GGC2005 - Pre-Vote Announcement!!!

In article , Lloyd Parsons
wrote:

When I posted the call for bids, I literally expected only 2 TA's to
bid and I wasn't sure of one of them. That 4 TA's bid is amazing!

Well, that does not make me feel positive about going. And some of
those four TA's I don't feel inclined to book with no matter what. When
are these amazing bids going to be posted?

--
Charles

In article , Sue Keenan
wrote:

So how many times has Karen Wheelock posted on rtc?

The name sounds familiar. Why don't you do a google? I will.

--
Charles

In article , Sue Keenan
wrote:

Sue ---found no posts from Google Groups

Oop. I missed that!!!

--
Charles

In article , Charles
wrote:

In article , Lloyd Parsons
wrote:

When I posted the call for bids, I literally expected only 2 TA's to
bid and I wasn't sure of one of them. That 4 TA's bid is amazing!

Well, that does not make me feel positive about going. And some of
those four TA's I don't feel inclined to book with no matter what. When
are these amazing bids going to be posted?

If one of the ones you don't feel inclined to book with wins, then
don't book -- that's simple. But realistically, IMHO, if the product
is great and pricing superb, I won't care which TA gets it. If I don't
like them (I've not met but one of them), I can ignore them and just
enjoy the cruise and being with friends.

The bids will be posted ASAP. I just got email from my webmaster and
she is putting it together as I type. I would figure on tomorrow. I
think that we had said that posting and voting would commence on June
1st or there abouts.....

--
Lloyd

Carnival Tropicale 2000
GGC2002 Carnival Sensation
GGC2003 Golden Princess
GGC2004 Radiance of the Seas
GLC2005 Celebrity Millenium

-- "Sue Keenan" wrote in message
...

I don't recall seeing a post from you saying you lifted the following
requirements?

1. Be a participating member in RTC
2. Be a full-time travel agent
3. Be owner, principal or can get permission to commit the agency to a
contract.

Sue

--Paul Hoffman wrote:

Holy Crap, the process has barely started and already there is
dissension!
Good luck Lloyd.

Paul

Dissension???? Naw.

For the record, I questioned the previous GGC chairman too, but he just
didn't see my words he heard them. :-)

Sue

In article , Lloyd Parsons
wrote:

If one of the ones you don't feel inclined to book with wins, then
don't book -- that's simple. But realistically, IMHO, if the product
is great and pricing superb, I won't care which TA gets it. If I don't
like them (I've not met but one of them), I can ignore them and just
enjoy the cruise and being with friends.

Your way is one way of looking at it, but I care about who I do
business with, not just the pricing and package. I won't be inclined to
book with some of those agents that might win the bid no matter how
great the package.

--
Charles

I got Karen to join RTC almost 2 years ago. As well as GGC0000 Y-Group. I
know she answered someone's question on RTC. But that is beside the point.
She is a lurker and I intimidated her into participating in this Bidding
process. At the time I talked her into this, we had no firm commitments
from other TAs.

She has a great reputation here in Tulsa, OK and has loads of experience. I
thought that is what we want in a GGC TA?

If you have a problem with Karen, talk to me ... Don't insult her!

You wanted it and here it is Karen Wheelock's Resume:

World Travel Service has been in business for almost 50 years and is the
largest travel agency in Oklahoma. I, Karen Wheelock, have been an agent
for 17 years and a cruise group specialist for 10 years.



World Travel Service is a member of World Travel Partners, a member of the
GIANTS CONSORTIUM, a member of CLIA, a member of the Tulsa Chamber of
Commerce and a member of Executive Women International. I am sure there are
other memberships, but these are the ones that I can think of that may be
relevant.



I have assembled and escorted many groups, from just 5 cabins to 350 cabins.

I have worked with all the major cruise lines and have a great relationship
with Carnival, Celebrity, Royal Caribbean, Norwegian, Holland America Line,
Princess, Cunard, and Radisson Seven Seas.



"Sue Keenan" wrote in message
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Lloyd Parsons wrote:

In article , Sue Keenan
wrote:


Lloyd Parsons wrote:

In article , Lloyd Parsons
wrote:



In article , Sue Keenan
wrote:



Lloyd Parsons wrote:


Woo Hoo! Did we get some nice bids in. And your ggc2005 committee
has
been hard at work to decide what to put up for bid.

We got very nice responses from 4 Travel Agents, here they are (in
no
particular order)
Karen Wheelock of WorldTravel Services of Tulsa, OK.
Cal Ford who we all know from here
John Szeto who has been trying forever it seems.
Peter Berlin who everyone also knows.

We've got selection out the wazoo this year!

You want a Western Caribbean? We got 'em, in more than one flavor
How about a West Coast? It is there too
New ships? Yep, got 'em

Great selection from a bunch of excellent TA's.

Voting will commence as soon as the website is updated to show the
bids
selected for the vote. At that time we will also post the rules of
voting and how the results will be used if something doesn't pop up
as
the hands-down favorite.

So keep watching www.ggc2005.com for the news!

