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Old July 31st, 2004, 07:34 PM
Dick Goldhaber
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Why? Given a chance, the system works.
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WE will be on Zuiderdan Aug 14 - plan to complain --

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Old July 31st, 2004, 07:34 PM
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Default Couple more questions... HAL's new tipping policy.

Why? Given a chance, the system works.
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WE will be on Zuiderdan Aug 14 - plan to complain --

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Old July 31st, 2004, 07:34 PM
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Default Couple more questions... HAL's new tipping policy.

Why? Given a chance, the system works.
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WE will be on Zuiderdan Aug 14 - plan to complain --

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Old July 31st, 2004, 08:51 PM
Rosalie B.
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Default Couple more questions... HAL's new tipping policy.

"User 1.nospam" wrote:

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..Perhaps I missed something, but.... The way I understand it.... If
one prefers to tip individually, the crew member must put the money in a
"common" pot if "HE" knows that the cruiser has had the 10 bucks per day
removed from his account. ...However... The cruiser supposedly cannot
have the added "tip??" charge removed from his account (if he so
desires), until the last day of the cruise.
..So how would this work, as even now, everyone (who does tip), does so
before receiving his final "disputable" bill ?
..So you end up tipping the dining room staff etc., as per usual.
...Then, they turn their tips in (Or hold them upfront) until they know
for sure you haven't had the automatic charges removed on the morning of
your departure ?? ...I think not; nobody's that honest.

..And what about room service? ...We always tip 2 or 3 bucks for the
morning coffee delivery, or for a sandwich delivered at night. ...Does
the crew man have to turn this money into a common pot too? ...Jon


You have the basic gist of it. Believe me...your activities are tracked,
both by room and table number. I believe the pool arrangement works,
whether the staff agrees with it or not. Remember, these folks want to
renew their labor contract, and any glitch, such as withholding a direct
tip, could mean their dismissal. Even if they are on their 'last' labor
period, they want a good recommendation for their future.

Our HAL waiter was immediately on the 'hot seat' for bringing our dessert
menu before the normally scheduled moment.

That brings up an interesting scenario....who gets your table tip if you
choose to eat on the Lido all the time? My best guess would be your
assigned table personnel. On the other hand, if you were a real chiseler
you could remove your auto-tip, eat on the Lido and save all the table tips
for yourself.


Suppose you are on Freestyle dining and don't have assigned table
personnel? (I know this isn't HAL but it's a similar question).

Also - are you allowed to partition the $10/day tip to exclude one of
your service persons. Like can you exclude the person who put the
waiter on the hot seat and increase the waiter's tip correspondingly?
Do you even know what percentage goes where?

Which begs the question...why cruise at all? tongue-in-cheek You can stay
home, save the price of the cruise, airfare to the port, eat at McDonalds
and buy National Geographic travelogues of the places to which you would
otherwise cruise. Then you could bequeath your savings to your eligible,
deserving heirs.



grandma Rosalie
  #15  
Old July 31st, 2004, 08:51 PM
Rosalie B.
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Default Couple more questions... HAL's new tipping policy.

"User 1.nospam" wrote:

wrote in message
...
..Perhaps I missed something, but.... The way I understand it.... If
one prefers to tip individually, the crew member must put the money in a
"common" pot if "HE" knows that the cruiser has had the 10 bucks per day
removed from his account. ...However... The cruiser supposedly cannot
have the added "tip??" charge removed from his account (if he so
desires), until the last day of the cruise.
..So how would this work, as even now, everyone (who does tip), does so
before receiving his final "disputable" bill ?
..So you end up tipping the dining room staff etc., as per usual.
...Then, they turn their tips in (Or hold them upfront) until they know
for sure you haven't had the automatic charges removed on the morning of
your departure ?? ...I think not; nobody's that honest.

..And what about room service? ...We always tip 2 or 3 bucks for the
morning coffee delivery, or for a sandwich delivered at night. ...Does
the crew man have to turn this money into a common pot too? ...Jon


You have the basic gist of it. Believe me...your activities are tracked,
both by room and table number. I believe the pool arrangement works,
whether the staff agrees with it or not. Remember, these folks want to
renew their labor contract, and any glitch, such as withholding a direct
tip, could mean their dismissal. Even if they are on their 'last' labor
period, they want a good recommendation for their future.

Our HAL waiter was immediately on the 'hot seat' for bringing our dessert
menu before the normally scheduled moment.

That brings up an interesting scenario....who gets your table tip if you
choose to eat on the Lido all the time? My best guess would be your
assigned table personnel. On the other hand, if you were a real chiseler
you could remove your auto-tip, eat on the Lido and save all the table tips
for yourself.


Suppose you are on Freestyle dining and don't have assigned table
personnel? (I know this isn't HAL but it's a similar question).

