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On Tue, 29 Nov 2005 14:27:36 +0800, Chris Blunt
wrote: Don't be such an idiot. Nobody is referring to drug dealers as normal, average everyday people. You made up this baseless claim that every Thai person in Khao San Road is either a prostitute or a drug dealer. You are the only one to have insulted Thai people here, and you should be ashamed of yourself for it. You get drug dealers all over Thailand, in fact all over the world, no more and no less in Khao San Road. You get rich drug addicts and you get poor drug addicts. Wealthy superstars are just as likely to get involved in drugs as any other sector of society. If you don't like Khao San Road, just say so any leave it at that. You don't need to engage in this stupid tirade against the place to justify not going there. What is the matter with you, man? Chris Look this Guy had a bad experience at Khao San Road years ago and he is trying to blame everybody but himself for being a nieve fool. He is not only trying to condem a whole vibrant section of Bangkok , he is also trying to condem all the PEOPLE in that area. He made a very stupid comment that he is unwilling to fess up to. A total loser in my opinion. _________________________________________ Usenet Zone Free Binaries Usenet Server More than 140,000 groups Unlimited download http://www.usenetzone.com to open account |
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On 28 Nov 2005 22:00:33 -0800, "Tchiowa" wrote:
Chris Blunt wrote: On 28 Nov 2005 04:18:14 -0800, "Tchiowa" wrote: You said, and I quote: " its one of the few places that have both ordinary Thais and foreigners mixing and enjoying themselves". By doing so you are saying that a) those are ordinary Thais, and b) either Thais don't associate with foreigners elsewhere or those that do aren't ordinary Thais. I'm saying both a) and b). They are ordinary Thai people, and no, Thai people don't generally mix with foreigners in the entertainment venues that most foreigners go to, at least in Bangkok. I found a couple of places in Khao San Road that were nice exceptions to that. That's all I said, period. And you're 100% wrong. Thai people associate with foreigners all over the Kingdom. Yes, but not in most of the entertainment venues in Bangkok that foreigners to go to, which is what I actually said. I'm not going to respond to the rest of your garbage in which you continue to insult the Thai people who go to Khao San Road by claiming they are prostitutes even though you haven't actually been there yourself for years. As others have noted, you are indeed a very sick man. Why do you find it necessary to flat out lie to try to make a point? I never claimed that the Thai going there were prostitutes. How can a verbatim quote from you possibly be a lie on my part? Here is what you wrote again. On 27 Nov 2005 21:17:22 -0800, "Tchiowa" wrote: The only Thai you'll see on Khao San Road are those who are "on the game". As everyone knows, being "on the game" is a slang term for a prostitute. You're surely not going to try to tell us that you really meant they were there actually playing some other kind of "game". Cricket, or ice hockey, maybe? You were insulting Thais people. Live with the fact that you got caught, or better still withdraw your dirty comments. Chris |
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Alfred Molon wrote: In article .com, says... What? You don't think this is a proper criticism? Weren't you on this group when Marku went through his anti-Jew tirade? A number of posts calling them Kikes, Hebes, etc.? I called him on it and his reply was "I'm a racist. So what?". I think racists are pretty despicable. You think I have a problem because I despise racists? You should show some respect for the victims of the national socialism and not use this topic to attack people on usenet. I understand what you're saying. But I don't think you show respect for Jews by ignoring it when a blatant racists like Markku makes the kinds of comments he has made here on this group. I think you show respect by fighting racists like him at every opportunity. |
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Deet wrote: On Mon, 28 Nov 2005 19:08:18 +0100, Alfred Molon wrote: In article .com, says... Cheapness is not the key selling point of KSR. It's full of travel agencies, restaurants catering to westerners, hotels, internet cafes, fellow travellers etc. It's an ideal base for organising trips, getting visas, exchanging ideas with other travellers. Plus it's centrally located, in walking distance of the Grand Palace and other attractions My 2 cents worth.... There is an entire sub-culture of people that call themselves 'backpackers' who genuinely like to travel around. However they do it not for the experience of exposure to new cultures, but rather do it to see where they can go with the least possible expense. This is usually at such cost to the locals (bargaining without end, comparing deals, passing on the 'best place' to go i.e. cheap) that I'd rank them right up there with tour groups. Both types of people hang out together, have little interest in the local society where they happen to be visiting, and are much more likely to frequent 'westerners, western hotels, internet cafes, restaurants catering to westerners' etc etc. and both groups contribute little to the local economies. Both groups are pretty shallow and limited in their outlooks. I agree with your 2 