I'm Backing Down....

Following up to Tim Smith

That said, it is interesting that Italy, of all countries, seems to be
taking the lead in developing traffic-free zones, "slow cities" (and
"slow food"), and utilitarian bicycle riding. If you ever live there,
you'll understand why.

My take is that Italians are passionate about life, be it food or
Ferrari. If you want to eat well outside a restaurant you don't
need a car alongside but you do need fresh ingredients cooked
from scratch.
On the driving front I was rather surprised how inadequate for
the traffic the Italian roads I have used so far have been
(northern half) and how, lets say "spirited", Italian drivers
are.

For a city that's not car free but does not emphasise the car
there is of course Amsterdam.
But tourists tend to get an impression of city centres only.
People here in "travel" often say a car is useless in London. Of
course it is in the central few miles (unless you have tools or
bulky purchases to carry) but go to Totteridge, Bromley or
Richmond and you will see a different city, although still with
pretty reasonable public transport, especially if you want to go
to Central London
--
Mike Reid
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"Hawth Hill" wrote in message
...
in article , Miss L. Toe at
wrote on 07/05/2004 8:50 PM:

There are also lots of towns in the US that have banned motor traffic
in
their 'downtown' areas.

Which ones, just out of interest ?

Oh, jeez! Too many to name, and generally too small sized to be well
known.


It's just that Ive been to many small and mid-sized US towns and never
noticed it.

Maybe you could pick half a dozen and list them.

"Hawth Hill" wrote in message
...
in article , Miss L. Toe at
wrote on 07/05/2004 8:50 PM:

There are also lots of towns in the US that have banned motor traffic
in
their 'downtown' areas.

Which ones, just out of interest ?

Oh, jeez! Too many to name, and generally too small sized to be well
known.


It's just that Ive been to many small and mid-sized US towns and never
noticed it.

Maybe you could pick half a dozen and list them.

"Gomez Addams" wrote in message
...
All right. I have a confession to make. I was lying when I said that
all cities in North America, Europe, and around the world were going
car-free. The reason I did that is I wanted to see how you would all react
and I read these different websites that spouted car-free and
environmental
stuff. Stan SD and the other guy's threats to cause my family trouble and
a
friend that told me lying and imposing my bullcrap on others is wrong made
me see the light. Being a BS artist is a weakness I have. I admit no city
is
going to go car-free and the car-free movement is quite small. So I'll
leave
this newsgroup alone and I'll ask: What city is going car-free and are
there
any car-free cities being built anywhere in the world?


I've heard that most, if not all, harbors, waterways, ponds, lakes, and
fishin' holes in the US are "car-free". Underwater cars may be the
exception, but they are hard to count.

Thanks for the stimulating dialogue, now go back to your cellar apartment in
your mother's house.

"Gomez Addams" wrote in message
...
All right. I have a confession to make. I was lying when I said that
all cities in North America, Europe, and around the world were going
car-free. The reason I did that is I wanted to see how you would all react
and I read these different websites that spouted car-free and
environmental
stuff. Stan SD and the other guy's threats to cause my family trouble and
a
friend that told me lying and imposing my bullcrap on others is wrong made
me see the light. Being a BS artist is a weakness I have. I admit no city
is
going to go car-free and the car-free movement is quite small. So I'll
leave
this newsgroup alone and I'll ask: What city is going car-free and are
there
any car-free cities being built anywhere in the world?


I've heard that most, if not all, harbors, waterways, ponds, lakes, and
fishin' holes in the US are "car-free". Underwater cars may be the
exception, but they are hard to count.

Thanks for the stimulating dialogue, now go back to your cellar apartment in
your mother's house.

Hawth Hill wrote:

in article , Miss L. Toe at
wrote on 07/05/2004 8:50 PM:


There are also lots of towns in the US that have banned motor traffic in
their 'downtown' areas.

Which ones, just out of interest ?


Oh, jeez! Too many to name, and generally too small sized to be well known.

HH


Oh jeez! Can't name a single one, can you? Maybe you
should have checked your facts before making a statement
that you couldn't back up. Count on it! Count on lots
of towns in the US having bcnned motor traffic in their
'downtown' areas. Count on posters making unsupported
claims, and then trying to weasel away when those claims
are challenged. HH is Backing Down ...

Hawth Hill wrote:

in article , Miss L. Toe at
wrote on 07/05/2004 8:50 PM:


There are also lots of towns in the US that have banned motor traffic in
their 'downtown' areas.

Which ones, just out of interest ?


Oh, jeez! Too many to name, and generally too small sized to be well known.

HH


Oh jeez! Can't name a single one, can you? Maybe you
should have checked your facts before making a statement
that you couldn't back up. Count on it! Count on lots
of towns in the US having bcnned motor traffic in their
'downtown' areas. Count on posters making unsupported
claims, and then trying to weasel away when those claims
are challenged. HH is Backing Down ...

"Bob F." wrote in message
. ..
"Gomez Addams" wrote in message
...
All right. I have a confession to make. I was lying when I said
that
all cities in North America, Europe, and around the world were going
car-free. The reason I did that is I wanted to see how you would all
react
and I read these different websites that spouted car-free and
environmental
stuff. Stan SD and the other guy's threats to cause my family trouble
and
a
friend that told me lying and imposing my bullcrap on others is wrong
made
me see the light. Being a BS artist is a weakness I have. I admit no
city
is
going to go car-free and the car-free movement is quite small. So I'll
leave
this newsgroup alone and I'll ask: What city is going car-free and are
there
any car-free cities being built anywhere in the world?


I've heard that most, if not all, harbors, waterways, ponds, lakes, and
fishin' holes in the US are "car-free". Underwater cars may be the
exception, but they are hard to count.


You forgot about the Boston Duck tour :-)

"Bob F." wrote in message
. ..
"Gomez Addams" wrote in message
...
All right. I have a confession to make. I was lying when I said
that
all cities in North America, Europe, and around the world were going
car-free. The reason I did that is I wanted to see how you would all
react
and I read these different websites that spouted car-free and
environmental
stuff. Stan SD and the other guy's threats to cause my family trouble
and
a
friend that told me lying and imposing my bullcrap on others is wrong
made
me see the light. Being a BS artist is a weakness I have. I admit no
city
is
going to go car-free and the car-free movement is quite small. So I'll
leave
this newsgroup alone and I'll ask: What city is going car-free and are
there
any car-free cities being built anywhere in the world?


I've heard that most, if not all, harbors, waterways, ponds, lakes, and
fishin' holes in the US are "car-free". Underwater cars may be the
exception, but they are hard to count.


You forgot about the Boston Duck tour :-)

Hawth Hill wrote in message ...
in article , Thomas Peel at
wrote on 07/05/2004 6:05 PM:

Venice is car-free. Pedestrian zones with limited vehicle access are
common in Europe.

Not that it matters much from the standpoint of "travel", but just as a
point of interest.

There are also lots of towns in the US that have banned motor traffic in
their 'downtown' areas. In lots of small towns, what used to be "Main
Street" is now effectively just a shopping mall, having attractive gardens
and walkways where the streets used to be. All this in efforts to compete
against the actual shopping malls out on the edge of town.


Strangely enough, roughly the first city to do so, Kalamazoo, ripped up
it's pedestrian area and brought back the cars.