Lloyd

Tropicale 2000
Sensation GGC2002
Golden Princess GGC2003
Radiance of the Seas GGC2004
Celebrity Millenium GLC2005

So how many times has Karen Wheelock posted on rtc?


Sue ---found no posts from Google Groups

I have no idea, nor am I overly concerned with that and neither was
the
rest of the committee.

As you should know, it gets increasingly more difficult to get TA's
that will bid at all on the GGC's because of the flame level that
exists primarily here. When we posted for TA's to bid, she was one of
them.

Thanks for asking....

Lloyd


I got to thinking and maybe that answer is too short. Let me expand on
it.

When the committee was being formed and discussions started within the
committee, as well as the postings I made here about TA interest, the
responses were underwhelming to say the least. We felt that all too
many of the TA's that are here all the time would not bid, and we were
almost right.

I literally only knew of 2 TA's that would bid when I called for bids.
I had been on the phone to a number of TA's from RTC to try to recruit
them and had received not very encouraging conversations. I will not
say who I called, nor will I say what was discussed. But the
conversations led me and the committee to believe that the responses
would be minimal at best.

So we took the TA's that responded to the call for bids, and I thank
them for their responses and the hard work it took to do those bids in
the face of knowing that whoever wins (and maybe even doesn't win) will
take some flak from some here that get their jollies bitching.

All of that said, the bids that will be posted for voting are the ones
that are available for a GGC this coming year. We think they are
excellent bids, with a broad selection, much broader than in the past.
Soon it will be up to you as voters to decide which of these bids you
want. They will be identified as to who submitted so if that is a big
deal to you, you can factor that in.

Lloyd

I'm sure there are a lot of TAs that read rtc and don't post, but if
they didn't know the requirements had changed, how would they know to
ask for a rfb?

I don't recall seeing a post from you saying you lifted the following
requirements?

1. Be a participating member in RTC
2. Be a full-time travel agent
3. Be owner, principal or can get permission to commit the agency to a
contract.

Sue


Great 20/20 hindsight! G

All of this is true, but we did it the way we did it. In future
another committee may decide to do it differently. We like the results
and are not going to change anything at this stage of the game.

None of the previous committee's rules are required to be used at all.
I assume that all of the committee's have built on each other with
changes along the way. Actually, I know that is exactly how it has
been done.

We did ours our way because that seemed to be necessary as we were
seeing little positive feedback from anywhere about this GGC. I sure
saw and heard enough negative though!

Lloyd

LLoyd,

Those were your rules for GGC2005. At least they were when you posted
them on rtc earlier this year.

Would you please post some info about Karen Wheelock's experience as a TA?

Thanks,

Sue

To each his own, Charles.

The GGC is all about majority acceptance of the cruise bids, and everyone
here has the same opportunity to vote.

A personal word about Peter Berlin. Personally, I believe he handled some
situations badly last year, but his honesty and integrity is still intact.
In my opinion, hee DID deliver on all his promises on his bids for the past
2 GGCs.

I have been on all the GGCs since 2000 except 2001 and I believe all the TAs
have produced what they promised. Where have you been?

Tobieon an Island in the Pacific

"Charles" wrote in message
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In article , Lloyd Parsons
wrote:

If one of the ones you don't feel inclined to book with wins, then
don't book -- that's simple. But realistically, IMHO, if the product
is great and pricing superb, I won't care which TA gets it. If I don't
like them (I've not met but one of them), I can ignore them and just
enjoy the cruise and being with friends.

Your way is one way of looking at it, but I care about who I do
business with, not just the pricing and package. I won't be inclined to
book with some of those agents that might win the bid no matter how
great the package.

--
Charles

In article , SC posner
wrote:

If you have a problem with Karen, talk to me ... Don't insult her!

I don't think she was being insulted. We just want some references.
Which you kindly provided!!! Thank You.

--
Charles

From: "SC posner"
Date: 5/31/2004 7:24 PM Eastern Standard Time
Message-id:

I got Karen to join RTC almost 2 years ago. As well as GGC0000 Y-Group. I
know she answered someone's question on RTC. But that is beside the point.
She is a lurker and I intimidated her into participating in this Bidding
process. At the time I talked her into this, we had no firm commitments
from other TAs.

She has a great reputation here in Tulsa, OK and has loads of experience. I
thought that is what we want in a GGC TA?

If you have a problem with Karen, talk to me ... Don't insult her!

You wanted it and here it is Karen Wheelock's Resume:

World Travel Service has been in business for almost 50 years and is the
largest travel agency in Oklahoma. I, Karen Wheelock, have been an agent
for 17 years and a cruise group specialist for 10 years.



World Travel Service is a member of World Travel Partners, a member of the
GIANTS CONSORTIUM, a member of CLIA, a member of the Tulsa Chamber of
Commerce and a member of Executive Women International. I am sure there are
other memberships, but these are the ones that I can think of that may be
relevant.


Chip,
When I saw Tulsa, I thought of You and your Mom.

I looked up her agent site on the web.
Perhaps others should look further into it..

Congrats to Lloyd and the rest of the GGC2005 Committee for their hard work--so
far.

Steve in FLL-waiting to see the bids
GGC Committee member--GGC2002