satang. To add further, there is nothing wrong nor anything derogatory to be implied about travelling on the cheap. But you are right that the sub-culture exists as you describe. Further, one of the downsides of that culture is that many of them are involved in drugs and other less than savorable habits. It's too bad that this sub-culture exists because it creates a real bad image that other budget travellers have to deal with. But it's there. And to deny that it's there is to deny reality. The 2 worst examples of it that I have personally seen are Kathmandu (not all of it, just the "Berkeley Lite" area) and Khao San Road. How can it be any kind of fraud? At weekends there are literally hundreds of perfectly normal Thai people in some of the bars in KSR. No there aren't. And how would you know if you haven't been there for years ? I asked my wife about this. To put her response into perspective- she is 29 yrs old, has a BA from Chukalorn (or however you spell it) and a Masters in Economics from Melbourne University (no I'm not Aussie) and works for the Thai gov't. The office where she works has about 350 employees. They don't have any strong opinions of Khao San Road. Generally they don't much think about it, except to note as an aside that the foreigners there are 'very young' and 'hippies' and that there 'sure are a lot of bars there'. The idea that it's becoming trendy for yuppie Thais has actually some merit. But the feeling is that they will be driven out in short order by the crassness of the foreigners. That is- it's ok to be exposed to them in small doses, but familiarity breeds even more contempt than normal. My friends have a somewhat less kind opinion, but generally the same. For those that don't realize it, "hippies" is not a complement. ;-) Is it or is it not true that Khao San Road is "the place to go" for foreigners to score drugs? I have never seen anybody selling drugs in KSR, nor have I been offered drugs in KSR. But I've been offered drugs, even heavy ones in Europe (Amsterdam, just to make an example). I guess Europe must be a cesspool? Or perhaps KSR is not as drug-infested as you like to think ? Actually you are perfectly correct on this one. Most of europe is a huge cesspool. I didn't specifically comment on this during my response, but I've been to Amsterdam many times. Most of it is quite nice. One of my favorite European cities. But the areas where the drug cafes are concentrated is in fact a cesspool. Similarly Bangkok is not a cesspool. Far from it. But the areas where drugs are common are. And the reality is that Khao San Road is one of those areas. By the way, not all foreigners are on drugs and prostitutes. They might not be on drugs, but the vast majority of them are on prostitutes. 5555555555555555 |
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Chris Blunt wrote: On 28 Nov 2005 21:43:38 -0800, "Tchiowa" wrote: (sigh) It's not farangs selling to farangs. It doesn't matter that they are arriving without drugs in their pockets. The stoners are buying their drugs there, in Khao San Road, from Thai dealers. The same Thai that others in this thread are calling "normal, average, everyday Thai" which is a cruel insult to all of the normal, average everyday Thai. Don't be such an idiot. Nobody is referring to drug dealers as normal, average everyday people. The place is crawling with drug dealers. You are the one who referred to the Thai in Khao San Road as normal Thai. You made up this baseless claim that every Thai person in Khao San Road is either a prostitute or a drug dealer. And you are the one who keeps lying about what I said. Please show me where I said that every Thai person in Khao San Road is either a prostitute or a drug dealer. I didn't say it. The fact that you have now twice repeated the same lie implies that you're getting a tad desperate. You are the only one to have insulted Thai people here, and you should be ashamed of yourself for it. The people there are what they are. Your assumption that all Thai people are like what you see in Khao San Road is an insult. You get drug dealers all over Thailand, Yes. in fact all over the world, Yes. no more and no less in Khao San Road. Absolutely wrong, and that's the point. The place is crawling with them. You get rich drug addicts and you get poor drug addicts. Wealthy superstars are just as likely to get involved in drugs as any other sector of society. If you don't like Khao San Road, just say so any leave it at that. I did. Then you (and a couple of others) jumped in and described is a heaven on earth, or close to it. You insulted all my Thai friends with your comments and you made ridiculous claims about what a wonderful socially fulfilling place it is. You expect anyone to let you leave those statements unchallenged???? You don't need to engage in this stupid tirade against the place to justify not going there. What is the matter with you, man? What's the matter with me is that I don't think it is good for Thailand for you to be making those absurd remarks about Khao San Road and effectively encouraging people to go there. What is the matter with you? Did I insult one of your hangouts? |
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On 29 Nov 2005 04:56:31 -0800, "Tchiowa" wrote:
