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"Charles" wrote in message d... In article , Karen Segboer wrote: At least, sailing out of Philly, you'd get to see the SS US. The best you'd get from Red Hook is a garbage barge and floating used condoms left behind by the "sidewalk hostesses." I don't think it will be so bad. My expectation is that they will sail up and around Governers Island then back down past the statue of Liberty. Probably depends on where the channel is. --Tom |
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"E.k.R." wrote in message . .. "Chrissy Cruiser" wrote in message ... Right now, Ernie, they ball is so far in their court they are making hay while the sun shines. And will continue to up prices, squeeze expenses until the pax stop increasing bookings. Exactly! And I recall reading many posts on r.t.c. about people actually looking forward to Carnival taking over Princess and getting bigger and bigger. Huge mistake IMO. Meanwhile, Carnival profits soar and soar. Great for Micky and the large stockholders. I remember quite a few people here at r.t.c. who wanted Mickey to take the Princess to the dance. Bye, bye (or should that be Buy, buy?) Princess. --Tom |
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"number6" wrote in message ups.com... FeAudrey wrote: You're not going to miss the Statue of Liberty; it's right opposite Red Hook. Not exactly ... the Statue is somewhat north west from Red Hook... You'll sail south and already be past it ... Bayonne's terminal is also past Lady Liberty on the way out of NY Harbor. I'm honestly very disappointed in both Carnival/Princes/Cunard and RCI/Celebrity not sailing from Manhattan any longer from a "sailing past the sights" perspective. Though I've tried getting away from the Manhattan terminals on a crowded day... and it's not pretty. I'm not sure there is any good solution. Maybe the only good solution (too late now) might have been sailing out of NJ from up in Hoboken (up by Ken G.). That way you'd still sail past all the great sights. Though the roads there couldn't support any additional traffic. --Tom |
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The Philadelphia Cruise Terminal is a newly renovated historic
structure, with lots of parking, in a totally safe and secure area of the former Philadelphia Navy Yard. It is readily accessible, in minutes, via a direct and attractive interstate highway from the Philadelphia International Airport [in fact, just over the I-95 bridge] as well as from Center City (i.e., Downtown) and the AMTRAK station. Don't knock it if you haven't tried it [and don't compare the existing/proven Philadelphia facility to a forthcoming unknown pier rehabilitation in a remote, not readily accessible and unsafe area of Brooklyn]! Even W. C. Fields would prefer cruising from/to Philadelphia over sailing from/to Brooklyn! |
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E.k.R. wrote:
Nothing like getting car jacked on your way to drop off luggage for that special QM2 crossing! Sometimes I think Carnival has their head up their ass. I wonder sometimes if they ever consider the impact some of their decisions have on the customer, rather than just the bottom line. Thanks for saying that, Ernie. I'm glad there are some in the industry that will speak out for the impact of a company's decisions on the customer outside of the bottom line. NYC rebuilt Yankee Stadium, turned Times Square around, the lower East side, and could turn the NYC piers into something state of the art while keeping a certain timeless style about it. Red Hook may become chic one day, but it isn't Manhattan. There's only one Manhattan. Ben S. Ernie |
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On Sat, 16 Apr 2005 05:21:16 GMT, Benjamin Smith
wrote: Thanks for saying that, Ernie. I'm glad there are some in the industry that will speak out for the impact of a company's decisions on the customer outside of the bottom line. Hi Ben, I could be wrong but I don't think Ernie is part of the cruise industry unless he now flys on a sea-plane. vbg Best regards, Ray LIGHTHOUSE TRAVEL 800-719-9917 or 805-566-3905 http://www.lighthousetravel.com |
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"Sue and Kevin Mullen" wrote in message ... Ray Goldenberg wrote: This move will relieve the congestion at the Manhattan cruise piers. Yeah, it will relieve the congestion in Manhattan, but for those of us coming from New Jersey, it is going to be a pain getting there. The route we will have to take is usually congested no matter what time of the day you are there. sue Granted my New York geography is a bit lacking, but I pulled up maps of the area where the Brooklyn cruise ship terminal will be. If I am reading this right, it will be at Atlantic Ave. and Columbia St., right off exit 27 of the BQE (I-278). Folks from New Jersey can take I-278 across Staten Island and the Verazano Narrows bridge, and end up going directly to the terminal, unless traffic gets real fun at the Brooklyn Battery Tunnel (I-478) right there. Now, if you are coming from the north, you could take I-95 across the George Washington Bridge, pick up the Deegan Expressway (I-87) south to the Grand Central Parkway (I-278) towards LaGuardia (is that the Tri-Borough Bridge?), and follow I-278 as it becomes the BQE. Now, you New Yorkers, please tell me what is wrong with these directions. -- I'm Tom Smith, and I approved this message. |
