Tasers NEVER killed Anyone

Sorry people. It is illogical to believe in something without evidence.
It's true Richard Nixon and OJ Simpson did nothing wrong. The lack of
evidence proves this as does the fact the Tasers never killed any one.

Dziekanski's death not caused by Taser, says device maker

Taser International Inc. lashes out a media in statement released late
Friday, sends 60 legal letters demanding corrections to 'false and
misleading headlines'

Globe and Mail Update

The following statement, released late Friday, is attributed to Tom
Smith, founder and chairman of Arizona-based TASER International Inc.,
in response to the death of Robert Dziekanski at the Vancouver airport:

An amateur video of the incident that was released earlier this week has
received sensational coverage from the media with many reports drawing
an unsubstantiated and uninformed conclusion as to the cause of Mr.
Dziekanski's death.

This tragic incident appears to follow the pattern of many in-custody
deaths or deaths following a confrontation with police. Historically
medical science and forensic analysis has shown that these deaths are
attributable to other factors and not the low-energy electrical
discharge of the TASER. Specifically in Canada, while previous incidents
were widely reported in the media as 'TASER deaths,' the role of the
TASER device has been cleared in every case to date – including the
widely publicized Bagnell in-custody death in Vancouver where the TASER
device was cleared by an inquest jury.

Cardiac arrest caused by electrical current is immediate. The video of
the incident at the Vancouver airport indicates that the subject was
continuing to fight well after the TASER application. This continuing
struggle could not be possible if the subject died as a result of the
TASER device electrical current causing cardiac arrest. His continuing
struggle is proof that the TASER device was not the cause of his death.
Further, the video clearly shows symptoms of excited delirium, a
potentially fatal condition marked by symptoms of exhaustion and mania
such as heavy breathing, profuse sweating, confusion, disorientation and
violence toward inanimate objects.

We are taken aback by the number of media outlets that have
irresponsibly published conclusive headlines blaming the TASER device
and/or the law enforcement officers involved as the cause of death
before completion of the investigation. These sensationalistic media
reports completely ignore the earmark symptoms of excited delirium shown
in the video. TASER International is transmitting over 60 legal demand
letters requiring correction of these false and misleading headlines and
will take other actions as appropriate. These unsubstantiated, false
headlines mislead the public and could adversely influence public policy
in ways which could place the lives of both law enforcement and the
public at greater risk.

We all agree, it wasn't the Taser that killed him.

It was the idiot police officers that didn't follow their training and RCMP
protocol in dealing with suspects. It was tasing him twice, and 3 officers
kneeling on his back and neck, not letting him breathe.
It was the officers' refusal to administer First Aid.

They let him die, they could have saved him after they rendered him
unconscious.



"Taser Lover" wrote in message
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Sorry people. It is illogical to believe in something without evidence.
It's true Richard Nixon and OJ Simpson did nothing wrong. The lack of
evidence proves this as does the fact the Tasers never killed any one.

Dziekanski's death not caused by Taser, says device maker

Taser International Inc. lashes out a media in statement released late
Friday, sends 60 legal letters demanding corrections to 'false and
misleading headlines'

Globe and Mail Update

The following statement, released late Friday, is attributed to Tom
Smith, founder and chairman of Arizona-based TASER International Inc.,
in response to the death of Robert Dziekanski at the Vancouver airport:

An amateur video of the incident that was released earlier this week has
received sensational coverage from the media with many reports drawing
an unsubstantiated and uninformed conclusion as to the cause of Mr.
Dziekanski's death.

This tragic incident appears to follow the pattern of many in-custody
deaths or deaths following a confrontation with police. Historically
medical science and forensic analysis has shown that these deaths are
attributable to other factors and not the low-energy electrical
discharge of the TASER. Specifically in Canada, while previous incidents
were widely reported in the media as 'TASER deaths,' the role of the
TASER device has been cleared in every case to date – including the
widely publicized Bagnell in-custody death in Vancouver where the TASER
device was cleared by an inquest jury.

Cardiac arrest caused by electrical current is immediate. The video of
the incident at the Vancouver airport indicates that the subject was
continuing to fight well after the TASER application. This continuing
struggle could not be possible if the subject died as a result of the
TASER device electrical current causing cardiac arrest. His continuing
struggle is proof that the TASER device was not the cause of his death.
Further, the video clearly shows symptoms of excited delirium, a
potentially fatal condition marked by symptoms of exhaustion and mania
such as heavy breathing, profuse sweating, confusion, disorientation and
violence toward inanimate objects.

We are taken aback by the number of media outlets that have
irresponsibly published conclusive headlines blaming the TASER device
and/or the law enforcement officers involved as the cause of death
before completion of the investigation. These sensationalistic media
reports completely ignore the earmark symptoms of excited delirium shown
in the video. TASER International is transmitting over 60 legal demand
letters requiring correction of these false and misleading headlines and
will take other actions as appropriate. These unsubstantiated, false
headlines mislead the public and could adversely influence public policy
in ways which could place the lives of both law enforcement and the
public at greater risk.

"J.Robertson" wrote:

We all agree, it wasn't the Taser that killed him.

