, only back then the profits went to the purser. The purser owned the bingo game, all of the liquor on the ship, and even the deck chairs. On The Italian Line you reserved your deck chair for $1.00 a day. But cruising was different then. People expected to dress on formal nights, and they stayed dressed for the evening. Not only cruising. I went out to some midtown Manhattan's clubs on a few nights last week. Over 50 percent of people I observed, I'd say, were in jeans. So many people are wearing jeans. Go to the mall, go anywhere, jeans are everywhere, across many generations. I'm for dressing to match personality, mood, ambiance, space, etc. So, I think the jeans everywhere and casual popularity isn't as interesting as people dressing to their various aspects of their personalities and presenting them in social situations. I don't particularly like jeans (I still call them dungarees) and it is interesting that when people have many choices they'll gravitate to the same type of product. Dressing the same in different situations is reflected in today's time in many social situations and establishments. Cruising is just part of it. Sometimes I long for the "good old days" and other times I am thankful for the conveniences that modern cruising offer. -- Sometimes it takes hindsight to realize the value in something. 15 years from now many will long for something that exists now that many may not value or even recognize currently. Ben S. DG in Cherry Hill, NJ "RTCReferee" wrote in message ... *bicker* wrote: One of the things to keep in mind, when considering the answers to your question, is that many cruise lines aren't interested in providing an experience reminiscent of the past. For example, there were no rock walls, rollerblade tracks, or ice rinks on cruise ships of the past. Our first cruise was in 1984. There was a jogging track on the top deck and a large, separate volleyball court with scheduled games. We didn't care then (or now) about jogging, but volleyball was definitely on our agenda. I'm curious, when you speak of "the past," with regards to cruising, how far back do you look? |
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Dick Goldhaber wrote:
Ref, I go back to 1969. I recall there being The Italian Line, Home Line, and Holland America. To the best of my knowledge none of them were publicly traded companies so perhaps there was no onus to turn a profit for the stockholders. That doesn't say that there were not money making things going on, only back then the profits went to the purser. The purser owned the bingo game, all of the liquor on the ship, and even the deck chairs. On The Italian Line you reserved your deck chair for $1.00 a day. But cruising was different then. People expected to dress on formal nights, and they stayed dressed for the evening. Not only cruising. I went out to some midtown Manhattan's clubs on a few nights last week. Over 50 percent of people I observed, I'd say, were in jeans. So many people are wearing jeans. Go to the mall, go anywhere, jeans are everywhere, across many generations. I'm for dressing to match personality, mood, ambiance, space, etc. So, I think the jeans everywhere and casual popularity isn't as interesting as people dressing to their various aspects of their personalities and presenting them in social situations. I don't particularly like jeans (I still call them dungarees) and it is interesting that when people have many choices they'll gravitate to the same type of product. Dressing the same in different situations is reflected in today's time in many social situations and establishments. Cruising is just part of it. Sometimes I long for the "good old days" and other times I am thankful for the conveniences that modern cruising offer. -- Sometimes it takes hindsight to realize the value in something. 15 years from now many will long for something that exists now that many may not value or even recognize currently. Ben S. DG in Cherry Hill, NJ "RTCReferee" wrote in message ... *bicker* wrote: One of the things to keep in mind, when considering the answers to your question, is that many cruise lines aren't interested in providing an experience reminiscent of the past. For example, there were no rock walls, rollerblade tracks, or ice rinks on cruise ships of the past. Our first cruise was in 1984. There was a jogging track on the top deck and a large, separate volleyball court with scheduled games. We didn't care then (or now) about jogging, but volleyball was definitely on our agenda. I'm curious, when you speak of "the past," with regards to cruising, how far back do you look? |
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You write so well. You should do a scientific study on it! On Sun, 02 Jan 2005 09:13:25 -0500, *bicker* wrote: One of the things to keep in mind, when considering the answers to your question, is that many cruise lines aren't interested in providing an experience reminiscent of the past. For example, there were no rock walls, rollerblade tracks, or ice rinks on cruise ships of the past. The result of this dichotomy is that objective, qualitative comparisons (i.e., whether something "surpasses" something else) are impossible, since such judgements depend on whether the reviewer is beholden to the past, hold antipathy towards the past, or is indifferent... and none of the three perspectives are actually "wrong" -- they're just different. So consider responses from that standpoint. Objective information is clear. Mariner of the Seas is the second largest cruise ship ever built, to date, and a couple of old ocean liners of the past could fit inside it. None of the ocean liners of the past had 12 storey atriums. By the same token, Mariner of the Seas doesn't really have different classes of accommodation -- at least not to the extent that was the case in the past. Different sized cabins, yes, but everyone gets the same food, the same entertainment, etc. Both subjects, ocean liners of the past and modern cruising, are interesting topics. Comparing the two is significantly less interesting. Carnival Tropicale 1982 NCL Dawn 2004 HAL Noordam 2004 |
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On Sun, 02 Jan 2005 12:52:50 -0600, Lee La wrote:
Oh come on now, the new way of crusing with all the extra charges for this and that is awesome. I love being on vacation and having to keep my wallet open. Gives you that warm feeling inside of being screwed all the time. Oh, what have we here. A moron. plonk |
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On Sun, 02 Jan 2005 12:52:50 -0600, Lee La wrote:
Oh come on now, the new way of crusing with all the extra charges for this and that is awesome. I love being on vacation and having to keep my wallet open. Gives you that warm feeling inside of being screwed all the time. Oh, what have we here. A moron. plonk |
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A Mon, 03 Jan 2005 02:09:20 GMT, Benjamin Smith
escribió: I find something wrong with an overemphasis on money making. I think life is about balance Haven't we had this discussion before? grin You are correct about life being about balance: Corporations are for the money-making. Other institutions, entities and aspects of life exist for the other things. I find that designing for a steered majority often leads to mediocrity Only with respect to an arbitrary, subjective standard, of course. -- bicker® |
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