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?How about 30 days in South Africa starting next month?
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"Corné" wrote: Anyway, I am not going to spend more time in reading your moral, patronising and most of all deformation of character posts. I think you'd better consider who exactly 'deformed' your character. Slainte Liz -- http://www.v-liz.com - Kenya; Tanzania; Namibia; India; Galapagos Photo Gallery: http://www.betterphoto.com/gallery/g...emberID=165111 |
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?How about 30 days in South Africa starting next month?
Well, he certainly provoked me out of my long silence. Catherine Now you see where a good discussion can lead to Funny by the way the comment from the author of this post: "Thanks for the advice. I have unpaid (slightly speeding) tickets from New Zealand, Mexico and a counrty in eastern europe." Keep well. Regards from hot Balule (38), thunderstorms are on their way. Corné. www.amukela.com |
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?How about 30 days in South Africa starting next month?
Corne,
I've never been one to shy away from a legitimate discussion/arguement but I don't usually like to let them degrade into a sort of pointless ****ing contest because I remember it all too well from the good old days of CB radio. "You tell me where you are good buddy, and I come over there and show you what's what!" etc. However, if you feel I have wronged you and would like your day in court, please feel free to excercise your constitutional right in terms of the laws of this country. Marc Lurie P.O. Box 28902 Sandringham 2131 Hmmm? A man admits to criminal acts on a public forum and then gets upset and wants to sue for deformation (sic) of character? "Corné" wrote in message ... I don't buy any of your arguments, and I am disappointed in your racist and patronising attitude. Too bad I don't have your adress, would immediately let my attorney sue you. Patronising is your nickame, isn't? Anyway, I am not going to spend more time in reading your moral, patronising and most of all deformation of character posts. PLOINK! |
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?How about 30 days in South Africa starting next month?
Hi Kurt,
I am also a little dissapointed at the lack of feedback from other regulars, but perhaps they are simply reading and making up their own minds. Perhaps some feel the same way as Corne? Thank you for voicing your support. Anyway, I vaguely remember having a run-in with Corne about a similar issue perhaps a year or two back. I think I'll try to do a bit of searching through the NG to see if I can find it. Cheers, Marc wrote in message oups.com... On Feb 11, 1:27 pm, "Corné" wrote: Marc, I have to say I'm disappointed at the overwhelming silence from the NG on this. Not only are you right on this matter, but I applaud you for making the point, and for taking the time to defend the point. By way of reference, this isn't the first time Corné has lost the plot in this NG. Kurt |
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?How about 30 days in South Africa starting next month?
Hi Catherine,
I forgot to respond to your post about rape because I was so angry after reading Corne's response, but I wanted to thank you for your support on this thread. The issue of rape and sexual abuse in South Africa is quite close to home for me as my girlfriend runs an NGO that does educational work, focussing mostly on teenage and pre-teen sexuality, primary health care, abuse and empowerment issues, and HIV awareness etc. Corne said that poverty isn't the only reason for the terrible rape statistics and I have to agree with him. In fact, poverty doesn't play ANY role in the prevalence of rape. The biggest contributor to the scourge is personal attitudes towards gender issues and sexuality. The strange paradox is that countries with traditionally the most puritanical mores (much of Africa and South America) are often those with the highest rates of abuse, and those with liberal or "immoral" mores (western Europe and Scandinavia) have the lowest rates of abuse. Women in sexually licentious Sweden can walk around in skimpy revealing clothing without fear of attack, but in conservative, god-fearing, highly moral Lesotho she would be in grave danger. More interesting is the fact that when asked why there is so much abuse happening in the country, most conservative, god-fearing, highly moral people blame the "moral decay" on things such as legalised same-sex marriage, legalised abortion, freely available condoms etc. All of this however, is really the subject of a completely different thread, so I'll leave it here. Regards, Marc "pecan" wrote in message ... Well, he certainly provoked me out of my long silence. Catherine -- == Not nuts, just a little eccentric == http://www.africanbush.co.za African Bush Tours and Safaris |
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?How about 30 days in South Africa starting next month?
Marc Lurie schreef:
You're quite correct. I am also distressed that there seems to be a lack of government willingness to tackle certain issues, and a lack of comprehension about the importance of solving certain problems. I am particularly disturbed by the culture of "entitlement" that has become far more aggresive than in the past, and I am very concerned that convicted CRIMINALS like Tony Yengeni and Shabir Sheik (and not-yet convicted criminals like Jacob Zuma) are being treated as virtual heroes or matyrs. Of course I agree with you. But it isn't just negligence by the government. What about the recent stir when FNB was "advised" by government officials not to fulfill their R20 million advertising campaign against crime? It isn't just that government seems to have other priorities. What is maybe even worse is that they do not accept criticism. Any critics (whether on fighting crime or fighting AIDS etc) are immediately labelled as counter productive or even racist. This way many people and businesses in South Africa are just afraid to speak out openly. Certainly businesses who need government contracts or just plain support (or even something as simple as a permit) are afraid to speak out because any criticism on the governement will be held against them. This is not a free, open and transparent democracy. And I don't think this is what Mandela had in mind in 1994. Regards, Hans |
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?How about 30 days in South Africa starting next month?
But it isn't just negligence by the government. What about the recent stir when FNB was "advised" by government officials not to fulfill their R20 million advertising campaign against crime? It isn't just that government seems to have other priorities. What is maybe even worse is that they do not accept criticism. Any critics (whether on fighting crime or fighting AIDS etc) are immediately labelled as counter productive or even racist. This way many people and businesses in South Africa are just afraid to speak out openly. Certainly businesses who need government contracts or just plain support (or even something as simple as a permit) are afraid to speak out because any criticism on the governement will be held against them. This is not a free, open and transparent democracy. And I don't think this is what Mandela had in mind in 1994. Regards, Hans Totally agree, this government has a big problem with criticism. SA struggles between a modern and western policy, and a traditional almost tribal African way. In my opinion SA will become more and more an African country, with one party (ANC). Democracy is an European way of life. Regards, Corné. www.amukela.com |
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?How about 30 days in South Africa starting next month?
"Liz Leyden" schreef in bericht ... In message "Corné" wrote: Anyway, I am not going to spend more time in reading your moral, patronising and most of all deformation of character posts. I think you'd better consider who exactly 'deformed' your character. Slainte Liz Hey Lizzie, long time no see. How are your projects going? Yes I know, speaking out of your heart is something which is not always appreciated, especially not when you're in bed with the BEE here in SA. But I stand for what I said, just adapting to the african culture Regards, Corné. www.amukela.com |
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?How about 30 days in South Africa starting next month?
What do you mean by "African culture" Corne? Do you mean a common culture
shared by all Africans from Algeria to Zimbabwe? If so, please elaborate, and please explain the commonalities of culture between Libyans and Liberians for example. (Or Angolans and Algerians, or Moroccans and Mozambiquans for that matter). You missed my point about Yoruba and Shona being as culturally different from each other as Finns and Belgians are, and my guess is that you will be unable to define a pan-African common culture. I put it to you that you are not "adapting to the african culture" as much as you are contributing to the breakdown of moral and ethical mores in your adoptive African country. "Corné" wrote in message ... SNIP But I stand for what I said, just adapting to the african culture Regards, Corné. www.amukela.com |
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