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"Sue and Kevin Mullen" wrote in message ... Ray Goldenberg wrote: This move will relieve the congestion at the Manhattan cruise piers. Yeah, it will relieve the congestion in Manhattan, but for those of us coming from New Jersey, it is going to be a pain getting there. The route we will have to take is usually congested no matter what time of the day you are there. sue Granted my New York geography is a bit lacking, but I pulled up maps of the area where the Brooklyn cruise ship terminal will be. If I am reading this right, it will be at Atlantic Ave. and Columbia St., right off exit 27 of the BQE (I-278). Folks from New Jersey can take I-278 across Staten Island and the Verazano Narrows bridge, and end up going directly to the terminal, unless traffic gets real fun at the Brooklyn Battery Tunnel (I-478) right there. Now, if you are coming from the north, you could take I-95 across the George Washington Bridge, pick up the Deegan Expressway (I-87) south to the Grand Central Parkway (I-278) towards LaGuardia (is that the Tri-Borough Bridge?), and follow I-278 as it becomes the BQE. Now, you New Yorkers, please tell me what is wrong with these directions. -- I'm Tom Smith, and I approved this message. |
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George Leppla wrote:
"shoreguy" wrote That's a shame. Part of the wonder of cruising to or from NYC is that trip past the Statue of Liberty and up the Hudson to midtown. I still remember the first time. Many of the crew gathered on the bow and were as overwhelmed as we were. The "shame" lies in the fact that for years and years, New York City refused to spend any money to provide cruise passengers with proper facilities. I have been in many ports and in my opinion, the cruise ship terminals in New York were the worst managed permanent facilities I have ever seen. NYC is interested in getting the Olympics in 2012 and finding something to do with the train yards on the West side. The shame I see is not recognizing the whole allure by various parties to those visiting the city via ship, at a time when cruise ship travel is expanding. Did you see the NYC subways in the 1970s? or Times Square? or Bryant Park? There are a number of public facilities that were in disrepair or obsolete the city turned around, after years of neglect. The facilities would be easy. The problem I see is 12th Avenue. Royal Caribbean had the right idea by moving to New Jersey. Carnival Corp is heading to Brooklyn and that may be an improvement depending on how they develop the terminal, parking and access. I have visions of Red Hook becoming just another traffic jam. I don't know about right idea, it is an idea that makes business sense. But, they also could have recognized the allure of cruising into the center of Manhattan and campaigned with proposals on how to improve it. Passengers and crew are in the heart of the city when cruising into and from NYC piers, only a few avenues away from it. That's a good thing for both. NCL based a ship year round in NYC. It's working out well. With much fewer sailings out of Manhattan, maybe the Port Authority will finally be able to handle what little they have left. There are always issues of coordination in NYC. I think most pax feel that keeping the ships in Manhattan would be worth it. But it just isn't that big a priority for the players involved to do so. Ben S. |
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George Leppla wrote:
"shoreguy" wrote That's a shame. Part of the wonder of cruising to or from NYC is that trip past the Statue of Liberty and up the Hudson to midtown. I still remember the first time. Many of the crew gathered on the bow and were as overwhelmed as we were. The "shame" lies in the fact that for years and years, New York City refused to spend any money to provide cruise passengers with proper facilities. I have been in many ports and in my opinion, the cruise ship terminals in New York were the worst managed permanent facilities I have ever seen. NYC is interested in getting the Olympics in 2012 and finding something to do with the train yards on the West side. The shame I see is not recognizing the whole allure by various parties to those visiting the city via ship, at a time when cruise ship travel is expanding. Did you see the NYC subways in the 1970s? or Times Square? or Bryant Park? There are a number of public facilities that were in disrepair or obsolete the city turned around, after years of neglect. The facilities would be easy. The problem I see is 12th Avenue. Royal Caribbean had the right idea by moving to New Jersey. Carnival Corp is heading to Brooklyn and that may be an improvement depending on how they develop the terminal, parking and access. I have visions of Red Hook becoming just another traffic jam. I don't know about right idea, it is an idea that makes business sense. But, they also could have recognized the allure of cruising into the center of Manhattan and campaigned with proposals on how to improve it. Passengers and crew are in the heart of the city when cruising into and from NYC piers, only a few avenues away from it. That's a good thing for both. NCL based a ship year round in NYC. It's working out well. With much fewer sailings out of Manhattan, maybe the Port Authority will finally be able to handle what little they have left. There are always issues of coordination in NYC. I think most pax feel that keeping the ships in Manhattan would be worth it. But it just isn't that big a priority for the players involved to do so. Ben S. |
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