It was the idiot police officers that didn't follow their training and RCMP
protocol in dealing with suspects. It was tasing him twice, and 3 officers
kneeling on his back and neck, not letting him breathe.


Those officers acted exactly as they are trained to.

"Dave Smith" wrote in message
...
"J.Robertson" wrote:

We all agree, it wasn't the Taser that killed him.

It was the idiot police officers that didn't follow their training and
RCMP
protocol in dealing with suspects. It was tasing him twice, and 3
officers
kneeling on his back and neck, not letting him breathe.


Those officers acted exactly as they are trained to.


No they didn't.
Compare the RCMP official response guidelines to what the officers did. Not
even close.

"Dave Smith" wrote in message
...
: "J.Robertson" wrote:
:
: We all agree, it wasn't the Taser that killed him.
:
: It was the idiot police officers that didn't follow their training
and RCMP
: protocol in dealing with suspects. It was tasing him twice, and 3
officers
: kneeling on his back and neck, not letting him breathe.
:
:
: Those officers acted exactly as they are trained to.

Exactly, and you're an expert because you have gone through the RCMP
Training program and have received additional training in the use of the
taser. You also have the RCMP's IM manual memorized too.

"Rubbish" wrote in message
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"Dave Smith" wrote in message
...
: "J.Robertson" wrote:
:
: We all agree, it wasn't the Taser that killed him.
:
: It was the idiot police officers that didn't follow their training
and RCMP
: protocol in dealing with suspects. It was tasing him twice, and 3
officers
: kneeling on his back and neck, not letting him breathe.
:
:
: Those officers acted exactly as they are trained to.

Exactly, and you're an expert because you have gone through the RCMP
Training program and have received additional training in the use of the
taser. You also have the RCMP's IM manual memorized too.




Even the official training material the RCMP trotted out in defense of their
officers, is inconsistent (by a BIG margin) with what the 4 officers did.

They didn't assess the situation, they ignored witnesses, they did not first
try to calm him, didn't properly warn him, etc etc etc etc etc.

Cops from outside Canada (not subject to peer discipline here, therefore -
free to speak the truth not the official party line) say the officers didn't
follow procedure.
Lawyers in Canada, familiar with RCMP training and confrontation protocol,
say the officers didn't follow procedure.

The only people saying the officers acted properly, are the RCMP
spokespeople. And they are proven liars. They lied about the number of
officers there, the number of people in the terminal, the amount of time and
effort they spent trying to calm Robert, and their efforts to revive him.

Dave Smith aka "Cement Head" is an expert in his own mind. He
ignores the retired VPD remarks that 4 goons should never been involved.
He only believes what he wants to. It sounds like he's deliberately
baiting people here. The best thing to do is ignore him and run away
from those who share his abstract and bizzare reasoning skills. These
people are nothing but trouble.

"Dave Smith" wrote in message
...
: "J.Robertson" wrote:
:
: We all agree, it wasn't the Taser that killed him.
:
: It was the idiot police officers that didn't follow their training
and RCMP
: protocol in dealing with suspects. It was tasing him twice, and 3
officers
: kneeling on his back and neck, not letting him breathe.
:
:
: Those officers acted exactly as they are trained to.

On Nov 19, 5:11 pm, "J.Robertson" wrote:

We all agree, it wasn't the Taser that killed him.

Do we really know that for sure.
Quoted from CNN;

Since June 2001, more than 150 people have died in the United States
after being subdued with stun guns, according to Amnesty
International, which has called for police departments to suspend use
of the devices pending study of their possible risks.

Something to think about.


It was the idiot police officers that didn't follow their training and RCMP
protocol in dealing with suspects. It was tasing him twice, and 3 officers
kneeling on his back and neck, not letting him breathe.
It was the officers' refusal to administer First Aid.

They let him die, they could have saved him after they rendered him
unconscious.

"Taser Lover" wrote in message

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Sorry people. It is illogical to believe in something without evidence.
It's true Richard Nixon and OJ Simpson did nothing wrong. The lack of
evidence proves this as does the fact the Tasers never killed any one.

Dziekanski's death not caused by Taser, says device maker

Taser International Inc. lashes out a media in statement released late
Friday, sends 60 legal letters demanding corrections to 'false and
misleading headlines'

Globe and Mail Update

The following statement, released late Friday, is attributed to Tom
Smith, founder and chairman of Arizona-based TASER International Inc.,
in response to the death of Robert Dziekanski at the Vancouver airport:

An amateur video of the incident that was released earlier this week has
received sensational coverage from the media with many reports drawing
an unsubstantiated and uninformed conclusion as to the cause of Mr.
Dziekanski's death.

This tragic incident appears to follow the pattern of many in-custody
deaths or deaths following a confrontation with police. Historically
medical science and forensic analysis has shown that these deaths are
attributable to other factors and not the low-energy electrical
discharge of the TASER. Specifically in Canada, while previous incidents
were widely reported in the media as 'TASER deaths,' the role of the
TASER device has been cleared in every case to date - including the
widely publicized Bagnell in-custody death in Vancouver where the TASER
device was cleared by an inquest jury.