Also - are you allowed to partition the $10/day tip to exclude one of
your service persons. Like can you exclude the person who put the
waiter on the hot seat and increase the waiter's tip correspondingly?
Do you even know what percentage goes where?

Which begs the question...why cruise at all? tongue-in-cheek You can stay
home, save the price of the cruise, airfare to the port, eat at McDonalds
and buy National Geographic travelogues of the places to which you would
otherwise cruise. Then you could bequeath your savings to your eligible,
deserving heirs.



grandma Rosalie
  #16  
Old July 31st, 2004, 08:51 PM
Rosalie B.
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Default Couple more questions... HAL's new tipping policy.

"User 1.nospam" wrote:

wrote in message
...
..Perhaps I missed something, but.... The way I understand it.... If
one prefers to tip individually, the crew member must put the money in a
"common" pot if "HE" knows that the cruiser has had the 10 bucks per day
removed from his account. ...However... The cruiser supposedly cannot
have the added "tip??" charge removed from his account (if he so
desires), until the last day of the cruise.
..So how would this work, as even now, everyone (who does tip), does so
before receiving his final "disputable" bill ?
..So you end up tipping the dining room staff etc., as per usual.
...Then, they turn their tips in (Or hold them upfront) until they know
for sure you haven't had the automatic charges removed on the morning of
your departure ?? ...I think not; nobody's that honest.

..And what about room service? ...We always tip 2 or 3 bucks for the
morning coffee delivery, or for a sandwich delivered at night. ...Does
the crew man have to turn this money into a common pot too? ...Jon


You have the basic gist of it. Believe me...your activities are tracked,
both by room and table number. I believe the pool arrangement works,
whether the staff agrees with it or not. Remember, these folks want to
renew their labor contract, and any glitch, such as withholding a direct
tip, could mean their dismissal. Even if they are on their 'last' labor
period, they want a good recommendation for their future.

Our HAL waiter was immediately on the 'hot seat' for bringing our dessert
menu before the normally scheduled moment.

That brings up an interesting scenario....who gets your table tip if you
choose to eat on the Lido all the time? My best guess would be your
assigned table personnel. On the other hand, if you were a real chiseler
you could remove your auto-tip, eat on the Lido and save all the table tips
for yourself.


Suppose you are on Freestyle dining and don't have assigned table
personnel? (I know this isn't HAL but it's a similar question).

Also - are you allowed to partition the $10/day tip to exclude one of
your service persons. Like can you exclude the person who put the
waiter on the hot seat and increase the waiter's tip correspondingly?
Do you even know what percentage goes where?

Which begs the question...why cruise at all? tongue-in-cheek You can stay
home, save the price of the cruise, airfare to the port, eat at McDonalds
and buy National Geographic travelogues of the places to which you would
otherwise cruise. Then you could bequeath your savings to your eligible,
deserving heirs.



grandma Rosalie
  #17  
Old August 1st, 2004, 04:31 PM
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Default Couple more questions... HAL's new tipping policy.

Hi Grandma.... I think you're on the right track towards what many
find so irritating about HAL's new tipping policy. ...If we tip, we like
to tip to those whom we feel deserve it. I know I tend to be overly
generous -- just about all the time; however, I have eaten at a few
restaurants where the gratuity simply remained in my pocket. ...Not
because I was trying to save a few cents, but because I felt the service
stunk.
So here's my gripe --- You get nailed the 10 buck a day "service"
charge. ....All well and good. However...You can't just leave your
extra money at home, as Dick mentioned. 'Cause if you leave without
"personally" tipping the usuals (waiter, assistant waiter, room steward
etc), you'll be deemed a cheapskate who was not "personally" happy with
the services they rendered. ....In other words...You'd be looked on no
different than those who (under HAL's previous policy) avoided the last
dining room meal, just to save a few bucks.
....The new tipping policy, is nothing more than a bonus for those who
normally don't ever receive tips. Would these "faceless/nameless"
service personnel be grateful for the additional money received? ...Of
course, but not in the sense of it being a "Thank-you" from the
passengers for doing such a great job. Listen... The first thing these
crew members will doing on embarkation day is checking to see how full
the ship is.
HALs new tipping policy won't change anything, really. Sure, everyone
will get an extra dollar or two per day on their paycheck, but the ones
who truly bend over backwards, or go out of their way to "personally"
look after the guests will actually see a reduction in pay. ...Not
because they are less deserving now, but because the passengers will
have considered them already duly compensated.
....The whole system sucks, as far as I'm concerned. HAL should have
left well enough alone; chalked on an extra 100 bucks to everyone's
cruise fair; and raised the pay for those working behind the scenes.
...Jon

  #18  
Old August 1st, 2004, 04:31 PM
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Default Couple more questions... HAL's new tipping policy.

