New Ryanair web site

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On Feb 25, 8:40 pm, "tim \(not at home\)"
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Anyone tried it?

If that's an improvement, they woz robbed.

Ryanair's new web ****e is exactly that.

Gerry

"Mike......." wrote in message
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Following up to "tim \(not at home\)"
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If you do, the page is updated with the "real" price for the selected
flight
with all the pretend made up taxes displayed.

This part of the process takes "forever".

not another example of Ryan being less than 100% straightforward, I
cant believe it.

I really can't understand what possible benefit they think that they obtain
from doing it this way.

It isn't just Ryan Air who have the headline price in the main window with
all the taxes hidden away somewhere in a side box that is updated when you
select a flight - SAS do it as, IIRC do Flybe.

All that extra effort, to achieve what!?

I can understand what they achieved when they were allowed to keep all the
extras hidden until you were 99.8% of the way through the booking process.
But now that it has to be "on the screen" before you leave the first page
what is the advantage of separating it out from the "fare"?

Perhaps they think that by "pretending" it's a tax, people are going to
think "that scummy government is responsible for my flight having a 20 pound
fuel surcharge" and vote them out. But I don't see how that result helps
them either. And in any case, they could still have a pop up box for "see
all the pretend taxes here".

Tim

tim (not at home) wrote:

Anyone tried it?

If that's an improvement, they woz robbed.

Also, does it really obey the new rules? That is, the first price you
see is before taxes- only when you click on the flight do you see the
full price, albeit on the same page.

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onus is on them to show that there is anything there to talk about.
Otherwise they should just shut up about it." -Richard Dawkins

Martin wrote:

On Thu, 28 Feb 2008 07:20:51 +0000, (David Horne, _the_
chancellor (*)) wrote:

tim (not at home) wrote:

Anyone tried it?

If that's an improvement, they woz robbed.

Also, does it really obey the new rules? That is, the first price you
see is before taxes- only when you click on the flight do you see the
full price, albeit on the same page.

Perhaps Ryanair and others should look at the fines that the EU can and does
impose on companies that think they can ignore EU directives.

I was wondering if they were exploiting a loophole? They certainly would
if they could. They're desperate that people have that initial (before
tax) price in their heads.

Tangentially, I would have thought that their effective 'tax' on non-EEA
citizens (who can't check in online) would break some kind of
discrimination laws in the UK at least, if not the EU, but I'm not
sure...

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(email address on website) "If people think God is interesting, the
onus is on them to show that there is anything there to talk about.
Otherwise they should just shut up about it." -Richard Dawkins

Following up to (David Horne, _the_ chancellor
(*)) wrote:

Tangentially, I would have thought that their effective 'tax' on non-EEA
citizens (who can't check in online) would break some kind of
discrimination laws in the UK at least, if not the EU, but I'm not
sure...

is it so different from extra delivery charges to the Scottish
islands? Can discrimination be illegal unless it relates to one of the
defined areas, age, sex, race etc?
I think he should just be prosecuted for being a bit of an arse :-)
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Mike
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Mike....... wrote:

Following up to (David Horne, _the_ chancellor
(*)) wrote:

Tangentially, I would have thought that their effective 'tax' on non-EEA
citizens (who can't check in online) would break some kind of
discrimination laws in the UK at least, if not the EU, but I'm not
sure...

is it so different from extra delivery charges to the Scottish
islands?

Yes.

Can discrimination be illegal unless it relates to one of the
defined areas, age, sex, race etc?

It would be discrimination on the basis of nationality, which is illegal
in the UK.

--
(*) of the royal duchy of city south and deansgate -www.davidhorne.net
(email address on website) "If people think God is interesting, the
onus is on them to show that there is anything there to talk about.
Otherwise they should just shut up about it." -Richard Dawkins

Following up to (David Horne, _the_ chancellor
(*)) wrote:

is it so different from extra delivery charges to the Scottish
islands?

Yes.

Is it. Its a charge for an extra expense to the carrier.

Can discrimination be illegal unless it relates to one of the
defined areas, age, sex, race etc?

It would be discrimination on the basis of nationality, which is illegal
in the UK.

But is it discrimination? Ryan incur greater costs, its not their
fault those people cant do it online.
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Mike
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Martin wrote:

On Thu, 28 Feb 2008 12:23:57 +0000, (David Horne, _the_
chancellor (*)) wrote:

Mike....... wrote:

Following up to (David Horne, _the_ chancellor
(*)) wrote:

Tangentially, I would have thought that their effective 'tax' on non-EEA
citizens (who can't check in online) would break some kind of
discrimination laws in the UK at least, if not the EU, but I'm not
sure...

is it so different from extra delivery charges to the Scottish
islands?

Yes.

Can discrimination be illegal unless it relates to one of the
defined areas, age, sex, race etc?

It would be discrimination on the basis of nationality, which is illegal
in the UK.

Immigration policy is discrimination on the basis of nationality. There
must be more to it than that. )

I'll leave you to figure it out! My flight to Porto is leaving in
half an hour...

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(*) of the royal duchy of city south and deansgate -www.davidhorne.net
(email address on website) "If people think God is interesting, the
onus is on them to show that there is anything there to talk about.
Otherwise they should just shut up about it." -Richard Dawkins

Mike....... wrote:

Following up to (David Horne, _the_ chancellor
(*)) wrote:

is it so different from extra delivery charges to the Scottish
islands?

Yes.

Is it. Its a charge for an extra expense to the carrier.

If it's applied to everyone sending something there from the same place,
it's not a problem. What's generally considered 'fair' and what are
legal are not always the same.

Can discrimination be illegal unless it relates to one of the
defined areas, age, sex, race etc?

It would be discrimination on the basis of nationality, which is illegal
in the UK.

But is it discrimination? Ryan incur greater costs,
its not their
fault those people cant do it online.

It is. Other airlines let non-EEA passengers do it, and the burden is on
Ryanair to show that they incur unreasonable costs by allowing non-EEA
passengers. It would be 'easier' if non-EEA passengers were banned full
stop, actually...

--
(*) of the royal duchy of city south and deansgate -www.davidhorne.net
(email address on website) "If people think God is interesting, the
onus is on them to show that there is anything there to talk about.
Otherwise they should just shut up about it." -Richard Dawkins

Following up to (David Horne, _the_ chancellor
(*)) wrote:

Is it. Its a charge for an extra expense to the carrier.

If it's applied to everyone sending something there from the same place,
it's not a problem.

from any place usually, but some charge, some dont.

What's generally considered 'fair' and what are
legal are not always the same.

the latter is true

Can discrimination be illegal unless it relates to one of the
defined areas, age, sex, race etc?

It would be discrimination on the basis of nationality, which is illegal
in the UK.

But is it discrimination? Ryan incur greater costs,
its not their
fault those people cant do it online.

It is. Other airlines let non-EEA passengers do it,

Ah, that's different! You're saying it can be done technically, but
they choose not to?

and the burden is on
Ryanair to show that they incur unreasonable costs by allowing non-EEA
passengers.

I dont think they have to show an "unreasonable" cost, just a cost of
manual check in, as long as they charge it to all manual check ins,
not just non EEA. But if online *can* be done for non EEA, then I
think they are wrong, that's a relief, lets stuff that Ryan *******,
anyone for a test case?
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Mike
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