Cardiac arrest caused by electrical current is immediate. The video of
the incident at the Vancouver airport indicates that the subject was
continuing to fight well after the TASER application. This continuing
struggle could not be possible if the subject died as a result of the
TASER device electrical current causing cardiac arrest. His continuing
struggle is proof that the TASER device was not the cause of his death.
Further, the video clearly shows symptoms of excited delirium, a
potentially fatal condition marked by symptoms of exhaustion and mania
such as heavy breathing, profuse sweating, confusion, disorientation and
violence toward inanimate objects.

We are taken aback by the number of media outlets that have
irresponsibly published conclusive headlines blaming the TASER device
and/or the law enforcement officers involved as the cause of death
before completion of the investigation. These sensationalistic media
reports completely ignore the earmark symptoms of excited delirium shown
in the video. TASER International is transmitting over 60 legal demand
letters requiring correction of these false and misleading headlines and
will take other actions as appropriate. These unsubstantiated, false
headlines mislead the public and could adversely influence public policy
in ways which could place the lives of both law enforcement and the
public at greater risk.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Jim Davis wrote:
::
:: We all agree, it wasn't the Taser that killed him.
:
: Do we really know that for sure.
: Quoted from CNN;
:
: Since June 2001, more than 150 people have died in the United States
: after being subdued with stun guns, according to Amnesty
: International, which has called for police departments to suspend use
: of the devices pending study of their possible risks.
:
: Something to think about.

It was mentioned here before, it's not guns that kill people but people
who kill people. People are forgetting, largely because the
manufacturer of tasers says their use is safe AND because we trust the
cops to be using the right tools that these tasers are being routinely
used to as the first defense in the [name] of safety for the officers.
We erroneously assume the police know what is best for you and I.

People on radio/tv/email are praising law enforcement for doing a job
that nobody else wants to do. Therefore, using their philosphy and
logic, it's justifiable for the police to take any action THEY feel is
necessary to subdue someone, even murdering them. Afterall, the police
put their lives on the line every day. They should be allowed to do
WHATEVER they want, even if that "whatever" is criminal behavior. We
have to condone that behavior or action because these are cops. Thank
God only a minority of indivduals who have no logic feel this way.
Unfortunately, it will be those involved in the public inquiry that will
also condone the actions of these four cops.

As a result, not much will change, if anything when it comes to police
enforcement and the use of the taser. What will be recommended is
changes at YVR, but that's a federal issue not a local one.

"Taser Lover" wrote in message
news:nPn0j.11831$cD.3226@pd7urf2no...
Sorry people. It is illogical to believe in something without evidence.
It's true Richard Nixon and OJ Simpson did nothing wrong. The lack of
evidence proves this as does the fact the Tasers never killed any one.

Dziekanski's death not caused by Taser, says device maker

Taser International Inc. lashes out a media in statement released late
Friday, sends 60 legal letters demanding corrections to 'false and
misleading headlines'

Globe and Mail Update

The following statement, released late Friday, is attributed to Tom
Smith, founder and chairman of Arizona-based TASER International Inc.,
in response to the death of Robert Dziekanski at the Vancouver airport:

An amateur video of the incident that was released earlier this week has
received sensational coverage from the media with many reports drawing
an unsubstantiated and uninformed conclusion as to the cause of Mr.
Dziekanski's death.

This tragic incident appears to follow the pattern of many in-custody
deaths or deaths following a confrontation with police. Historically
medical science and forensic analysis has shown that these deaths are
attributable to other factors and not the low-energy electrical
discharge of the TASER. Specifically in Canada, while previous incidents
were widely reported in the media as 'TASER deaths,' the role of the
TASER device has been cleared in every case to date – including the
widely publicized Bagnell in-custody death in Vancouver where the TASER
device was cleared by an inquest jury.

Cardiac arrest caused by electrical current is immediate. The video of
the incident at the Vancouver airport indicates that the subject was
continuing to fight well after the TASER application. This continuing
struggle could not be possible if the subject died as a result of the
TASER device electrical current causing cardiac arrest. His continuing
struggle is proof that the TASER device was not the cause of his death.
Further, the video clearly shows symptoms of excited delirium, a
potentially fatal condition marked by symptoms of exhaustion and mania
such as heavy breathing, profuse sweating, confusion, disorientation and
violence toward inanimate objects.

We are taken aback by the number of media outlets that have
irresponsibly published conclusive headlines blaming the TASER device
and/or the law enforcement officers involved as the cause of death
before completion of the investigation. These sensationalistic media
reports completely ignore the earmark symptoms of excited delirium shown
in the video. TASER International is transmitting over 60 legal demand
letters requiring correction of these false and misleading headlines and
will take other actions as appropriate. These unsubstantiated, false
headlines mislead the public and could adversely influence public policy
in ways which could place the lives of both law enforcement and the
public at greater risk.


I beg to differ as does the coroner
..http://www.azcentral.com/arizonarepu...0730taser30.ht
http://www.azcentral.com/arizonarepu...30taser30.html

Getting tasered must be good for you, have someone shock you several times
and report back if you can.