American dollars is plunging: NO MORE TRAVEL!

On Sat, 27 Dec 2003 00:28:03 +0000, pmlt
wrote:

On Fri, 26 Dec 2003 19:26:12 -0500, nobody wrote:


There is also a difference between having school and curricula which is
secular, and prohibiting students from dressing as they wish.

I didn't say I was for that law.

former home. The proposed french law is essentially an attempt at finding some
legal loophole that would allow the french government to find a way to force
immigrants from middle east to adapt to French culture and customs.


Among other factors that is the biggest one. In one word, integration.


Integration? In France? Now that's a real laugh. There whole system
is based on everyone there following their concept of what a Frenchman
is. They're hypocritical about everything else, but not this. Just
follow the nuts trying to purify the French language.

On Fri, 26 Dec 2003 19:56:30 -0500, wrote:

It's a very long period then, because Germany has been in the doldrums
for several years (though not as long as Japan). European growth
overall has been much lower than in the US over more than the last
decade. Ours last 1 to 2 years at the most. Hardly comparable.


So basically you've re-written your argument. Fair enough. You are in
fact right in the idea that the US has been growing a lot more than
Europe, since the early 90's. That has been the reason for a lot of
discussion in all the European countries about what should be our
growth and society model. Fact is, the USA is beating Europe both in
economic power/growth and in social problems. Europe wants the first
one without endangering the latter.


Longer working hours means worse quality of life. That's something
taken very seriously over here.

Your lack of productivity and a low work ethic are, among other
reasons, why European countries can't begin to pay for their pensions,
which are being cut all over the place. You call that a better
quality of life? Then tell me why all those French and Italians are
demonstrating against the cuts then? You think there is a free lunch?


There is no such thing as a free lunch. That is EXACTLY why longer
working hours mean worse quality of life.

What you miss here once again is that "Europe" is a group of many
different countries. There are several with a bigger hourly
productivity than the US and others that don't reach it.

http://europa.eu.int/comm/eurostat/P...&mode=download


Learn a bit more before saying that working less hours is the reason
why European countries in general will have in the future difficulties
to pay for the pensions (which are in fact not bad at all!). Learn
about the quality of the pensions in most of the European countries
(not all), the aging population, and then you'll start to know the
reasons behind it.



Give us all the ones that have averaged less than the US rate over the
last decade.

That wasn't the question. Are you changing the questions to meet your
objectives?


then go read about what is going on right now in France.

I don't have to read to know about it, my almost-wife is French and I
have access to the French news and reality other than by just reading.


This edict
is very clear: get rid of your scarf or stay out of school. Period.

Long decade-long discussion that is not close to an end.


This is a classic case of the French treating unequal cases equally
then trying to pontificate about equality.

Wow, a "Classic"? I wonder what a Classic is!


This case has
been all over the news and was started about two young girls trying to
wear their scarves.

Actually there are more than 2 girls envolved.
Anyway I'm not going to argue regarding this subject as I don't agree
with prohibiting such kind of things in public schools. But I will
never say that this is because the French are not democratic
whatsoever.

As for instance I don't agree with prohibiting people to smoke in
public spaces even though I hate the smoke.

alohacyberian wrote:

To blame someone else's inborn envy of the U.S. and America-hatred on
President Bush is laughable. Sorry things look so bad for your candidate. KM

Sorry, but your adolescent chest-thumping is unconvincing.

I suppose if you objected to my hitting you with a baseball bat,
I should claim that you just don't like me because I'm from Detroit.

Grow up and get some brains.

"Runge" wrote in message ...
That's great news for others !
I'm buying $$ right now in case it goes up again (it will one day...AFTER
bush)


Might take a while to undo the damage SHRUB and the GOP has done.
Look at what happened in California.

The Jarvis people banned increases in property taxes with Prop 13.
Because of Prop 13, local governments became reliant on income taxes
and sales taxes. This has apparently made the state and county
exceedingly susceptible to swings in the stock market because many
people in the S.F. Bay Area area are "wealthy" because of stock
options, not because of cold hard cash.

Normally, this would not be a problem...except that Californians like
social services, good living conditions, e.g. unpolluted waters,
access to wilderness, etc. AND are unwilling to pay for these goodies.

So...because of the legacy of Pete Wilson and numerous Republican
governors, there was a plan to de-regulate electricity. Then, Enron
and the energy companies decided they want to make a fast buck. And
so California had rolling blackouts...everyone's screaming we want
stable energy supply. So Gray Davis and the Democrats did the best
they could...Gray Davis managed to get re-elected.

A month after he got re-elected, a bunch of Republicans got together
and said we can take him down. Let's get someone else instead.

Sooo...Darrell Issa pulled out his checkbook and hired a bunch of
people who got paid according to the number of signatures they got
for the recall. Arnie, deciding how nice it would be if he could do a
Ronald Reagan, got into the race...avoided talking about issues and
became GOVERNOR.