Chris Blunt wrote: On 28 Nov 2005 21:43:38 -0800, "Tchiowa" wrote: (sigh) It's not farangs selling to farangs. It doesn't matter that they are arriving without drugs in their pockets. The stoners are buying their drugs there, in Khao San Road, from Thai dealers. The same Thai that others in this thread are calling "normal, average, everyday Thai" which is a cruel insult to all of the normal, average everyday Thai. Don't be such an idiot. Nobody is referring to drug dealers as normal, average everyday people. The place is crawling with drug dealers. You are the one who referred to the Thai in Khao San Road as normal Thai. The ones I talked about were not drug-dealers, drug-takers or prostitutes. That's what I mean by "ordinary" Thai people. You made up this baseless claim that every Thai person in Khao San Road is either a prostitute or a drug dealer. And you are the one who keeps lying about what I said. Please show me where I said that every Thai person in Khao San Road is either a prostitute or a drug dealer. I didn't say it. The fact that you have now twice repeated the same lie implies that you're getting a tad desperate. You must be blind. Here it is for the third time: On 27 Nov 2005 21:17:22 -0800, "Tchiowa" wrote: "The only Thai you'll see on Khao San Road are those who are "on the game"." You are the only one to have insulted Thai people here, and you should be ashamed of yourself for it. The people there are what they are. Your assumption that all Thai people are like what you see in Khao San Road is an insult. You get drug dealers all over Thailand, Yes. in fact all over the world, Yes. no more and no less in Khao San Road. Absolutely wrong, and that's the point. The place is crawling with them. I've never seen any, and I've been there many times. Its only you (who never goes there) that "sees" these drug-dealers in your imagination. You get rich drug addicts and you get poor drug addicts. Wealthy superstars are just as likely to get involved in drugs as any other sector of society. If you don't like Khao San Road, just say so any leave it at that. I did. Then you (and a couple of others) jumped in and described is a heaven on earth, or close to it. You insulted all my Thai friends with your comments and you made ridiculous claims about what a wonderful socially fulfilling place it is. You expect anyone to let you leave those statements unchallenged???? I said I enjoyed the way ordinary (read non-drug taking/dealing) Thai people go there to enjoy themselves and mix with the tourists there. That's all I said. I don't believe any Thai people would be insulted by that. And by the way, all my Thai friends are insulted that you think they are prostitutes and drug-dealers. They've asked me to pass on the message to you that you're not welcome in their country with that kind of attitude. |
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"Tchiowa" kirjoitti glegroups.com... I understand what you're saying. But I don't think you show respect for Jews by ignoring it when a blatant racists like Markku makes the kinds of comments he has made here on this group. I think you show respect by fighting racists like him at every opportunity. You should be shot to death as soon as possible you yid bedouin. Your foreskin stinks. |
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"I see. So the stories in the newspapers about drug busts are fake? The
postings you see on Usenet telling people where to buy drugs in Thailand are illusions?" Everyone knows that two places you never try to buy drugs unless you want a long stay in the Bangkok Hilton are the Khao San Road and the Full Moon Party. Locals on the island with the Full Moon Party (Koh Phangan) get paid far more for turning a drug buyer in than they would get from actually selling drugs - I wouldn't be suprised if the same arrangement was true on the KSR. "The backpackers you see on Khao San Road were all born with blank expressions and eyes that can't focus and breath that smells like copper? It's a genetic thing? Grinding the backs of their teeth off is a religious rite? Ecstasy is just an emotion?" Lots of backpackers are on drugs a lot of the time, hence the look, but they sure don't get them there. If you just returned to Bangkok for your flight home after spending a month hanging around on beaches taking drugs, would you look sharp and focused? "The fact that an annoyingly high percentage of the backpackers there are, in fact, idiots is just one more reason to avoid the place." KSR is probably the broadest cross-section of backpackers you will find anywhere, both in terms of nationality and type of travellers. |
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"I didn't specifically comment on this during my response, but I've
been to Amsterdam many times. Most of it is quite nice. One of my favorite European cities. But the areas where the drug cafes are concentrated is in fact a cesspool." Hard drug dealers operate openly and aggressively on the streets of Amsterdam's Red Light District, and the police do nothing about it. And crazed hard drug addicts wander the streets at all hours harassing people, and the police also do nothing about that. That's why it's a cesspool. The marijuana cafes themselves and the backpackers they attract are not the problem. "Similarly Bangkok is not a cesspool. Far from it. But the areas where drugs are common are. And the reality is that Khao San Road is one of those areas." Bangkok's sex trade areas are cesspools. The rest of the city is not. The KSR is a harmless backpacker ghetto, even if it isn't the most authentic part of Thailand. |
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