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Eurostar generates ten times less CO2 than flying the same routes
Eurostar generates ten times less CO2 than flying the same routes
At Eurostar being green is important so we've commissioned some detailed research on the subject. Our findings show that passengers who fly between London, Paris and Brussels generate ten times more emissions of the greenhouse gas carbon dioxide (CO2) than travellers who go by rail. The research was carried out by a consortium of Paul Watkiss Associates and AEA Technology Environment. It uses detailed data on electricity supplies, power station emissions and transmission losses; Eurostar and airline load factors; and the range of aircraft and engine types and emissions. The figures are the most detailed ever produced and are based on actual passenger numbers, exact distances of rail and air routes, actual aircraft types in use on different routes, and the mix of electricity sources used by Eurostar trains. |
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Eurostar generates ten times less CO2 than flying the same routes
On Apr 3, 2:29 pm, Martin wrote:
On 3 Apr 2007 05:20:08 -0700, "ocelot" wrote: Eurostar generates ten times less CO2 than flying the same routes Taking into account the CO2 generated during manufacture of the rails, boring the tunnels and other mundane things that are for some reason are excluded? The amount of CO2 generated flying the same route is insignificant. -- Martin but since the tunnel is now built...... |
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Eurostar generates ten times less CO2 than flying the same routes
On Apr 3, 7:29 am, Martin wrote:
On 3 Apr 2007 05:20:08 -0700, "ocelot" wrote: Eurostar generates ten times less CO2 than flying the same routes Taking into account the CO2 generated during manufacture of the rails, boring the tunnels and other mundane things that are for some reason are excluded? The amount of CO2 generated flying the same route is insignificant. Manufacturing the rails and boring the tunnels is done once. The CO2 from flying versus rail is repeated thousands of times. Rail still comes out as far less polluting. |
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Eurostar generates ten times less CO2 than flying the same routes
lid (Martin) wrote in
: On 03 Apr 2007 13:36:56 GMT, Bert Hyman wrote: (Martin) wrote in m: On 3 Apr 2007 05:20:08 -0700, "ocelot" wrote: Eurostar generates ten times less CO2 than flying the same routes Is "ten times less" the same as "one tenth"? Taking into account the CO2 generated during manufacture of the rails, boring the tunnels and other mundane things that are for some reason are excluded? Presumably then, you've made the same accounting for the manufacture of the aircraft, the construction and maintenance of the airports and the extraction, distillation and transport of the fuel "and other mundane things that are for some reason [are] excluded"? er I'm not the one making silly claims for Eurostar. No, but you were the one asking whether certain external factors were taken into account in the determination of railway CO2 emissions; I was simply asking whether you want to make similar adjustments when talking about air travel. -- Bert Hyman | St. Paul, MN | |
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Eurostar generates ten times less CO2 than flying the same routes
On Apr 3, 3:47 pm, Bert Hyman wrote:
(Martin) wrote : On 03 Apr 2007 13:36:56 GMT, Bert Hyman wrote: (Martin) wrote in m: On 3 Apr 2007 05:20:08 -0700, "ocelot" wrote: Eurostar generates ten times less CO2 than flying the same routes Is "ten times less" the same as "one tenth"? Taking into account the CO2 generated during manufacture of the rails, boring the tunnels and other mundane things that are for some reason are excluded? Presumably then, you've made the same accounting for the manufacture of the aircraft, the construction and maintenance of the airports and the extraction, distillation and transport of the fuel "and other mundane things that are for some reason [are] excluded"? er I'm not the one making silly claims for Eurostar. No, but you were the one asking whether certain external factors were taken into account in the determination of railway CO2 emissions; I was simply asking whether you want to make similar adjustments when talking about air travel. -- Bert Hyman | St. Paul, MN | Martin is just being argumentative......again |
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Eurostar generates ten times less CO2 than flying the same routes
"Iceman" wrote in message ups.com... On Apr 3, 7:29 am, Martin wrote: On 3 Apr 2007 05:20:08 -0700, "ocelot" wrote: Eurostar generates ten times less CO2 than flying the same routes Taking into account the CO2 generated during manufacture of the rails, boring the tunnels and other mundane things that are for some reason are excluded? The amount of CO2 generated flying the same route is insignificant. Manufacturing the rails and boring the tunnels is done once. The CO2 from flying versus rail is repeated thousands of times. Rail still comes out as far less polluting. I'm all in favour of travelling by train, or even bus. However I have to travel from the North of England to India once or twice a year. Security at air-ports are so bad these days and so I've considered all the other possible options: Travelling by bus, except you can't travel to India by bus any more because the USA has turned a reasonable proportion of the intervening terrain into a war zone. Rail, there isn't one... The rail head in India stops somewhere around Jammu, Pakistan and Afghanistan aren't safe, Iran is no longer safe and you can't get a visa for the smaller 'Stans'... Plus India doesn't allow Europeans in Jammu and Kashmir so even if you could find a way round you can't get into the country Travelling by ship, except it's a 28 day journey and the shipping agencies charge about £50 ($100) a day. Heathrow is a hell hole run by morons with a security fixation, KLM loses your luggage so cutting Heathrow out and going via Holland from a UK provincial air-port is a non starter as well. Suggestions anyone? Because right now a seat on a Virgin Atlantic jet is about the best option there is for the environment... -- William Black I've seen things you people wouldn't believe. Barbeques on fire by the chalets past the castle headland I watched the gift shops glitter in the darkness off the Newborough gate All these moments will be lost in time, like icecream on the beach Time for tea. |
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Eurostar generates ten times less CO2 than flying the same routes
On Tue, 03 Apr 2007 15:41:08 +0200, Martin
wrote: On 3 Apr 2007 06:31:50 -0700, "Iceman" wrote: On Apr 3, 7:29 am, Martin wrote: On 3 Apr 2007 05:20:08 -0700, "ocelot" wrote: Eurostar generates ten times less CO2 than flying the same routes Taking into account the CO2 generated during manufacture of the rails, boring the tunnels and other mundane things that are for some reason are excluded? The amount of CO2 generated flying the same route is insignificant. Manufacturing the rails and boring the tunnels is done once. Not quite, rails are replaced from time to time. The CO2 from flying versus rail is repeated thousands of times. Rail still comes out as far less polluting. Cars come out as highly polluting, but nobody seems to compare travelling to Paris by car with flying there. Perhaps it should be done. -- ************* DAVE HATUNEN ) ************* * Tucson Arizona, out where the cacti grow * * My typos & mispellings are intentional copyright traps * |
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Eurostar generates ten times less CO2 than flying the same routes
"Hatunen" kirjoitti om... On Tue, 03 Apr 2007 15:41:08 +0200, Martin wrote: The CO2 from flying versus rail is repeated thousands of times. Rail still comes out as far less polluting. Cars come out as highly polluting, but nobody seems to compare travelling to Paris by car with flying there. Perhaps it should be done. What should be done? |
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