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Old December 30th, 2004, 06:40 PM
Lorzling
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AJC wrote:

On Thu, 30 Dec 2004 11:39:29 -0500, nobody wrote:

Where the airline should be held responsible is in using some inadequate
airfield. They could have diverted to Portland, Victoria or Vancouver and not
wait until they had runned out of fuel and needing to land at the nearest
piece of runway they could find.

In fact, in hindsight, they would have been better off landing at vancouver
and busing passengers to seattle, or land at victoria and hop on the ferry to seattle.

Surely this wasn't the only intl flight coming into Seattle ? How di dother
flights get handled ?



I believe one issue is that it was a DC10 and therefore unable to land
when other better equipped aircraft could have done. From what I've
read elsewhere, if it had been one of NW's new A330s they could have
landed at SEA.

But that still doesn't explain why they couldn't have landed at an
airport equipped to deal with the customs issues. PDX had gorgeous
weather that day. They could have landed there.
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Old December 30th, 2004, 06:45 PM
Larry R Harrison Jr
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"Lorzling" wrote in message
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But that still doesn't explain why they couldn't have landed at an airport
equipped to deal with the customs issues. PDX had gorgeous weather that
day. They could have landed there.


Exactly. The point is to get people to their point, then let them off.
Period. Take care of it, whatever it takes. If people want to pay for the
privelage of being kidnapped, they could fly to the Middle East and
volunteer for the privelage.


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Old December 30th, 2004, 06:45 PM
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"Lorzling" wrote in message
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But that still doesn't explain why they couldn't have landed at an airport
equipped to deal with the customs issues. PDX had gorgeous weather that
day. They could have landed there.


Exactly. The point is to get people to their point, then let them off.
Period. Take care of it, whatever it takes. If people want to pay for the
privelage of being kidnapped, they could fly to the Middle East and
volunteer for the privelage.


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Old December 30th, 2004, 09:31 PM
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I wonder if the emergency slides will have been disengaged, if so the
jump from a DC10 door to the ground would most likely lead to
broken bones. In any case don't forget this happened in the US. With
the state of nervousness there, the likely presence of armed air
marshalls
on the aircraft, and almost certainly the presence of armed police on
the ground, opening a door and jumping out could well be the last
action you took.
--==++AJC++==--


And that would be KIDNAPPING. To not allow me to leave unless I'm
under questioning for having committed a crime, or I'm under oath in
court giving crucial testimony, or I'm at work performing a delicate life-
dependent type of occupation, those things excepted--to not allow me to
leave is flat-out KIDNAPPING, I don't care what the law says.
How can we get this changed?


You are hopelessly naive. Try reading the actual text of the Patriot Act.
Your government now has the right to declare anyone - including USA
citizens - as an enemy, and therefore to send them to Cuba or any-
where else it deems necessary. AJC is right. Before the Patriot Act
was passed, you would simply have been arrested and charged with
some minor federal offense. Now you just might be incommunicado
for years.


Casey


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Old December 30th, 2004, 09:31 PM
Casey
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I wonder if the emergency slides will have been disengaged, if so the
jump from a DC10 door to the ground would most likely lead to
broken bones. In any case don't forget this happened in the US. With
the state of nervousness there, the likely presence of armed air
marshalls
on the aircraft, and almost certainly the presence of armed police on
the ground, opening a door and jumping out could well be the last
action you took.
--==++AJC++==--


And that would be KIDNAPPING. To not allow me to leave unless I'm
under questioning for having committed a crime, or I'm under oath in
court giving crucial testimony, or I'm at work performing a delicate life-
dependent type of occupation, those things excepted--to not allow me to
leave is flat-out KIDNAPPING, I don't care what the law says.
How can we get this changed?


You are hopelessly naive. Try reading the actual text of the Patriot Act.
Your government now has the right to declare anyone - including USA
citizens - as an enemy, and therefore to send them to Cuba or any-
where else it deems necessary. AJC is right. Before the Patriot Act
was passed, you would simply have been arrested and charged with
some minor federal offense. Now you just might be incommunicado
for years.


Casey


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Old December 30th, 2004, 10:09 PM
Larry R Harrison Jr
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"Casey" wrote in message
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Before the Patriot Act
was passed, you would simply have been arrested and charged with
some minor federal offense.


And I'm arguing that even THAT shouldn't happen, Patriot Act or no. Since
when is getting off a plane which has landed where you're headed such a huge
offense? If so, this country went to hell in a handbasket LONG before the
Patriot Act.

LRH


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Old December 30th, 2004, 10:09 PM
Larry R Harrison Jr
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"Casey" wrote in message
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Before the Patriot Act
was passed, you would simply have been arrested and charged with
some minor federal offense.


And I'm arguing that even THAT shouldn't happen, Patriot Act or no. Since
when is getting off a plane which has landed where you're headed such a huge
offense? If so, this country went to hell in a handbasket LONG before the
Patriot Act.

LRH


  #18  
Old December 30th, 2004, 10:09 PM
Larry R Harrison Jr
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"Casey" wrote in message
link.net...

Before the Patriot Act
was passed, you would simply have been arrested and charged with
some minor federal offense.


And I'm arguing that even THAT shouldn't happen, Patriot Act or no. Since
when is getting off a plane which has landed where you're headed such a huge
offense? If so, this country went to hell in a handbasket LONG before the
Patriot Act.

LRH


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Old December 30th, 2004, 11:33 PM
nobody
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Larry R Harrison Jr wrote:
And I'm arguing that even THAT shouldn't happen, Patriot Act or no. Since
when is getting off a plane which has landed where you're headed such a huge
offense? If so, this country went to hell in a handbasket LONG before the
Patriot Act.


A plane coming from another country must be kept sterile and not allow any
passengers or cargo from reaching landside without first clearing customs/immigration.

If the local airfield's facilities cannot garantee sterility, then the
aircraft remains the only sterile/secure facility as long as the doors are
kept closed so that nobody can escape.

Providing a secure area isn't very hard. But it takes someone who has
authority to set this up.
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Old December 30th, 2004, 11:33 PM
nobody
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Larry R Harrison Jr wrote:
And I'm arguing that even THAT shouldn't happen, Patriot Act or no. Since
when is getting off a plane which has landed where you're headed such a huge
offense? If so, this country went to hell in a handbasket LONG before the
Patriot Act.


A plane coming from another country must be kept sterile and not allow any
passengers or cargo from reaching landside without first clearing customs/immigration.

If the local airfield's facilities cannot garantee sterility, then the
aircraft remains the only sterile/secure facility as long as the doors are
kept closed so that nobody can escape.

Providing a secure area isn't very hard. But it takes someone who has
authority to set this up.
 




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