Hi Grandma.... I think you're on the right track towards what many
find so irritating about HAL's new tipping policy. ...If we tip, we like
to tip to those whom we feel deserve it. I know I tend to be overly
generous -- just about all the time; however, I have eaten at a few
restaurants where the gratuity simply remained in my pocket. ...Not
because I was trying to save a few cents, but because I felt the service
stunk.
So here's my gripe --- You get nailed the 10 buck a day "service"
charge. ....All well and good. However...You can't just leave your
extra money at home, as Dick mentioned. 'Cause if you leave without
"personally" tipping the usuals (waiter, assistant waiter, room steward
etc), you'll be deemed a cheapskate who was not "personally" happy with
the services they rendered. ....In other words...You'd be looked on no
different than those who (under HAL's previous policy) avoided the last
dining room meal, just to save a few bucks.
....The new tipping policy, is nothing more than a bonus for those who
normally don't ever receive tips. Would these "faceless/nameless"
service personnel be grateful for the additional money received? ...Of
course, but not in the sense of it being a "Thank-you" from the
passengers for doing such a great job. Listen... The first thing these
crew members will doing on embarkation day is checking to see how full
the ship is.
HALs new tipping policy won't change anything, really. Sure, everyone
will get an extra dollar or two per day on their paycheck, but the ones
who truly bend over backwards, or go out of their way to "personally"
look after the guests will actually see a reduction in pay. ...Not
because they are less deserving now, but because the passengers will
have considered them already duly compensated.
....The whole system sucks, as far as I'm concerned. HAL should have
left well enough alone; chalked on an extra 100 bucks to everyone's
cruise fair; and raised the pay for those working behind the scenes.
...Jon

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Old August 1st, 2004, 05:22 PM
Tom & Linda
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Default Couple more questions... HAL's new tipping policy.


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So here's my gripe --- You get nailed the 10 buck a day "service"
charge. ....All well and good. However...You can't just leave your
extra money at home, as Dick mentioned. 'Cause if you leave without
"personally" tipping the usuals (waiter, assistant waiter, room steward
etc), you'll be deemed a cheapskate who was not "personally" happy with
the services they rendered. ....In other words...You'd be looked on no
different than those who (under HAL's previous policy) avoided the last
dining room meal, just to save a few bucks.
...The new tipping policy, is nothing more than a bonus for those who
normally don't ever receive tips. Would these "faceless/nameless"
service personnel be grateful for the additional money received? ...Of
course, but not in the sense of it being a "Thank-you" from the
passengers for doing such a great job. Listen... The first thing these
crew members will doing on embarkation day is checking to see how full
the ship is.
HALs new tipping policy won't change anything, really. Sure, everyone
will get an extra dollar or two per day on their paycheck, but the ones
who truly bend over backwards, or go out of their way to "personally"
look after the guests will actually see a reduction in pay. ...Not
because they are less deserving now, but because the passengers will
have considered them already duly compensated.
...The whole system sucks, as far as I'm concerned. HAL should have
left well enough alone; chalked on an extra 100 bucks to everyone's
cruise fair; and raised the pay for those working behind the scenes.
..Jon


I'm not sure I understand what you're talking about.

If they're putting tips on your account, then why are you thinking you must
still hand out cash?

--Tom


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Old August 1st, 2004, 05:22 PM
Tom & Linda
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Default Couple more questions... HAL's new tipping policy.


wrote in message
...

So here's my gripe --- You get nailed the 10 buck a day "service"
charge. ....All well and good. However...You can't just leave your
extra money at home, as Dick mentioned. 'Cause if you leave without
"personally" tipping the usuals (waiter, assistant waiter, room steward
etc), you'll be deemed a cheapskate who was not "personally" happy with
the services they rendered. ....In other words...You'd be looked on no
different than those who (under HAL's previous policy) avoided the last
dining room meal, just to save a few bucks.
...The new tipping policy, is nothing more than a bonus for those who
normally don't ever receive tips. Would these "faceless/nameless"
service personnel be grateful for the additional money received? ...Of
course, but not in the sense of it being a "Thank-you" from the
passengers for doing such a great job. Listen... The first thing these
crew members will doing on embarkation day is checking to see how full
the ship is.
HALs new tipping policy won't change anything, really. Sure, everyone
will get an extra dollar or two per day on their paycheck, but the ones
who truly bend over backwards, or go out of their way to "personally"
look after the guests will actually see a reduction in pay. ...Not
because they are less deserving now, but because the passengers will
have considered them already duly compensated.
...The whole system sucks, as far as I'm concerned. HAL should have
left well enough alone; chalked on an extra 100 bucks to everyone's
cruise fair; and raised the pay for those working behind the scenes.
..Jon


I'm not sure I understand what you're talking about.

If they're putting tips on your account, then why are you thinking you must
still hand out cash?

--Tom


 




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