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Passport debate "what if"
On Fri, 30 Jul 2004 15:18:34 GMT, Dillon Pyron
wrote: From: Charles lid I am not sure if you don't understand what I posted or you don't want to understand. But I will repeat. I am using SSL email. SSL (secure socket layer) encrypts the entire e-mail transmission. http://www.openssl.org/news/secadv_20030219.txt There are holes ... The better the encryption the smaller number of people capable of breaking it ... but it never goes to zero ... I doubt any of those capable would care about either your or my emails though The people capable of cracking a good (DH 2048 bit, for instance) encryption algorthm already have more information on you than you do. Bet on it. |
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Passport debate "what if"
On Wed, 28 Jul 2004 20:51:28 -0700, Jim wrote:
On Wed, 28 Jul 2004 17:26:00 -0600, "LES!" wrote: I decided to post a separate thread instead of jumbling up the other thread lol. Anyway, I'm really more curious and the other thread made me wonder. If Me, Jarrod and Alegra were on a cruise that went to Belize, Honduras, Panama and Costa Rica, and say in one of these 4 countries, we missed the boat. Would we need to have a passport to get airfare from that port city to the next port city (For arguments sake, Costa Rica to Belize)? This would about 99.9999% guarantee a visit to the Embassy I assume? Since most of us would have left such information on the ship. Has this happened? How would it be handled? Would just telling the airport (or whomever) that you were on X ship suffice? Thanx for humoring me ;-) LES! One cannot stress it enough: TAKE YOUR PASSPORT WITH YOU WHEN YOU LEAVE THE SHIP!! Sorry for shouting but really. People, it's a foreign country, you're a foreigner to them and a strangerin a world growing increasingly hostile to anything perceived as suspicious. Think how folks in the U.S. react to aliens with no identification or ability to show they are in the country legally. Your passport is proof you are an American citizen or legeal resident and in some places, being a foreigner without one can get you days or weeks in lock-up, they don't even have to notify the embassy as you cannot prove you are entitled to that. Mexico is pretty cool if you have good I.D. and probably most popular tour spots for cruising,but this is a "You only have to be wrong once" sort of situation. Country "A" may not let you leave and country "B" probably won't let you in without one. Some places, it's a major crominal offense to not have a passport as a foreigner. Finally...without a passport, you may be stuck on *our* end of the line for a long time as the inspector may nor may not take your word and may hold you pending further examination. *Lots* of examination. Airlines aren't even supposed to let you board a flight to the U.S. without proof you have a legal permit to enter, such as a passport. Carry a certified copy of your birth certificate too and keep it and your passport number or phtocopy of the front page with the data someplace separate, an embassy or consulate can issue a replacement passport almost on the spot if you have those. If you don't, it may take several days as there's a lot of back and forth to the States and the Passport office is both overworked and underfunded and they have to do a lot of scrutinizing to verify your claim. Not to mention in some countries it may take oyu hours of standing in line just to see the right person, a *lot* of people want to get intot he U.S. Remember, you're not going to Disneyland, you are visiting a sovereign foreign nation, event he really friendly ones like it a lot better if you don't act like your own laws apply there. Jim P. That's a bit overstated. Any place that might jail you for not having a passport won't let you in without one in the first place. I mean, people do have their passports stolen, or destroyed, or lost. But I do agree, you're a newbie with a hard lesson to learn if you don't carry your passport in a foreign country. It's really just silly not to. Mason Barge "If this is coffee, please bring me some tea. If this is tea, please bring me some coffee." -- Abraham Lincoln |
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On Wed, 28 Jul 2004 20:51:28 -0700, Jim wrote:
On Wed, 28 Jul 2004 17:26:00 -0600, "LES!" wrote: I decided to post a separate thread instead of jumbling up the other thread lol. Anyway, I'm really more curious and the other thread made me wonder. If Me, Jarrod and Alegra were on a cruise that went to Belize, Honduras, Panama and Costa Rica, and say in one of these 4 countries, we missed the boat. Would we need to have a passport to get airfare from that port city to the next port city (For arguments sake, Costa Rica to Belize)? This would about 99.9999% guarantee a visit to the Embassy I assume? Since most of us would have left such information on the ship. Has this happened? How would it be handled? Would just telling the airport (or whomever) that you were on X ship suffice? Thanx for humoring me ;-) LES! One cannot stress it enough: TAKE YOUR PASSPORT WITH YOU WHEN YOU LEAVE THE SHIP!! Sorry for shouting but really. People, it's a foreign country, you're a foreigner to them and a strangerin a world growing increasingly hostile to anything perceived as suspicious. Think how folks in the U.S. react to aliens with no identification or ability to show they are in the country legally. Your passport is proof you are an American citizen or legeal resident and in some places, being a foreigner without one can get you days or weeks in lock-up, they don't even have to notify the embassy as you cannot prove you are entitled to that. Mexico is pretty cool if you have good I.D. and probably most popular tour spots for cruising,but this is a "You only have to be wrong once" sort of situation. Country "A" may not let you leave and country "B" probably won't let you in without one. Some places, it's a major crominal offense to not have a passport as a foreigner. Finally...without a passport, you may be stuck on *our* end of the line for a long time as the inspector may nor may not take your word and may hold you pending further examination. *Lots* of examination. Airlines aren't even supposed to let you board a flight to the U.S. without proof you have a legal permit to enter, such as a passport. Carry a certified copy of your birth certificate too and keep it and your passport number or phtocopy of the front page with the data someplace separate, an embassy or consulate can issue a replacement passport almost on the spot if you have those. If you don't, it may take several days as there's a lot of back and forth to the States and the Passport office is both overworked and underfunded and they have to do a lot of scrutinizing to verify your claim. Not to mention in some countries it may take oyu hours of standing in line just to see the right person, a *lot* of people want to get intot he U.S. Remember, you're not going to Disneyland, you are visiting a sovereign foreign nation, event he really friendly ones like it a lot better if you don't act like your own laws apply there. Jim P. That's a bit overstated. Any place that might jail you for not having a passport won't let you in without one in the first place. I mean, people do have their passports stolen, or destroyed, or lost. But I do agree, you're a newbie with a hard lesson to learn if you don't carry your passport in a foreign country. It's really just silly not to. Mason Barge "If this is coffee, please bring me some tea. If this is tea, please bring me some coffee." -- Abraham Lincoln |
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Passport debate "what if"
On Thu, 29 Jul 2004 21:48:51 GMT, "
wrote: Technical question: It's it Consulates, not Embassies? An Embassy is an official delegation to a foreign government. A consulate is more a working shop to deal with practical matters, and is the place where issues concerning passports and visas are taken care of. There are, in fact, embassies without consuls that cannot help with passport or visa matters. Mason Barge "If this is coffee, please bring me some tea. If this is tea, please bring me some coffee." -- Abraham Lincoln |
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Passport debate "what if"
On Thu, 29 Jul 2004 21:48:51 GMT, "
wrote: Technical question: It's it Consulates, not Embassies? An Embassy is an official delegation to a foreign government. A consulate is more a working shop to deal with practical matters, and is the place where issues concerning passports and visas are taken care of. There are, in fact, embassies without consuls that cannot help with passport or visa matters. Mason Barge "If this is coffee, please bring me some tea. If this is tea, please bring me some coffee." -- Abraham Lincoln |
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Passport debate "what if"
On Thu, 29 Jul 2004 21:48:51 GMT, "
wrote: Technical question: It's it Consulates, not Embassies? An Embassy is an official delegation to a foreign government. A consulate is more a working shop to deal with practical matters, and is the place where issues concerning passports and visas are taken care of. There are, in fact, embassies without consuls that cannot help with passport or visa matters. Mason Barge "If this is coffee, please bring me some tea. If this is tea, please bring me some coffee." -- Abraham Lincoln |
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