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Old August 1st, 2006, 01:09 AM posted to rec.travel.air,rec.travel.europe,soc.culture.british,soc.culture.usa,alt.politics.bush
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On 31 Jul 2006 16:59:47 -0700, "Tchiowa" wrote:

Interesting about the vacation thing. As I have posted before, new
employees get 1 week vacation the first year and 2 weeks vacation per
year for the next few years. In almost all companies it's 3-4 weeks
after 5 years.


So it's 3-4 weeks once you've gained 5 years experience -

http://www.bls.gov/nls/y79r20jobsbyedu.pdf

suggests that between 18 and 38 the average is 10 jobs, now of course
it's likely a number of those are very short before you settle on one,
however the number of unemployment spells indicate that it's unlikely
that all those people are in the same job post 30, see

http://www.bls.gov/nls/y79r20unempbyage.pdf

So if you're right and you need 5 years experience to get 3 or 4
weeks, then lots of people rarely attain this.

Jim.
  #562  
Old August 1st, 2006, 04:31 AM posted to rec.travel.air,rec.travel.europe,soc.culture.british,soc.culture.usa,alt.politics.bush
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Jim Ley wrote:
On 31 Jul 2006 16:59:47 -0700, "Tchiowa" wrote:

Interesting about the vacation thing. As I have posted before, new
employees get 1 week vacation the first year and 2 weeks vacation per
year for the next few years. In almost all companies it's 3-4 weeks
after 5 years.


So it's 3-4 weeks once you've gained 5 years experience -

http://www.bls.gov/nls/y79r20jobsbyedu.pdf

suggests that between 18 and 38 the average is 10 jobs, now of course
it's likely a number of those are very short before you settle on one,
however the number of unemployment spells indicate that it's unlikely
that all those people are in the same job post 30, see

http://www.bls.gov/nls/y79r20unempbyage.pdf

So if you're right and you need 5 years experience to get 3 or 4
weeks, then lots of people rarely attain this.


"Lots of people"? Maybe. The majority of people end up staying at one
job for quite some time. You're right in your first conclusion that
young people often change jobs very frequently. If they do that, why
should their boss give them paid vacation? Or more than a week or so?

I would guess just from personal experience that by the time people are
25-30 years old, the vast majority are in the job that they are going
to be doing for a very long time. And then they are getting plenty of
vacation. Vacation that they have "earned".

  #563  
Old August 1st, 2006, 05:57 AM posted to rec.travel.air,rec.travel.europe,soc.culture.british,soc.culture.usa,alt.politics.bush
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JohnT writes:

You really don't know?


What is the difference between professionals and non-professionals?

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  #564  
Old August 1st, 2006, 05:58 AM posted to rec.travel.air,rec.travel.europe,soc.culture.british,soc.culture.usa,alt.politics.bush
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Dave Frightens Me writes:

The money you can demand.


What's the threshold of money that separates professionals from
non-professionals?

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Old August 1st, 2006, 06:01 AM posted to rec.travel.air,rec.travel.europe,soc.culture.british,soc.culture.usa,alt.politics.bush
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JohnT writes:

You have demonstrated very little knowledge in this ng.


I've haven't seen anyone demonstrate much in the way of skills here.
If you want me to provide professional services, you'll have to pay me
for it.

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Old August 1st, 2006, 06:01 AM posted to rec.travel.air,rec.travel.europe,soc.culture.british,soc.culture.usa,alt.politics.bush
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Padraig Breathnach writes:

In what field or fields?


Mostly in computers.

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Old August 1st, 2006, 06:04 AM posted to rec.travel.air,rec.travel.europe,soc.culture.british,soc.culture.usa,alt.politics.bush
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Keith W writes:

Dammed right they do, failure to do so leaves them open
to a malpractise suit.


No, it does not. The whole purpose of the lawyer is to interpret the
law for her client and make appropriate recommendations; if the client
could do that by just reading a list of citations, he wouldn't need a
lawyer.

Lawyers submit jurisprudence for the purpose of persuading other
lawyers (such as judges). That is the last thing they would normally
do for most clients, and if that's all they did, then they would
certainly be falling short of their duty to clients.

Those that do lose their cases and clients


Unfortunately, no. Jury trials are usually decided by factors other
than citations of existing jurisprudence.

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  #568  
Old August 1st, 2006, 06:07 AM posted to rec.travel.air,rec.travel.europe,soc.culture.british,soc.culture.usa,alt.politics.bush
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Keith W writes:

If you assume such a growth rate is sustainable. That seems unlikely.


Famous last words.

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Old August 1st, 2006, 06:08 AM posted to rec.travel.air,rec.travel.europe,soc.culture.british,soc.culture.usa,alt.politics.bush
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Keith W writes:

Since Chinese growth depends
critically on energy availability I seriously doubt it can be sustained at
current levels let alone increased.


They can take energy from other countries.

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Old August 1st, 2006, 06:09 AM posted to rec.travel.air,rec.travel.europe,soc.culture.british,soc.culture.usa,alt.politics.bush
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Tchiowa writes:

That would be the National Socialist government that ran Germany at the
time. Perhaps you've heard of them?


They were no more socialist than the USSR was communist.

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