The moral of the story is: you don't have to know anything; just avoid
talking about issues--lie if you have to...give a good show...show
people how nice you are and make them want to be your friend and
you'll be elected to public office.

The Americans who voted for SHRUB and the rest of the GOP crew deserve
everything that's been happening. As for those of us who didn't vote
for them, there will be tomorrow and tomorrow is another day.

Lil

On Sat, 27 Dec 2003 00:49:41 +0000, Vitaly Shmatikov wrote:

In article ,
alohacyberian wrote:

Sjoerd, you are an America-basher from way back as are most Communists.

This is obviously true, but you've got to feel sorry for Sjoerd. He has
been brainwashed by European mass media and reduced to regurgitating
the same old lies about America that he gets from newspapers and TV.
On the other hand, having been to America, he is aware of the
truth at some level, which is why he is so desperately envious of
American freedom and quality of life. The result is his peculiar
love-hate relationship with America, half jealousy, half resentment.
Quite amusing to watch, really.

Pot, kettle...

On Fri, 26 Dec 2003 10:59:19 -0500 in rec.travel.air,
wrote:

Sure, that's why the US economy consistenly outperforms the Europeans
ones almost without exception. Single digit unemployment, low
inflation, etc. Hardly the case in Europe except for liars like you.

not under bush and other repugnican voodoo economists! only
under democrats does unemployment go down and the stock market go
up, so stop lying about what repugnicans do, because they don't.

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"We live in the country, but we ain't stupid. We know that
Democrats work for a living and Repugnicans make a living off
of people who work." --- Jan Flora
Dennis P. Harris
http://www.ejuneau.net

"Vitaly Shmatikov" wrote in message
...
In article ,
alohacyberian wrote:

Sjoerd, you are an America-basher from way back as are most Communists.

This is obviously true, but you've got to feel sorry for Sjoerd. He has
been brainwashed by European mass media and reduced to regurgitating
the same old lies about America that he gets from newspapers and TV.
On the other hand, having been to America, he is aware of the
truth at some level, which is why he is so desperately envious of
American freedom and quality of life. The result is his peculiar
love-hate relationship with America, half jealousy, half resentment.
Quite amusing to watch, really.

Very well stated and oh, so true. KM
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"nobody" wrote in message
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wrote:
And sure we should have listened to them. Then Saddam would still be
in power rather than prison, killing 100,000 or so a year.

While it is quite evident that Hussein had performed terrible acts in the
past, it was not evident that those acts were continuing.

Look at Bliar's new darling: Khadafi. He also has performed terrible acts
in
the past, but just because he decided to announce he wouldn't be a
terrorist
anymore, the world would be ready to conveniently forget his past crimes ?

Interesting that Hussein had complied with UN mandated destruction of WMD,
but
the USA still wanted to invade, while Lybia was still working on them and
nobody was talking about invading Lybia.

There is no getting around it, Khadafi has mellowed with age, though he was
never guilty of the atrocities of Saddam Hussein. To compare Hussein with
Khadafi is just plain laughable. The reason Iraq was invaded and there is no
talk of invading Libya is simply because Iraq was guilty of breaking United
Nations enforceable resolutions; Libya is not. Iraq was not in compliance
with the Safwan Accords which called for invasion in the event of
non-compliance; Libya has signed no such document. Petty simple, huh? KM

"Lil" wrote in message
om...
"Runge" wrote in message
...
That's great news for others !
I'm buying $$ right now in case it goes up again (it will one day...AFTER
bush)

Might take a while to undo the damage SHRUB and the GOP has done.
Look at what happened in California.


When you wretch up that sort of puerile name-calling it only illustrates that
your position is weak and your words shouldn't be taken seriously. KM
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"Vitaly Shmatikov" schreef in bericht
...
In article ,
alohacyberian wrote:

Sjoerd, you are an America-basher from way back as are most Communists.

This is obviously true, but you've got to feel sorry for Sjoerd. He has
been brainwashed by European mass media and reduced to regurgitating
the same old lies about America that he gets from newspapers and TV.
On the other hand, having been to America, he is aware of the
truth at some level, which is why he is so desperately envious of
American freedom and quality of life. The result is his peculiar
love-hate relationship with America, half jealousy, half resentment.
Quite amusing to watch, really.

So funny. First, the old brainwashed argument again. Ha! I read newspapers
and magazines from many countries (including the US) regularly, I watch TV
from many countries (including the USA) regularly, but no, Mr. Vitaly
insists that if I don't watch AND believe FOX news that I am brainwashed. So
funny.
Secondly, the old jealousy argument again. How arrogant can you be, Vitaly?
I have repeatedly stated that I have more freedoms here than I could ever
have in the USA. Heck, I wouldn't even be allowed to live with my partner of
more than 9 years in the US.
Open your eyes, Vitaly, and see that there is a huge world outside the USA.
The US is *not* "the best country in the world", as you have been
indoctrinated to believe.

Sjoerd